40/50s top ten heavyweights vs 60s/70s top 10 heavies

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

I am combining the 40s and 50s heavyweights top top and they will face off against the top 10 60s/70s heavies.

1941-1960 top 10 heavyweights:

1. Joe Louis
2. Rocky Marciano
3. Sonny Liston - peak 1959, 1960
4. Ezzard Charles
5. Jersey Joe Walcott
6. Jimmy Bivins
7. Ingemmar Johanssen
8. Archie Moore
9. Elmer Ray
10. Cleveland Williams

1961-1980 top 10 heavyweights

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Frazier
3. George Foreman
4. Larry Holmes
5. Ken Norton
6. Floyd Patterson- peaked in 60s
7. Jerry Quarry
8. Jimmy Ellis
9. Ron Lyle
10. Earnie Shavers



matchups


# 10 Earnie Shavers 6'1 210 lb vs # 10 Cleveland Williams 6'3 210 lb


# 9 Ron Lyle 6'3 215 lb vs # 9 Elmer Ray 6'2 198 lb


#8 Jimmy Ellis 6'1 197lb vs # 8 Archie Moore 5'11 188 lb


#7 Jerry Quarry 6' 195 lb vs # 7 Ingemar Johannsen 6'0 194 lb

# 6 Floyd Patterson 6' 190 lb vs 6 Jimmy Bivins 5'11 188 lb


# 5 Ken Norton 6'3 217 lb vs # 5 Jersey Joe Walcott 6' 196 lb


# 4 Larry Holmes 6'3 210 lb vs # 4 Ezzard Charles 6' 183 lb


# 3 George Foreman 6'3 220 lb vs # 3 Sonny Liston 6'1 215 lb


# 2 Joe Frazier 6' 205 lbs vs # 2 Rocky Marciano 5'11 187 lb


#1 Muhammad Ali 6'3 206 lb Vs # 1 Joe Louis 6'1 202 lbs




My Predictions:

Cleveland Williams TKO 6 over Earnie Shavers

Ron Lyle KO 8 Elmer Ray

Archie Moore 15u Jimmy Ellis

Jerry Quarry TKO 14 Ingemar Johansen

Floyd Patterson 15s Jimmy Bivins

Jersey Joe Walcott 15m Ken Norton

Larry Holmes 15u Ezzard Charles

Sonny Liston KO 7 George Foreman

Rocky Marciano TKO 12 Joe Frazier

Joe Louis TKO 13 Muhammad ali


well because of these matchups. i have 40s/50s winning the series 6-4. of course this is all do to matchups and if we switch the pairings around, well get different results.

[Rory McCloskey]

haha nice... id have to agree with you on every fight. maybediffernt ways of it ending, but no need repeating. very nice fight.. louis-ali i thought i would get hasseled for picking louis, but i definatly agree thatwould be a great fight n i would take louis.

[Ambling Alp]

Interesting Topic, I'm surprised more peolple haven't responded yet. I do think Foreman should be rated ahead of Frazier, and I don't believe that Elmer Ray or Jimmy Bivins deserves to be the in the top 10 of the 40's and 50's. Williams, Liston, and Patterson could all be in the other side that they are. Anyway, this is how I would see these fights:

#10 Shavers -Williams. I would go with Shavers although I certainly can see why some would be pick Williams. Either way, it wouldn't last long.

#9 Lyle -Ray.Lyle by Ko in 6 or 7 rounds.

#8 Ellis-Moore. I would pick Moore in a fight that may be a lot closer than some people would think.

#7 Quarry - Johansson. Johansson by Ko in the mid rounds. Johansson would be able to hit Quarry who wasn't a good defensive fighter.

# 6 Patterson-Bivins. Patterson, probably by decision. Bivins doesn't have an impressive record at heavyweight.

# 5 Norton-Walcott. Norton by close decision.

#4 Holmes -Charles. Holmes by decision or late KO.

#3 Foreman -Liston. Liston was a wrecking machine, but Foreman was a better wrecking machine. Foreman in 5 in a war.

# 2 Frazier-Marciano. I'm on the fence with this one. I guess I will go with Marciano because Frazier was often a slow starter. If Frazier gets through the eraly rounds, he would probably win.

#1 Ali- Louis. Ali by either late stoppage or decision. Louis would have a lot of trouble hitting Ali, and Ali had a great chin and would be able to handle it even if Louis did land a haymaker.

