Very Indecisive Hypotheticals

[AngryGoon38]

This is a thread where you post hypothetical matches that are the best examples of 50/50 in you're mind.

Here's my list....

-Pipino Cuevas vs Carlos Palomino

-Roberto Duran vs Juan Roldan

-Marvin Hagler vs Jake LaMotta

-Willie Pep vs Salvador Sanchez

-Sugar Ray Leonard vs Sugar Ray Robinson

-Rocky Graziano vs Jorge Castro

-Gene Fullmer vs Vito Anterfermo

-Carmen Basilio vs Roberto Duran

-Vinnie Pazienza vs Rocky Graziano

-Tony Zale vs Juan Roldan

-Mustafa Hamsho vs Nino Benvenuti

-Bennie Briscoe vs Tony Zale

-Johnny Tapia vs Junior Jones

-Gerry Cooney vs Wlad Klitschko

-Vitali Klitschko vs Riddick Bowe

-Evander Holyfield vs Rocky Marciano

-Joe Frazier vs Ken Norton

-Rocky Marciano vs Jack Dempsey

-Joe Louis vs Muhammed Ali

-George Foreman vs Lennox Lewis

-Larry Holmes vs Muhammed Ali

-George Foreman vs Riddick Bowe

-Lennox Lewis vs Riddick Bowe

-Joe Louis vs Mike Tyson

-Tommy Morrison vs Gerrie Coetzee

-Jerry Quarry vs Gene Tunney

-Alexis Arguello vs Oscar DeLaHoya

-Andrew Golota vs Tommy Morrison

[yancey]

This is a thread where you post hypothetical matches that are the best examples of 50/50 in you're mind.

Here's my list....

-Pipino Cuevas vs Carlos Palomino

-Roberto Duran vs Juan Roldan

-Marvin Hagler vs Jake LaMotta

-Willie Pep vs Salvador Sanchez

-Sugar Ray Leonard vs Sugar Ray Robinson

-Rocky Graziano vs Jorge Castro

-Gene Fullmer vs Vito Anterfermo

-Carmen Basilio vs Roberto Duran

-Vinnie Pazienza vs Rocky Graziano

-Tony Zale vs Juan Roldan

-Mustafa Hamsho vs Nino Benvenuti

-Bennie Briscoe vs Tony Zale

-Johnny Tapia vs Junior Jones

-Gerry Cooney vs Wlad Klitschko

-Vitali Klitschko vs Riddick Bowe

-Evander Holyfield vs Rocky Marciano

-Joe Frazier vs Ken Norton

-Rocky Marciano vs Jack Dempsey

-Joe Louis vs Muhammed Ali

-George Foreman vs Lennox Lewis

-Larry Holmes vs Muhammed Ali

-George Foreman vs Riddick Bowe

-Lennox Lewis vs Riddick Bowe

-Joe Louis vs Mike Tyson

-Tommy Morrison vs Gerrie Coetzee

-Jerry Quarry vs Gene Tunney

-Alexis Arguello vs Oscar DeLaHoya

Doubtless some good match-ups, but assuming primes,


Frazier is well better than 50/50 against Norton.

Holyfield is better than 50/50 against Marciano.

Ali is better than 50/50 against Holmes.

Tunney is better than 50/50 against Quarry, though it would be one interesting fight.

Don't know much about the lighter weights, but I would think Duran rates better than 50/50 against Basilio.

[Goodnight, Irene]

The ones in upper-case are TRUE 50-50's, the others are near to it.

Liston-Foreman

SANCHEZ-SADDLER

LOPEZ-HAMED

Louis-Ali

Ali-Holmes

Duran-Whitaker

MARCIANO-FRAZIER

CHAVEZ-DE LA HOYA

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Griffith/Gavilan is always my first answer for impossible to call fights.

BTW, Gene Fullmer would massacre Vito Antuofermo.

[Counter-puncher]

Arguello / Sanchez / Chavez

[AngryGoon38]

Griffith/Gavilan is always my first answer for impossible to call fights.

BTW, Gene Fullmer would massacre Vito Antuofermo.

Massacre the 79 version that drew with Hagler ? :geek2:

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Griffith/Gavilan is always my first answer for impossible to call fights.

BTW, Gene Fullmer would massacre Vito Antuofermo.

Massacre the 79 version that drew with Hagler ? :geek2:

Any version, getting a gift draw in a fight he was badly out-classed in hardly changes the gap in quality between them.

[scallum]

Greb vs Srr - Duran vs Whittaker- Foreman vs Louis - Ali vs King Kong lol

[yancey]

How would you guys feel about Liston-Holmes and Foreman-Holmes?

Aren't they fairly close to a coin flip?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I've always favored Holmes decisively in that one.

