The Rise and Fall of Naseem Hamed: Part2

[Ramon3MR]

The conclusion to Andy Olsen's piece on Naseem Hamed

http://3morerounds.com/columns/the-rise ... ed-part-2/

[Glyn Leach]

The conclusion to Andy Olsen's piece on Naseem Hamed

http://3morerounds.com/columns/the-rise ... ed-part-2/

Excellent Andy. The atmosphere around the McCullough fight was completely poisonous, plain unpleasant.

[Quixall]

This whole Hamed thing has been done to death.........

It's really quite simple. Hamed always had the power, the only thing that changed was that as his opponents got better, he relied more and more on that power and slice by slice abandoned the switch hitting, counter punching, hit and move style that had been prevelant in his early career. That is where the debate is. Would have Hamed been more succesful if he had combined the power and kept that elusive style ? I personally think he would have been more succesful if he had kept to his earlier style, but whether he could have beaten the likes of Barrera, Morales or say Marquez is up for grabs.

The last thing to say on this is three other reasons that could have affected his performances or led to that premature end to his career. The first is that his hands were apparently shot. According to Hamed he needed cortisone injections and said that he didn't want to go into fights without that "ammo". The second thing is that he was older, had become a father of three kids and had plenty of money, ie, his focus for the sport dipped. Thirdly, i don't think he felt comfortable with the idea of fighting in America post 9/11 after he had been overyly religous in his last fight there.

Hamed was a very good fighter, a great entertainer, but a compex character who ostracised those around him. The loss of Brendan in his life and as his mentor / trainer must have had a massive impact on Hamed and it came at the wrong time in his career. Unfortunately for Hamed, when he need everything to be solid around him boxing wise, at a stage in which he was facing or starting to face some of the very best fighters, things behind the scenes were coming undone. It's a shame, because Manny Steward said he was the most talented fighter he had worked with.

[palooka]

I know a man who worked fo the Hamed managerial and promotinal set up for the Ingle bout. He spent a lot of time with Naseem and swears that a lot of the arrogance and swagger was an act. Out of the cameras and journalists he was a kind and thoughtful man. It is a shame that he didn't train properly or listen to Brendan Ingles advice, he'd have been even better than he was. He's not the only boxer to have a fall out with his manager/trainer over money, even n Sheffield it's happened more than once and there are few saints in professional sport.

[Quixall]

I know a man who worked fo the Hamed managerial and promotinal set up for the Ingle bout. He spent a lot of time with Naseem and swears that a lot of the arrogance and swagger was an act. Out of the cameras and journalists he was a kind and thoughtful man. It is a shame that he didn't train properly or listen to Brendan Ingles advice, he'd have been even better than he was. He's not the only boxer to have a fall out with his manager/trainer over money, even n Sheffield it's happened more than once and there are few saints in professional sport.

The one thing you can give Hamed is this..................

We are STILL talking about him some 10 years after he last fought !!

So he must have had something special.

[hitman_hatton1]

would like to hear naz version of events.

really is autobiography time.

i'm sure he's been offered good money to do one.

must be plenty queing up to write it.

but the fat bugger keeps staying quiet.

[safeerah]

This whole Hamed thing has been done to death.........

It's really quite simple. Hamed always had the power, the only thing that changed was that as his opponents got better, he relied more and more on that power and slice by slice abandoned the switch hitting, counter punching, hit and move style that had been prevelant in his early career. That is where the debate is. Would have Hamed been more succesful if he had combined the power and kept that elusive style ? I personally think he would have been more succesful if he had kept to his earlier style, but whether he could have beaten the likes of Barrera, Morales or say Marquez is up for grabs.

The last thing to say on this is three other reasons that could have affected his performances or led to that premature end to his career. The first is that his hands were apparently shot. According to Hamed he needed cortisone injections and said that he didn't want to go into fights without that "ammo". The second thing is that he was older, had become a father of three kids and had plenty of money, ie, his focus for the sport dipped. Thirdly, i don't think he felt comfortable with the idea of fighting in America post 9/11 after he had been overyly religous in his last fight there.

Hamed was a very good fighter, a great entertainer, but a compex character who ostracised those around him. The loss of Brendan in his life and as his mentor / trainer must have had a massive impact on Hamed and it came at the wrong time in his career. Unfortunately for Hamed, when he need everything to be solid around him boxing wise, at a stage in which he was facing or starting to face some of the very best fighters, things behind the scenes were coming undone. It's a shame, because Manny Steward said he was the most talented fighter he had worked with.

You have changed your tune from the last posts you did on Hamed how strange you are or maybe you don't know what is really going on in your head, what dummy.

[safeerah]

I know a man who worked fo the Hamed managerial and promotinal set up for the Ingle bout. He spent a lot of time with Naseem and swears that a lot of the arrogance and swagger was an act. Out of the cameras and journalists he was a kind and thoughtful man. It is a shame that he didn't train properly or listen to Brendan Ingles advice, he'd have been even better than he was. He's not the only boxer to have a fall out with his manager/trainer over money, even n Sheffield it's happened more than once and there are few saints in professional sport.

