Primo Carnera vs Harry Greb

[BoxBuzz]

Here's one.

I'm not a Carnera fan, but this has to be one odd bout for a guy the size of Greb,Carnera certainly is no Gene Tunney.....I consider him one of the worst HW champs in the inventory, so does this mean Carnera is in for a bad day?

[raylawpc]

We move from the silly to the absurd . . .

[BoxBuzz]

Well, for my money, Carnera's probably not even as good as Ruiz, but that height/weight of his, well it is what it is.

If most people are thinking that Greb beats Ruiz, why not Carnera?

Yep it's Mutt and Jeff, it's odd, it's unusual. But what are the odds here? Does it change from the Ruiz predictions?

Cuz if it does, I want to know why.

[AngryGoon38]

Greb at 5-8 vs Carnera at 6-8. This is how i see it goin down....

Greb tries to swarm Carnera,potshot em,etc,Carnera grabs and ties em up,very excessively throughout the first round.
Same thing for the second round,then,in the third round,Greb gets so aggravated,he starts incorporating low blows,intentionally or unintentionally who knows,but Carnera then really starts to wrestle excessively. Ref sees enough is enough and rules it a NC3 decision.

[dempseyfire]

Well, for my money, Carnera's probably not even as good as Ruiz, but that height/weight of his, well it is what it is.

If most people are thinking that Greb beats Ruiz, why not Carnera?

Yep it's Mutt and Jeff, it's odd, it's unusual. But what are the odds here? Does it change from the Ruiz predictions?

Cuz if it does, I want to know why.

Carnera was far better than Ruiz (Primo was also a giant compared to natural cruiser Ruiz), but I'll never persuade buzz from the Bert Sugar (RIP) conventional history that Carnera was a clumsy oaf whose big wins were all fixes, he couldn't his own shoelaces blah blah blah . .

In any case, I'll have Primo by a decision.

[BoxBuzz]

dempsey, I hear...uh ok SEE your words without prejudice. I'll go back over the video record. What should i concentrate on, as I observe his mastery of the sport?

[Alan Partridge]

Well, for my money, Carnera's probably not even as good as Ruiz, but that height/weight of his, well it is what it is.

If most people are thinking that Greb beats Ruiz, why not Carnera?

Yep it's Mutt and Jeff, it's odd, it's unusual. But what are the odds here? Does it change from the Ruiz predictions?

Cuz if it does, I want to know why.

Carnera was far better than Ruiz (Primo was also a giant compared to natural cruiser Ruiz), but I'll never persuade buzz from the Bert Sugar (RIP) conventional history that Carnera was a clumsy oaf whose big wins were all fixes, he couldn't his own shoelaces blah blah blah . .

In any case, I'll have Primo by a decision.

Greb all day long.

In and out scoring points.

[dempseyfire]

dempsey, I hear...uh ok SEE your words without prejudice. I'll go back over the video record. What should i concentrate on, as I observe his mastery of the sport?

If you watch the Baer fight beyond the 2nd round he actually outboxes Max in the middle rounds and looks good.

Also vs Louis, Godfrey, Uzcudun, Sharkey etc. shows good boxing skills, especially inside-fighting ability (usually a weakness of super heavyweights) and stamina for such a massive man. Even his defense is pretty solid.

[raylawpc]

I think Louis as quoted after the fight saying something to the effect that Carnera was a much better boxer than he had expected.

[BoxBuzz]

dempsey, I hear...uh ok SEE your words without prejudice. I'll go back over the video record. What should i concentrate on, as I observe his mastery of the sport?

If you watch the Baer fight beyond the 2nd round he actually outboxes Max in the middle rounds and looks good.

Also vs Louis, Godfrey, Uzcudun, Sharkey etc. shows good boxing skills, especially inside-fighting ability (usually a weakness of super heavyweights) and stamina for such a massive man. Even his defense is pretty solid.

Ok, I've looked at the Baer Vs Carnera fight only at this point. I thought I smelled something rotten, so I also took a peek at Baer vs Schmeling.

And though I think we honestly disagree about the DEGREE in which the Affable Alp "looks good", (because in a COMPLETE vacuum your statement "sorta, kinda," stands.) I also think it deserves context. The reason Carnerror looks "OK" IMHO is due to Max's nearly Keystone cop approach to dismantling him. If you watch the Schmeling fight, you'd swear it was two different Max Baers.

The performances have little in common other than Max's inexplicable obsession to wink at the girls and adjust his trunks.

So, my opinion is, Max was not concerned with the incoming, and chose to utilize an approach that "kinda sorta" upgraded the Lumbering Lunks apparent effectiveness. If..... you really want to characterize any portion of that fight as "effective" on behalf of Primo.

Some other observations, maybe just due to size, but I will say Primo has a "Klitschko affect" going as well. At times you could pop a digital imprint of Wlad or Vitali at the top of his shoulders and you'd "feel the presence". lol. That's neither a slam, nor praise, I think it just comes with the height.

Does he "go through some motions" that suggest he has been trained fairly well? I'd say ok to that. But even though you sort of get the feel that he has been pretty well coached, I don't get the feeling that Max was impressed, or even concerned with the "output" ....the actual boxing "product" that Carnera was delivering and that Max was faced with that night. So much so, that I think Max spent much of his time perhaps thinking about his taxes, looking at the girls ringside, and tending to the comfort level of his shorts (even more than usual) while he waited for the next opening to appear.

Did it raise my opinion, of P.C.? yes, but not by much. Did Sugar have much to do with my opinion? Yes but not much, I come from a long line of Carnera dissers....lol....third generation.

[The End]

Well, for my money, Carnera's probably not even as good as Ruiz, but that height/weight of his, well it is what it is.

If most people are thinking that Greb beats Ruiz, why not Carnera?

Yep it's Mutt and Jeff, it's odd, it's unusual. But what are the odds here? Does it change from the Ruiz predictions?

Cuz if it does, I want to know why.

Carnera was far better than Ruiz (Primo was also a giant compared to natural cruiser Ruiz), but I'll never persuade buzz from the Bert Sugar (RIP) conventional history that Carnera was a clumsy oaf whose big wins were all fixes, he couldn't his own shoelaces blah blah blah . .

In any case, I'll have Primo by a decision.

Quite a rare occasion it is.

I agree with you.

[Techno89]

Greb

[Tuff Customer]

uh Carnera was a big heavy......He wins this

[BoxBuzz]

Guess that settles it then. Big guy, big win.

[Tomasino]

I take Greb by decision, too fast on his feet, although I think Carnera was better than his rep but not by much. If he can beat Tunney and handle the best heavies of his day then he beats Primo IMO.