So I have the 1960's-1970's winning 7-3.
The 1970's were by far the best decade for heavyweight boxing. The 1960's were pretty good. The 1950's was almost as good as the 1960's. However, IMO the 1940's was a below average decade in the heavyweight division. Without Joe Louis, there really isn't much.

Another decade that was great was the 1910-1919. You had Johnson, Langford,McVey, Jeaneete etc.

The 1990's could have been great if Holyfield, Lewis, Tyson, Bowe, would have all fought each other. Even Mercer and Moorer had their moments.

[ronnyrains]

10-Shavers KO Williams
9-Lyle Decision Elmer Ray
8-Ellis Decision Archie Moore (HW ELLIS WHO BEAT 5 CONTENDERS)
7-Quarry KO Johansson (Iingemar only 28 fights -cannot come close to Jerry's competition, Quarry had 8 top ten wins and 4 by knockout.
6-Patterson decisions Bivins
5-Norton 8th round TKO Walcott-fight can go either way
4-Holmes 9 Round TKO Over Charles
3-Foreman 3 round KO Sonny Liston after getting off the canvas in a war
2-Frazier 8-6-1 decision over The Rock -(hard to argue 49-0 thou)
1- Ali ez decision over Louis, Ali would have had Louis figured out by the first round. Ali beat the best of mankind period than gave them a rematch (cept George) ALi's victories over great foes Triples Louis.
ALI 37-5 vs the Wba top ten/ 32-5 vs Ring top ten. that's incredible
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[Ezzard]

# 10 Earnie Shavers 6'1 210 lb vs # 10 Cleveland Williams 6'3 210 lb

Shavers by KO


# 9 Ron Lyle 6'3 215 lb vs # 9 Elmer Ray 6'2 198 lb

Lyle Pts

#8 Jimmy Ellis 6'1 197lb vs # 8 Archie Moore 5'11 188 lb

Moore Pts

#7 Jerry Quarry 6' 195 lb vs # 7 Ingemar Johannsen 6'0 194 lb

Quarry Pts

# 6 Floyd Patterson 6' 190 lb vs 6 Jimmy Bivins 5'11 188 lb

Bivins Pts

# 5 Ken Norton 6'3 217 lb vs # 5 Jersey Joe Walcott 6' 196 lb

Norton (I think Walcott is the better fighter but Ken was great against boxer types)

# 4 Larry Holmes 6'3 210 lb vs # 4 Ezzard Charles 6' 183 lb

Charles Pts (Holmes the better HW but again I like Charles’ style against Larry)

# 3 George Foreman 6'3 220 lb vs # 3 Sonny Liston 6'1 215 lb

Liston KO

# 2 Joe Frazier 6' 205 lbs vs # 2 Rocky Marciano 5'11 187 lb

Frazier Pts

#1 Muhammad Ali 6'3 206 lb Vs # 1 Joe Louis 6'1 202 lbs

At 206 this is the younger Ali while at 202 this is a peak Joe. I usually side with Ali but I think Joe wins this one. Never going to be much in it.

[Crease]

I will give this a go.

10 - Cleveland Williams vs Earnie Shavers
I'd have to give this fight to Shavers, think that he would just overpower Williams within 10 rounds.

9 - Elmer Ray vs Ron Lyle
Ray has developed somewhat of a cult following on this site, to the extent that I believe some people tend to overrate him. I'm going with Lyle by a wide UD.

8 - Archie Moore vs Jimmy Ellis
Moore knocks him out in round 7 or 8.

7 - Ingo Johanssen vs Jerry Quarry
This is a difficult choice. But I'd give it to Quarry by a closely contested SD. Ingo was very tough, and as has been pointed out earlier, Quarry's defence wasn't the greatest that I've ever seen.

6 - Jimmy Ellis vs Floyd Patterson
Patterson wins by UD.

5 - Jersey Joe Walcott vs Ken Norton
Walcott wins by UD.

4 - Ezzard Charles vs Larry Holmes
There's a part of me that says this could be a really difficult fight for Larry. But I'd probably have to go for a Holmes UD.

3 - Sonny Liston vs George Foreman
Foreman destroys listen. This is a gun show and the man with the bigger guns wins.

2 - Rocky Marciano vs Joe Frazier
Rocky wins by UD. Or, alternatively I could see him stopping Joe - but I won't push my luck.

1 - Joe Louis vs Muhammad Ali
These days, I tend to lean toward Louis beating him.

