Gene Tunney Appreciation Society-Members Wanted Please....!

[Goodnight, Irene]

It is, "not a fair fight," in the sense that Frazier was a natural HW and Tunney was not...but it is pure buffoonery to label Tunney, "just a blown-up LHW."

Tunney would be a threat to most of the best HW's who ever drew breath. He would not be disgraced against Frazier, nor most others.

You know that, and I know that....but Yancey,...well..... he can be very difficult that fella. He's not always sensible like you and I.

I'm crushed.

:(

Will I gain acceptance around here if I become an Ali jock-sniffer?

Im sure you can guess how much of an Ali jock-sniffer I am, and, for that matter, how much respect I have for Buzz.

[yancey]

You know that, and I know that....but Yancey,...well..... he can be very difficult that fella. He's not always sensible like you and I.

I'm crushed.

:(

Will I gain acceptance around here if I become an Ali jock-sniffer?

Im sure you can guess how much of an Ali jock-sniffer I am, and, for that matter, how much respect I have for Buzz.

Buzz is okay, for an Ali groupie.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I disagree.

[yancey]

I disagree.

Maybe it is because I don't read all the threads and don't know much about the lighter weight categories, but Buzz generally has decent opinions and a good sense of humour, imo.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I just have a deep dislike for people (in real life) with a certain trait he displays...and he tends to write paragraphs of pure self-indulgent sh!t, rather than addressing the point. I presume this to be an elaborate cover for general ignorance...the proverbial dog-and-pony show, if you will.

[BoxBuzz]

This is boxing discussion forum, and certainly no place to be kidding around, and sometimes I fail the sobriety litmus test.

So allow me......Mia Culpa.....

G.I. You may spend your time down under, but that doesn't mean that many of us don't look up to you.

Now excuse me, I have to go feed Lassie and Mr. Ed

Their, there, uh...un hmm .....they're! a bit hungry.

[yancey]

I've always felt that Tunney-Marciano would have made for a hell of an interesting fight.

To my way of thinking, Tunney would be a very slightish favorite to get the decision over Rocky.

[BoxBuzz]

but yancey....tell me you wouldn't be hoping that the Rock would manage to connect in a way, that left the referee and his actions out of the discussion.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I've always felt that Tunney-Marciano would have made for a hell of an interesting fight.

To my way of thinking, Tunney would be a very slightish favorite to get the decision over Rocky.

Favour Tunney as well --- though there are plenty of similarities between Marciano & Frazier, its the former's wilder inaccuracy & general slowness which tip things (not dramatically) in Tunney's favour.

[klompton]

Id pick Tunney over Marciano.

[NazNaci1]

Beau, not sure if you have answered this but what's you thoughts on both Tunney and Langford at LHW? How do either compare with Charles?

[beaujack]

Beau, not sure if you have answered this but what's you thoughts on both Tunney and Langford at LHW? How do either compare with Charles?

B, a good question with no definitive answers.I have Tunney along with Charles as the two most likely greatest LHs...Langford was more famous for his success in all divisions he fought at .
Watching Gene Tunney against an older Tommy Gibbons, a past peak Carpentier,tells me that the methodical, brainy Tunney would be hard to beat as a LH...If anyone could decision Tunney it would be Ezzard Charles,who had everything as a LH fighter...I say pick-em,or Tunney 6-5 favorite...

[raylawpc]

I just have a deep dislike for people (in real life) with a certain trait he displays...and he tends to write paragraphs of pure self-indulgent sh!t, rather than addressing the point. I presume this to be an elaborate cover for general ignorance...the proverbial dog-and-pony show, if you will.

Buzz has a good knowledge of boxing. He just tries to be droll and witty, and most of the time he succeeds.

I prefer that over other posters who also have a good knowledge of boxing, but who choose to be patronizing and insulting.

[Ambling Alp]

Me too. There is way too many insulting of other posters on the board.

I think Tunney was a great fighter. You could make a decent case that he was the best light heavyweight ever. He was one of the top 15 heavyweights.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I just have a deep dislike for people (in real life) with a certain trait he displays...and he tends to write paragraphs of pure self-indulgent sh!t, rather than addressing the point. I presume this to be an elaborate cover for general ignorance...the proverbial dog-and-pony show, if you will.

Buzz has a good knowledge of boxing. He just tries to be droll and witty, and most of the time he succeeds.

I prefer that over other posters who also have a good knowledge of boxing, but who choose to be patronizing and insulting.

I prefer it in principle as well...I just happen to find his comedic stylings as humourous as cancer.

[raylawpc]

I just have a deep dislike for people (in real life) with a certain trait he displays...and he tends to write paragraphs of pure self-indulgent sh!t, rather than addressing the point. I presume this to be an elaborate cover for general ignorance...the proverbial dog-and-pony show, if you will.

Buzz has a good knowledge of boxing. He just tries to be droll and witty, and most of the time he succeeds.

I prefer that over other posters who also have a good knowledge of boxing, but who choose to be patronizing and insulting.

I prefer it in principle as well...I just happen to find his comedic stylings as humourous as cancer.

To each his own, right? I enjoy most of Buzz's postings.

[NazNaci1]

Beau, not sure if you have answered this but what's you thoughts on both Tunney and Langford at LHW? How do either compare with Charles?

B, a good question with no definitive answers.I have Tunney along with Charles as the two most likely greatest LHs...Langford was more famous for his success in all divisions he fought at .
Watching Gene Tunney against an older Tommy Gibbons, a past peak Carpentier,tells me that the methodical, brainy Tunney would be hard to beat as a LH...If anyone could decision Tunney it would be Ezzard Charles,who had everything as a LH fighter...I say pick-em,or Tunney 6-5 favorite...

