George Foreman and the Toronto Five

[yancey]

Does anybody remember this event?

Man, talk about bizarre.

Ali was at ringside, and was at his worst, literally driving Foreman nearly insane with his taunts. Foreman at one point starting dancing around the ring trying to imitate Ali, then slipped and fell.

Cosell could be heard whispering to Ali to tone it down because Foreman was really close to losing it.

I wonder whatever happen to the Toronto Five?

[Goodnight, Irene]

I watched it.

It was bizarre, alright.

[yancey]

I watched it.

It was bizarre, alright.

I glanced at it a bit tonight on youtube and was surprised to see that Terry Daniels was opponent #3. Didn't remember that.

Ali really worked on George that day, at a time when George was obviously in a bad mental state.

Man, I hate cruelty.

[BoxBuzz]

yancey....there is a universal constant that I buy into that may help you feel better.

ALL cruelty exported will be matched with incoming. Life is long, and some will say you can't escape this truth even by taking an early train toward your last breath. It will all be balanced. Nobody's gettin' away with anything.

[yancey]

yancey....there is a universal constant that I buy into that may help you feel better.

ALL cruelty exported will be matched with incoming. Life is long, and some will say you can't escape this truth even by taking an early train toward your last breath. It will all be balanced. Nobody's gettin' away with anything.

Wise words and something for all of us to think about.

I know I would like to do some things over.

[scallum]

yancey....there is a universal constant that I buy into that may help you feel better.

ALL cruelty exported will be matched with incoming. Life is long, and some will say you can't escape this truth even by taking an early train toward your last breath. It will all be balanced. Nobody's gettin' away with anything.

I like this concept but sum barbaric and inhumane acts like those of hitler or truman can never be balanced

[Totybear]

[quote

ALL cruelty exported will be matched with incoming. Life is long, and some will say you can't escape this truth even by taking an early train toward your last breath. It will all be balanced. Nobody's gettin' away with anything.[/quote]

Not true unfortunately. However if we all lived as if it was wouldn't the world be a great place? Obviously we would all have to be atheists for it to work though, but a fantastic sentiment from BoxBuzz

[BoxBuzz]

yancey....there is a universal constant that I buy into that may help you feel better.

ALL cruelty exported will be matched with incoming. Life is long, and some will say you can't escape this truth even by taking an early train toward your last breath. It will all be balanced. Nobody's gettin' away with anything.

I like this concept but sum barbaric and inhumane acts like those of hitler or truman can never be balanced

Let me take this one more step rather than claim it is 'true or false"....it may not be verifiable and of that I would agree....lol. But most religious groups would agree it to be true....whether by Karma or the wrath of some great deity. You will receive all you have coming to you...be it good or bad in this life or the here after.

[Goodnight, Irene]

yancey....there is a universal constant that I buy into that may help you feel better.

ALL cruelty exported will be matched with incoming. Life is long, and some will say you can't escape this truth even by taking an early train toward your last breath. It will all be balanced. Nobody's gettin' away with anything.

I like this concept but sum barbaric and inhumane acts like those of hitler or truman can never be balanced

Let me take this one more step rather than claim it is 'true or false"....it may not be verifiable and of that I would agree....lol. But most religious groups would agree it to be true...whether by Karma or the wrath of some great deity. You will receive all you have coming to you...be it good or bad in this life or the here after.

And what a credible bunch they are

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The word farce comes to mind when thinking of this event.

What was Foreman doing fannying about with stupid exhibitions like this, when the man who'd mugged his title off him was literally getting older before our very eyes?

Foreman should have been angling to get a rematch with Ali ASAP & to think there are people who have said that Ali ducked out of fighting Foreman again.

[Goodnight, Irene]

The word farce comes to mind when thinking of this event.

What was Foreman doing fannying about with stupid exhibitions like this, when the man who'd mugged his title off him was literally getting older before our very eyes?

Foreman should have been angling to get a rematch with Ali ASAP & to think there are people who have said that Ali ducked out of fighting Foreman again.

You are absolutely right to criticise Foreman for sitting out so long.

You are absolutely wrong to argue Ali didnt avoid a rematch with him.

[scallum]

yancey....there is a universal constant that I buy into that may help you feel better.

ALL cruelty exported will be matched with incoming. Life is long, and some will say you can't escape this truth even by taking an early train toward your last breath. It will all be balanced. Nobody's gettin' away with anything.

