Adam Hollioake

[adamheight]

Adam Hollioake the former England cricketer makes his pro debut tonight at the Tatts club in Brisbane. Think he represented England in a few tests and a fair few more one dayers and also captained Surrey in county cricket...

Pretty interesting switch of sports to go from cricket to heavyweight boxing but I saw him in a charity fight on a Jamie Myer show last year and he seemed to go alright.

Fighting Leigh Blacka at heavyweight, will be interesting to see how he does.

here he is taking a wicket of steve waugh

[Brute]

Hollioake is an Australian who played cricket for England because he was not good enough to play for Australia.

[adamheight]

Hollioake is an Australian who played cricket for England because he was not good enough to play for Australia.

wow didn't expect that from you brute

**cue hounddawg to get amongst it** he doesnt miss an opp

[Brute]

It is a fact. Look at the Australian line up in his time and tell me who he would have replaced? He had a younger brother named Ben who played at the same time.
His brother was killed in a car accident in Western Australia in 2002.

[colin russell]

Settle Brute its just a plug for the fights at the Tatts Club.

[kylamy]

Hollioake is an Australian who played cricket for England because he was not good enough to play for Australia.

It's absolutely laughable, that at almost 41 years old, Mr. Hollioake was granted a license to fight, It would not happen in any other state in this country, he may have been a good cricketer, but this is Boxing, make a mistake and you get hurt, Simple as that.

I can only hope his opponent this evening, Leigh Blacka will not be disadvantaged, by the status shown to Mr. Hollioake already

Let's see how the resident clown can justify and will defend this ridiculous debut at almost 41 years old, I'll bet if it was in Victoria, he'd be slagging the shit out of them.

[dan h]

Wouldn't happen in any other state?

What about the state that sanctioned Briggs v Green. Or what about Mundine v Ellis at SMW after a 6 year lay off.

his AGE (almost 41) should not stop him from getting his licence if he has met the physical requirements. Otherwise he would have a case for a discrimination action.

[kylamy]

Wouldn't happen in any other state?

What about the state that sanctioned Briggs v Green. Or what about Mundine v Ellis at SMW after a 6 year lay off.

his AGE (almost 41) should not stop him from getting his licence if he has met the physical requirements. Otherwise he would have a case for a discrimination action.

Yes i agree with you to a point, Briggs v Green should never have happened, so should Mundine v Ellis, But in both cases, the fighter's concerned, had been either former World rated & regional Champions, or former World Champions, and have actually fought as professionals previously, but i still believe even in light of this, both those fights should not have happened and i said this publicly when these happened.

However, In this case, you have a guy making his professional debut at 41 years old, He's never fought before, He's a newbie, a novice, it's laughable, in the other Government controlled states, you cannot debut at 40 or 41 years old, and rightfully so.

This bit about discrimination does not stack up either in my view, because these same people, would happily litigate against the appropriate people, if something horrible was to happen, as a result of them being granted a license to fight, and something went horribly wrong.

Look, i would not know Mr. Hollioake if i fell over him, I do not know how physically fit he is, but you cannot tell me, that at 41 years old, his reflexes and/or resistance and hand/eye co-ordination will be that of a 20 or 25 year old, So really, he has no place being in there, and i feel the only reason he was granted a license, was because he has some fame as a previous sports person, no other reason, because i know of other's have been knocked back for a licence for being too old, by the very same people, it just shows of their double standards in my opinion.

So there has to be some common sense taken here, and 41 years old, is too old to debut, I bet if Leigh Blacka bashes him and puts him in hospital in a coma, let's watch for the Solicitors and legal people who have a "No win, No pay deal" then line up to get on the case, you cannot win either way, then watch the Qld ANBF run and duck for cover.

If you allow them to fight, and they get hurt, then someone is responsible, if they refuse their license on grounds of age, then they're discriminating, So there is no easy way out of this, except to say, there is an age limit and that's that, 41 years old is just to old to debut, no matter who you are.

If you've been an active fighter and then turn 40 or 41 such as say Bob Mirovic, then yes, maybe on a fight by fight basis like he was, But still, In the end the NSW Commission saw common sense and said to Bob, enough is enough, your only getting hurt and knocked about, because father time beats us all, This is what I told Big Bob after I refereed him vs. Alex Leapai, I could see that he had really slipped and was getting hurt, I stopped the fight concerned for his health and safety, and in order to save him the embarrassment of being knocked out cold, thus showing I would not have been be doing my job correctly.