Thanks Beau

A great pick'em, if ever there was one. A strong weight class, for sure.

[Chuck1052]

For years, I was struck by the fact that Gene Tunney had far less professional bouts during his career than the vast majority of his contemporaries in the light-heavyweight division. Could it be that Tunney was ahead of his time?

Tunney expressed a very high regard for Tommy Gibbons a number of times. In fact, Tunney wrote that he felt somewhat fortunate that Harry Greb won an American heavyweight title elimination bout with Gibbons before the first bout between Tunney and Greb took place. Tunney thought there was a very good chance that he would have been knocked out in a bout with Gibbons at the time, which could have changed future boxing history to a great degree. Yes, Greb did give Tunney a terrible beating in their first bout, but did not knock him out.

I consider the series of bouts between Harry Greb and Tommy Gibbons during the early 1920s more interesting than the series of bouts between Greb and Tunney. During the early 1920s, Gibbons was a truly great fighter while Greb was Greb.

- Chuck Johnston

[beaujack]

For years, I was struck by the fact that Gene Tunney had far less professional bouts during his career than the vast majority of his contemporaries in the light-heavyweight division. Could it be that Tunney was ahead of his time?

Tunney expressed a very high regard for Tommy Gibbons a number of times. In fact, Tunney wrote that he felt somewhat fortunate that Harry Greb won an American heavyweight title elimination bout with Gibbons before the first bout between Tunney and Greb took place. Tunney thought there was a very good chance that he would have been knocked out in a bout with Gibbons at the time, which could have changed future boxing history to a great degree. Yes, Greb did give Tunney a terrible beating in their first bout, but did not knock him out.

I consider the series of bouts between Harry Greb and Tommy Gibbons during the early 1920s more interesting than the series of bouts between Greb and Tunney. During the early 1920s, Gibbons was a truly great fighter while Greb was Greb.
Yes Harry Greb did not "knock out" Gene Tunney in their first bout in 1922 MSG. Gene Tunney took a terrible beating but the 12-15 pound lighter Greb did everything but ko Tunney in that bout..My dad a Tunney fan from Greenwich Village, saw that bloodbath as a young man, and became a Greb fan from that time after...Harry Greb never set himself up for a one punch ko as he was in perpetual motion
and never in the same spot for "more than a second", as Gene Tunney described Greb's style...

- Chuck Johnston

[Chuck1052]

I was disappointed with Jack Cavanaugh's biography of Gene Tunney. There were some inaccuracies and a lack of depth in the book when it came to covering Tunney's career and life after he retired. It was also bothersome that so much of the book was devoted to Jack Dempsey and his career rather than to Tunney himself.

For the record, Dave Shade's boxing style was not similar to Tunney's. Although a "safety-first" boxer like Tunney, Shade had a distinct "bob-and-weave" boxing style while Tunney was a "stand-up" boxer.

According to Cavanaugh's book, Jimmy Delaney had a boxing style which was similar to Jack Dempsey's. While reading about Delaney in articles and other books, I got the impression that Delaney borrowed heavily from Mike Gibbons' boxing style.

- Chuck Johnston

[klompton]

Jimmy Delaney fought in the classic St. Paul style. He was a protege of Mike Gibbons. He fought nothing like Dempsey, this can be verified by the film which exists of Delaney.

[keithmoonhangover]

Count me in. He hung around with Hem and Fitz, beat great fighters and retired on top. A hero, an inspiration and a from what I've read, a gentleman.

[Ambling Alp]

I was disappointed with Jack Cavanaugh's biography of Gene Tunney. There were some inaccuracies and a lack of depth in the book when it came to covering Tunney's career and life after he retired. It was also bothersome that so much of the book was devoted to Jack Dempsey and his career rather than to Tunney himself.

For the record, Dave Shade's boxing style was not similar to Tunney's. Although a "safety-first" boxer like Tunney, Shade had a distinct "bob-and-weave" boxing style while Tunney was a "stand-up" boxer.

According to Cavanaugh's book, Jimmy Delaney had a boxing style which was similar to Jack Dempsey's. While reading about Delaney in articles and other books, I got the impression that Delaney borrowed heavily from Mike Gibbons' boxing style.

- Chuck Johnston

I kind of thought that it wasn't that great either. It was decent, but could have been better. And you are right, it really was a almost a dual biography about both Dempsey and Tunney. If I am thinking of the right book he also got off track and was writing about Primo Carnera for a while. Still, given that there has not been a lot written about Tunney, it is still worth reading.

[Chuck1052]

I enjoyed reading Gene Tunney's autobiography, A Man Must Fight, which was a much better book than John Cavanaugh's biography of Tunney. In A Man Must Fight, Tunney wrote about his career in great detail and didn't hesitate in stating his opinions. Moreover, I can understand much better why Tunney was not completely embraced by many boxing fans after reading the autobiography.

Tunney also wrote a number of articles pertaining to boxing. In addition, he gave his opinion on the state of boxing and various well-known boxers quite a few times long after his boxing career ended.

- Chuck Johnston

[Goodnight, Irene]

I enjoyed reading Gene Tunney's autobiography, A Man Must Fight, which was a much better book than John Cavanaugh's biography of Tunney. In A Man Must Fight, Tunney wrote about his career in great detail and didn't hesitate in stating his opinions. Moreover, I can understand much better why Tunney was not completely embraced by many boxing fans after reading the autobiography.

Tunney also wrote a number of articles pertaining to boxing. In addition, he gave his opinion on the state of boxing and various well-known boxers quite a few times long after his boxing career ended.

- Chuck Johnston

What do you mean by this? His perceived snobbery?

Could you share with us some of Tunney's thoughts on those well-known boxers?