I like this concept but sum barbaric and inhumane acts like those of hitler or truman can never be balanced

Let me take this one more step rather than claim it is 'true or false"....it may not be verifiable and of that I would agree....lol. But most religious groups would agree it to be true....whether by Karma or the wrath of some great deity. You will receive all you have coming to you...be it good or bad in this life or the here after.

Ok since u added the here after part I'm in 1000% agreement with U

[scallum]

Foreman was mentally conquered by Ali he would have not done any better in a rematch. Imagine the theatrics Ali would have used on the fractured ego of George for a rematch. The second George stands a better chance vs Ali in a hypothetical match

[Goodnight, Irene]

Foreman's prime was definitely ruined by Ali, I agree with that.

How the rematch would play out and who would win, Ive never satisfied myself trying to figure out. What I do know is, between the two men, one chased the return bout, and the other retreated --- so it seems, whether he shouldve been or not, Ali lacked confidence about facing Foreman again.

Given Ali had climbed the mountain, done it in emphatic fashion and quite clearly damaged Foreman, his avoidance of a multi-million dollar rematch makes it tempting to wonder if there really was something nefarious going on in Zaire to conspire against Foreman...but we can never truly know, and you have to give Ali his due for what was perhaps his greatest ever victory.

[yancey]

Foreman's prime was definitely ruined by Ali, I agree with that.

How the rematch would play out and who would win, Ive never satisfied myself trying to figure out. What I do know is, between the two men, one chased the return bout, and the other retreated --- so it seems, whether he shouldve been or not, Ali lacked confidence about facing Foreman again.

Given Ali had climbed the mountain, done it in emphatic fashion and quite clearly damaged Foreman, his avoidance of a multi-million dollar rematch makes it tempting to wonder if there really was something nefarious going on in Zaire to conspire against Foreman...but we can never truly know, and you have to give Ali his due for what was perhaps his greatest ever victory.

It is understandable to wonder.

Nothing would surprise me.

Foreman didn't look right to me that night.

Almost like he was in kind of a daze. Sluggish.

Maybe it was something he ate.

Or drank.

[BoxBuzz]

Ask someone on the east coast....they know.

[yancey]

Ask someone on the east coast....they know.

Only someone in the East, eh?

Shucks.

[scallum]

I'm still not sure if Foreman would have held up to the challenge of taking on a character like Ali. Ali was fighting a few months after Foreman. George had to take over a year off while Ali fought 4 times in 1975. No matter what the team of Foreman may have been pushing for I just don't think he wouldve been up for the mental task of dealing wit Ali in 1975 or 1976. The mental task of dealing wit the antics of Ali had to be troublesome on sum fighters

[witherspoon]

Foreman's prime was definitely ruined by Ali, I agree with that.

How the rematch would play out and who would win, Ive never satisfied myself trying to figure out. What I do know is, between the two men, one chased the return bout, and the other retreated --- so it seems, whether he shouldve been or not, Ali lacked confidence about facing Foreman again.

Given Ali had climbed the mountain, done it in emphatic fashion and quite clearly damaged Foreman, his avoidance of a multi-million dollar rematch makes it tempting to wonder if there really was something nefarious going on in Zaire to conspire against Foreman...but we can never truly know, and you have to give Ali his due for what was perhaps his greatest ever victory.

It is understandable to wonder.

Nothing would surprise me.

Foreman didn't look right to me that night.

Almost like he was in kind of a daze. Sluggish.

Maybe it was something he ate.

Or drank.

It was the succubus got to George.

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Foreman's prime was definitely ruined by Ali, I agree with that.

How the rematch would play out and who would win, Ive never satisfied myself trying to figure out. What I do know is, between the two men, one chased the return bout, and the other retreated --- so it seems, whether he shouldve been or not, Ali lacked confidence about facing Foreman again.

Given Ali had climbed the mountain, done it in emphatic fashion and quite clearly damaged Foreman, his avoidance of a multi-million dollar rematch makes it tempting to wonder if there really was something nefarious going on in Zaire to conspire against Foreman...but we can never truly know, and you have to give Ali his due for what was perhaps his greatest ever victory.

It is understandable to wonder.

Nothing would surprise me.

Foreman didn't look right to me that night.

Almost like he was in kind of a daze. Sluggish.

Maybe it was something he ate.

Or drank.

Foreman was sluggish against Ron Lyle in 1976 & almost got knocked out.

I don't think there was anything sinister going on with Foreman; it was just that Ali took a piece of him in Zaire & mentality, he just didn't have it anymore.