My finals score is: 4-6 to the 60s-80s team.

[dempseyfire]

Cleveland Williams TKO 10 over Earnie Shavers

Elmer Ray UD Ron Lyle

Archie Moore UD Jimmy Ellis

Jerry Quarry TKO 7 Ingemar Johansen

Jimmy Bivins UD Floyd Patterson

Jersey Joe Walcott SD Ken Norton (a knockdown by Jersey Joe makes the difference)

Larry Holmes SD Ezzard Charles

Sonny Liston TKO 5 George Foreman

Joe Frazier SD Rocky Marciano

Joe Louis UD Muhammad Ali

[Woldemar]

Shavers KO 8 Williams

Lyle UD Ray

Moore UD Ellis

Quarry TKO 8 Johansen

Patterson UD Bivins

Norton UD Walcott

Holmes UD Charles

Foreman KO 4 Liston

Frazier UD Marciano

Ali SD Louis

[HomicideHenry]

# 10 Earnie Shavers 6'1 210 lb vs # 10 Cleveland Williams 6'3 210 lb


# 9 Ron Lyle 6'3 215 lb vs # 9 Elmer Ray 6'2 198 lb


#8 Jimmy Ellis 6'1 197lb vs # 8 Archie Moore 5'11 188 lb


#7 Jerry Quarry 6' 195 lb vs # 7 Ingemar Johannsen 6'0 194 lb

# 6 Floyd Patterson 6' 190 lb vs 6 Jimmy Bivins 5'11 188 lb


# 5 Ken Norton 6'3 217 lb vs # 5 Jersey Joe Walcott 6' 196 lb


# 4 Larry Holmes 6'3 210 lb vs # 4 Ezzard Charles 6' 183 lb


# 3 George Foreman 6'3 220 lb vs # 3 Sonny Liston 6'1 215 lb


# 2 Joe Frazier 6' 205 lbs vs # 2 Rocky Marciano 5'11 187 lb


#1 Muhammad Ali 6'3 206 lb Vs # 1 Joe Louis 6'1 202 lbs

Ali decisions (if not TKO's) Louis

Marciano decisions Frazier in one of the bloodiest, and wildly sloppy battles ever witnessed

Liston decisions Foreman

Holmes wins a split decision over Ezzard Charles

Walcott decisions Norton and shows him what boxing wizardy really is

Patterson decisions Bivins

Moore scores a technical knockout over Ellis in 10-11 rounds

Quarry and Johansson have one hell of a contest while it lasted (3-5 rounds) with Quarry winning via KO

Ron Lyle weathers the storm to stop Elmer Ray in the 8th round

Williams kayos Shavers in one of the most insane slugfests of all time (two rounds)

[ronnyrains]

RING MAGAZINE: JERRY QUARRY
(PRE-BOUT WORLD RATINGS)

Quarry Opponent.................................Quarry Ranked
1967
Floyd Patterson No. 3...........................Unranked
Billy Daniels........................................No. 8
Floyd Patterson No. 5...........................No. 8
1968
Thad Spencer No. 2............................ No. 5
Jimmy Ellis No. 3................................ No. 2
Bob Mumford......................................No. 6
Willis Earls........................................ .No. 6
1969
Charley Reno......................................No. 5
Aaron Eastling.....................................No. 5
Buster Mathis No. 6.............................No. 4
Joe Frazier No. 1.................................No. 3
John Carroll........................................No. 4
Brian London......................................No. 4
George Chuvalo..................................No. 3
1970
Rufus Brassell.....................................No. 6
Scrap Iron Johnson.............................No. 6
McArthur Foster No. 1.........................No. 4
Stamford Harris..................................No. 1
Muhammad Ali.................................. No. 1
1971
Dick Gosha........................................No. 4
Tony Doyle........................................No. 4
Jack Bodell No. 8................................No. 3
Lou Bailey.........................................No. 2
197
Eduardo Corletti.................................No. 2
Larry Middleton No. 7.........................No. 2
Muhammad Ali No. 1...........................No. 2
1973
Randy Neumann................................Unranked
Ron Lyle No. 3.................................. Unranked
James J. Woody............................... No. 4
Tony Doyle.........................................No. 4
Earnie Shavers No. 6...........................No. 4
1974
Joe Alexander.....................................No. 3
Joe Frazier No. 2.................................No. 3
1975
Scrap Iron Johnson.............................No. 7
Ken Norton No. 4...............................No. 5