Irrespective of what most of the supporters in here think, someone must take responsibility and act sensibly, after-all, it's just a sport, they're not fighting for sheep stations, and there's lots of living after boxing.

Finally, this is just my opinion after being in this sport for more than 50 years, I don't profess to be better than you, or smarter than you, I am probably or maybe just a little more experienced in the sport than you are?? who knows, but it's all about opinions, mine is, this is just so wrong, yours maybe it's all ok, it's a free world, so each to their own.

Cheers and best regards
Brad Vocale

[bollox]

In 1987 when George Foreman announced he was gonna fight again the issue of mandatory retirement / age limit to fight, came up. Then the talk died down and most forgot about it when George started bringing in the big bucks

[Brute]

It was not as if Foreman had never fought before. An Olympic Gold Medalist and former World Heavyweight Champion would have to be given a chance.

George had been only 28 when he first retired with a 45-2 record and 38 when he started again, which is a bit different from a man starting his professional career at 41.

[bollox]

He weighed over 300 pounds whe he made the announcement. If he'd had a heart attack and died during his first fight then maybe we wouldn't have to see so many old codgers still fighting when they should be well and truly retired

[Brute]

Was Butterbean ever that light?

Anyway, George was down to 267 when he got into the ring with Steve Zouska and 38 is a bit young for a heart attack unless there is an underlying problem.
George had been living the abstemious life of a preacher between his two careers.

[kylamy]

In 1987 when George Foreman announced he was gonna fight again the issue of mandatory retirement / age limit to fight, came up. Then the talk died down and most forgot about it when George started bringing in the big bucks

Bollox, Yes i recall, but not exactly, I know there was a fair bit of drama, they would not allow the fight in certain states of the US.

But today, the world is a different place when it comes to Boxing and safety issues etc, we now live in such a litigious world, we cannot afford to make mistakes, unless you live in Banana land where anything goes.

The sport today, is a better, safer and more regulated sport than back in the 80's even more than the 90's, So it makes lots of difference to fighter's like this, who are making their pro debut at aged 41.

Now Adam Hollioake may just be a good bloke and can fight, but that's not the issue here, the issue here is safety and what's right, where do we start and where do we finish, safety has no compromise and we need to maintain a standard.

Sadly, this standard is being met by some, but not others, I can only wish the bloke well, but remember this, this is his debut, his very first fight, Foreman in 1987, after his retirement, had previously been the world heavyweight Champion and from memory an Olympian, but i am not 100% on that, plus there was millions of $$$ for him, these factors i agree with you, over rode the safety concerns of age.

But here, we are talking a guy who's probably getting $1000 or $1500, maybe even $2000, hardly worth the effort at 41, and with risks,

Another thing that annoys me is the double standards of the resident grubby clown Sevsek, he highlights things if it were to take place in another state, but because it's his own state, it's ok, he does not want to say a thing and sticks up for his one and only mate, who is as much a sleaze and a fraud as what he is, they are defrauding the forum user's by trying to tell everyone they know what their talking about.

That's why i am hot on this issue, firstly the lack of safety concerns and double standards, and the second is his selective criticism of some issues and not others where his mate who is so clean and pure is the culprit.

As i said in a previous post, everyone to their own, some will agree, others will not, It's a free world and were all entitled to our opinions, I am happy to respect everyone else's opinion, whether i agree or not.

Regards
Brad

[Brute]

In 1987 when George Foreman announced he was gonna fight again the issue of mandatory retirement / age limit to fight, came up. Then the talk died down and most forgot about it when George started bringing in the big bucks

Bollox, Yes i recall, but not exactly, I know there was a fair bit of drama, they would not allow the fight in certain states of the US.

But today, the world is a different place when it comes to Boxing and safety issues etc, we now live in such a litigious world, we cannot afford to make mistakes, unless you live in Banana land where anything goes.

The sport today, is a better, safer and more regulated sport than back in the 80's even more than the 90's, So it makes lots of difference to fighter's like this, who are making their pro debut at aged 41.

Now Adam Hollioake may just be a good bloke and can fight, but that's not the issue here, the issue here is safety and what's right, where do we start and where do we finish, safety has no compromise and we need to maintain a standard.