The one thing you can give Hamed is this..................

We are STILL talking about him some 10 years after he last fought !!

So he must have had something special.

Special now his he ? surely you are confused, did not think you rated him that well.

[Quixall]

This whole Hamed thing has been done to death.........

It's really quite simple. Hamed always had the power, the only thing that changed was that as his opponents got better, he relied more and more on that power and slice by slice abandoned the switch hitting, counter punching, hit and move style that had been prevelant in his early career. That is where the debate is. Would have Hamed been more succesful if he had combined the power and kept that elusive style ? I personally think he would have been more succesful if he had kept to his earlier style, but whether he could have beaten the likes of Barrera, Morales or say Marquez is up for grabs.

The last thing to say on this is three other reasons that could have affected his performances or led to that premature end to his career. The first is that his hands were apparently shot. According to Hamed he needed cortisone injections and said that he didn't want to go into fights without that "ammo". The second thing is that he was older, had become a father of three kids and had plenty of money, ie, his focus for the sport dipped. Thirdly, i don't think he felt comfortable with the idea of fighting in America post 9/11 after he had been overyly religous in his last fight there.

Hamed was a very good fighter, a great entertainer, but a compex character who ostracised those around him. The loss of Brendan in his life and as his mentor / trainer must have had a massive impact on Hamed and it came at the wrong time in his career. Unfortunately for Hamed, when he need everything to be solid around him boxing wise, at a stage in which he was facing or starting to face some of the very best fighters, things behind the scenes were coming undone. It's a shame, because Manny Steward said he was the most talented fighter he had worked with.

You have changed your tune from the last posts you did on Hamed how strange you are or maybe you don't know what is really going on in your head, what dummy.

Listen Prick end,

If i said the sky was blue, you would disagree. If i said that Paris was the capital of France, you would disagree. Why ? Because you don't like people who criticise you. You think i'm a tosser and i think you are a tosser. End of really !!

I have not changed any opinion on Hamed whatsoever. I am merely reiterating what i have said previously on the subject. I state that he was a very good fighter, who was an entertainer. I suggest that the debate on Hamed always centre's on whether he would have been more successfull if he had kept his switch hitting, counter-punching style instead of relying soley on his power. I state that he perhaps would have been more successful, but qualify that by saying that it wasn't a guarantee that he would beat the likes of Morales, Barrera or Marquez. He did fight Barrera and got outclassed, get over it.

How simple is that for you.

ps don't answer back, because i won't reply

[safeerah]

This whole Hamed thing has been done to death.........

It's really quite simple. Hamed always had the power, the only thing that changed was that as his opponents got better, he relied more and more on that power and slice by slice abandoned the switch hitting, counter punching, hit and move style that had been prevelant in his early career. That is where the debate is. Would have Hamed been more succesful if he had combined the power and kept that elusive style ? I personally think he would have been more succesful if he had kept to his earlier style, but whether he could have beaten the likes of Barrera, Morales or say Marquez is up for grabs.

The last thing to say on this is three other reasons that could have affected his performances or led to that premature end to his career. The first is that his hands were apparently shot. According to Hamed he needed cortisone injections and said that he didn't want to go into fights without that "ammo". The second thing is that he was older, had become a father of three kids and had plenty of money, ie, his focus for the sport dipped. Thirdly, i don't think he felt comfortable with the idea of fighting in America post 9/11 after he had been overyly religous in his last fight there.

Hamed was a very good fighter, a great entertainer, but a compex character who ostracised those around him. The loss of Brendan in his life and as his mentor / trainer must have had a massive impact on Hamed and it came at the wrong time in his career. Unfortunately for Hamed, when he need everything to be solid around him boxing wise, at a stage in which he was facing or starting to face some of the very best fighters, things behind the scenes were coming undone. It's a shame, because Manny Steward said he was the most talented fighter he had worked with.

You have changed your tune from the last posts you did on Hamed how strange you are or maybe you don't know what is really going on in your head, what dummy.

Listen Prick end,

If i said the sky was blue, you would disagree. If i said that Paris was the capital of France, you would disagree. Why ? Because you don't like people who criticise you. You think i'm a tosser and i think you are a tosser. End of really !!

I have not changed any opinion on Hamed whatsoever. I am merely reiterating what i have said previously on the subject. I state that he was a very good fighter, who was an entertainer. I suggest that the debate on Hamed always centre's on whether he would have been more successfull if he had kept his switch hitting, counter-punching style instead of relying soley on his power. I state that he perhaps would have been more successful, but qualify that by saying that it wasn't a guarantee that he would beat the likes of Morales, Barrera or Marquez. He did fight Barrera and got outclassed, get over it.

How simple is that for you.

ps don't answer back, because i won't reply

Lol, you have just ben played like a guitar.