[Goodnight, Irene]

How would you guys feel about Liston-Holmes and Foreman-Holmes?

Aren't they fairly close to a coin flip?

Yes, for sure.

Those are two bouts that are really no more than 55-45 in either direction, really.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I've always favored Holmes decisively in that one.

Which one? Both?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I missed the Liston one, agreed on that being very hard to call. I like Larry over Foreman in the 80/20 range.

[yancey]

I missed the Liston one, agreed on that being very hard to call. I like Larry over Foreman in the 80/20 range.

Giving prime Foreman only a 20% shot against Holmes seems out of line to me.

I can definitely see Holmes prevailing, but Foreman in the early rounds would be very dangerous.

[Goodnight, Irene]

They could split ten bouts 5-5, the way I see it.

Holmes was way too willing to battle back when hurt, and struggled with excessive pressuring. He never faced a top-notch finisher until Tyson, and I couldve beaten half his title challengers. The few good ones were all green and anyone who made it tough never got a rematch.

Foreman was not Shavers.

Im not saying this is by any means the whole picture, but it adds up to a whole lot more than 20%, IMO. Liston was better than Foreman...he wasnt that better.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I missed the Liston one, agreed on that being very hard to call. I like Larry over Foreman in the 80/20 range.

Giving prime Foreman only a 20% shot against Holmes seems out of line to me.

I can definitely see Holmes prevailing, but Foreman in the early rounds would be very dangerous.

It might be, George was a wrecking machine. But if you're asking me, I'd bet heavily on Larry. I'm not always right when I do that, but I certainly don't do it on what I perceive to be a toss-up.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

They could split ten bouts 5-5, the way I see it.

Holmes was way too willing to battle back when hurt, and struggled with excessive pressuring. He never faced a top-notch finisher until Tyson, and I couldve beaten half his title challengers. The few good ones were all green and anyone who made it tough never got a rematch.

Foreman was not Shavers.

Im not saying this is by any means the whole picture, but it adds up to a whole lot more than 20%, IMO. Liston was better than Foreman...he wasnt that better.

It's not about Liston being better than Foreman for me. It's his jab matching Larry's.

[Nile4000]

Dokes-Page, circa 1982.

[elmersalsa]

The ones in upper-case are TRUE 50-50's, the others are near to it.

Liston-Foreman

SANCHEZ-SADDLER

LOPEZ-HAMED

Louis-Ali

Ali-Holmes

Duran-Whitaker

MARCIANO-FRAZIER

CHAVEZ-DE LA HOYA

Chavez vs De La Hoya? Don't make me laugh, GI.

[elmersalsa]

These are always in my mind:

Salvador Sanchez vs Eusebio Pedroza
Larry Holmes vs George Foreman
Mike Tyson vs Joe Frazier
Aaron Pryor vs Julio Cesar Chavez
Thomas Hearns vs Mike McCallum
Roy Jones, Jr vs Michael Nunn
Roy Jones, Jr vs Gerald McClellan
Riddick Bowe vs Lennox Lewis
Salvador Sanchez vs Alexis Arguello
Ruben Olivares vs Eder Jofre
Eder Jofre vs Carlos Zarate
Carlos Ortiz vs Roberto Duran
Ken Buchanan vs Esteban De Jesus
Carlos Monzon vs Marvin Hagler

[Goodnight, Irene]

Im talking about a fight at 140lbs. De La Hoya was too inexperienced at 135, and Chavez too small at 147.

Not that your opinion on De La Hoya matters. I could substitute Chavez's name for Diosbelys Hurtado and youd still be, "laughing."

[Syntax Error]

Duran -v- Whitaker @ 135 - I really can't call this one. Part of me thinks that Duran walks right through Whitaker & punches holes in him & another part of me thinks that if SRL could make Duran do a 'no mas', Whitaker would have him singing a karaoke version of it at Panama City airport, with the Beatles as a backing band! 8)

[elmersalsa]

Im talking about a fight at 140lbs. De La Hoya was too inexperienced at 135, and Chavez too small at 147.

Not that your opinion on De La Hoya matters. I could substitute Chavez's name for Diosbelys Hurtado and youd still be, "laughing."

At 140 lbs vs the great Julio Cesar Chavez? Do you believe that Oscar was that good? DLH is no where in Chavez' class for cripe sake!

[Goodnight, Irene]

Uh-huh.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Oscar's style would always give Julio trouble. His thinking deficiency isn't as much of an issue because Chavez constant pressure will keep him reacting instead of thinking. And contrary to what dolts like Elmer want to believe, Oscar was not short in toughness. Great as Chavez was, he NEVER beat a fighter the quality of DelaHoya. It's absurd to just hand it to him.