Apart from splattering a totally shot Frazier in '76, Foreman never really looked decent again during his first career.

Ali should be given credit for that, given what Foreman was like pre Ali & what the world all thought about him.

It's no mean feat to take his fighting spirit like that.

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I'm still not sure if Foreman would have held up to the challenge of taking on a character like Ali. Ali was fighting a few months after Foreman. George had to take over a year off while Ali fought 4 times in 1975. No matter what the team of Foreman may have been pushing for I just don't think he wouldve been up for the mental task of dealing wit Ali in 1975 or 1976. The mental task of dealing wit the antics of Ali had to be troublesome on sum fighters

One thing you can almost bet your mortgage on is that, Foreman was too slow, one dimensional & lacked stamina to beat Ali on points & Ali was too tough to be KOd by Foreman, so the only likely outcome would be yet another Ali win.

It probably wouldn't have been by stoppage as Foreman would have been wiser to the rope-a-dope, plus Ali was deteriorating as a force, but I have no doubt he would have beaten Foreman again, circa 1975/76.

[BoxBuzz]

Foreman's prime was definitely ruined by Ali, I agree with that.

How the rematch would play out and who would win, Ive never satisfied myself trying to figure out. What I do know is, between the two men, one chased the return bout, and the other retreated --- so it seems, whether he shouldve been or not, Ali lacked confidence about facing Foreman again.

Given Ali had climbed the mountain, done it in emphatic fashion and quite clearly damaged Foreman, his avoidance of a multi-million dollar rematch makes it tempting to wonder if there really was something nefarious going on in Zaire to conspire against Foreman...but we can never truly know, and you have to give Ali his due for what was perhaps his greatest ever victory.

It is understandable to wonder.

Nothing would surprise me.

Foreman didn't look right to me that night.

Almost like he was in kind of a daze. Sluggish.

Maybe it was something he ate.

Or drank.

Foreman was sluggish against Ron Lyle in 1976 & almost got knocked out.

I don't think there was anything sinister going on with Foreman; it was just that Ali took a piece of him in Zaire & mentality, he just didn't have it anymore.

Apart from splattering a totally shot Frazier in '76, Foreman never really looked decent again during his first career.

Ali should be given credit for that, given what Foreman was like pre Ali & what the world all thought about him.

It's no mean feat to take his fighting spirit like that.

spirit? A fighter has that? Can it be measured? Who has seen this "spirit"? C'mon your talkin' all mystical mumbo jumbo...

Let me set ya straight mack......a guy goes in wid' his own two fists, he swing's em around a cupplea times...and somebody's eventually goin' down...the ref counts da bum out, and buddah boom buddah bing...ya got boxing in a nutshell.

Dont start talkin voodoo princess stuff in this forum buddy.

Spirits? that's da stuff when ya drinks too much of it, will getcha rattlin off like that...

somebody get the bartender to cut this guy off, he's had his fill, this one...

[Syntax Error]

It is understandable to wonder.

Nothing would surprise me.

Foreman didn't look right to me that night.

Almost like he was in kind of a daze. Sluggish.

Maybe it was something he ate.

Or drank.

Foreman was sluggish against Ron Lyle in 1976 & almost got knocked out.

I don't think there was anything sinister going on with Foreman; it was just that Ali took a piece of him in Zaire & mentality, he just didn't have it anymore.

Apart from splattering a totally shot Frazier in '76, Foreman never really looked decent again during his first career.

Ali should be given credit for that, given what Foreman was like pre Ali & what the world all thought about him.

It's no mean feat to take his fighting spirit like that.

spirit? A fighter has that? Can it be measured? Who has seen this "spirit"? C'mon your talkin' all mystical mumbo jumbo...

Let me set ya straight mack......a guy goes in wit' his two fists, he swing's em around a cupplea times...and somebody's eventually goin' down...the ref counts da bum out, and buddah boom buddah bing...ya got boxing in a nutshell.

Dont start talkin voodoo princess stuff in this forum buddy.

Spirits? that's da stuff when ya drinks too much of it, will getcha rattlin off like that...

somebody get the bartender to cut this guy off, he's had his fill, this one...

My my, you do take things literally.

You know exactly what I'm talking about.

Have you ever accused anyone of voodoo stuff when they say a fighter has heart or doesn't?

Fight fans talk about this all the time, yet no-one can measure that either.

I'll keep my drink though.

[BoxBuzz]

Well ok, When you put it that way I'm sold.

[Adamj1987]

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