Sadly, this standard is being met by some, but not others, I can only wish the bloke well, but remember this, this is his debut, his very first fight, Foreman in 1987, after his retirement, had previously been the world heavyweight Champion and from memory an Olympian, but i am not 100% on that, plus there was millions of $$$ for him, these factors i agree with you, over rode the safety concerns of age.

But here, we are talking a guy who's probably getting $1000 or $1500, maybe even $2000, hardly worth the effort at 41, and with risks,

Another thing that annoys me is the double standards of the resident grubby clown Sevsek, he highlights things if it were to take place in another state, but because it's his own state, it's ok, he does not want to say a thing and sticks up for his one and only mate, who is as much a sleaze and a fraud as what he is, they are defrauding the forum user's by trying to tell everyone they know what their talking about.

That's why i am hot on this issue, firstly the lack of safety concerns and double standards, and the second is his selective criticism of some issues and not others where his mate who is so clean and pure is the culprit.

As i said in a previous post, everyone to their own, some will agree, others will not, It's a free world and were all entitled to our opinions, I am happy to respect everyone else's opinion, whether i agree or not.

Regards
Brad

Foreman was the heavyweight Gold Medalist at the Mexico City Olympic Games in 1968. A great effort considering his entire amateur record was 22-4.

[kylamy]

In 1987 when George Foreman announced he was gonna fight again the issue of mandatory retirement / age limit to fight, came up. Then the talk died down and most forgot about it when George started bringing in the big bucks

Bollox, Yes i recall, but not exactly, I know there was a fair bit of drama, they would not allow the fight in certain states of the US.

But today, the world is a different place when it comes to Boxing and safety issues etc, we now live in such a litigious world, we cannot afford to make mistakes, unless you live in Banana land where anything goes.

The sport today, is a better, safer and more regulated sport than back in the 80's even more than the 90's, So it makes lots of difference to fighter's like this, who are making their pro debut at aged 41.

Now Adam Hollioake may just be a good bloke and can fight, but that's not the issue here, the issue here is safety and what's right, where do we start and where do we finish, safety has no compromise and we need to maintain a standard.

Sadly, this standard is being met by some, but not others, I can only wish the bloke well, but remember this, this is his debut, his very first fight, Foreman in 1987, after his retirement, had previously been the world heavyweight Champion and from memory an Olympian, but i am not 100% on that, plus there was millions of $$$ for him, these factors i agree with you, over rode the safety concerns of age.

But here, we are talking a guy who's probably getting $1000 or $1500, maybe even $2000, hardly worth the effort at 41, and with risks,

Another thing that annoys me is the double standards of the resident grubby clown Sevsek, he highlights things if it were to take place in another state, but because it's his own state, it's ok, he does not want to say a thing and sticks up for his one and only mate, who is as much a sleaze and a fraud as what he is, they are defrauding the forum user's by trying to tell everyone they know what their talking about.

That's why i am hot on this issue, firstly the lack of safety concerns and double standards, and the second is his selective criticism of some issues and not others where his mate who is so clean and pure is the culprit.

As i said in a previous post, everyone to their own, some will agree, others will not, It's a free world and were all entitled to our opinions, I am happy to respect everyone else's opinion, whether i agree or not.

Regards
Brad

Foreman was the heavyweight Gold Medalist at the Mexico City Olympic Games in 1968. A great effort considering his entire amateur record was 22-4.

Yes he really was a terrific person and a good fighter, a complex man, but a good person, who could fight, many thought he was a late circus act when he returned, but he silenced a few of them, I was a rap on him, and he did more good for the sport than bad, in my opinion

[AntonS]

In main event, Aloua beat McCracken on Spit Decision

[Brute]

Hollioake seems to be a rotund heavyweight.

[kylamy]

Hollioake seems to be a rotund heavyweight.

Brute, As i said, He may even be a good fighter, and won last night< just spoke to Black's trainer who said his boy was not as fit as could have been, but they offer no excuses, he did dislocate his shoulder in the fight, but carried on, he was down twice which had nothing to do with the shoulder.

However, in my opinion and that of many of the other industry participants, Hollioake should not be allowed to debut at aged 41, well anywhere but Queensland where they set their own rules irrespective of what others do.

Also heard from many that the decision in the Main event, was one of the worst decision's in years, I am told, by others who were present, McCracken won 7 rounds and lost a split.

His Trainer is absolutely furious, vowing to never fight in Qld again, but it's funny tho, Cos i told him there is a real chance of that happening, Many of those involved are simply star worshippers, who favor certain fighters and their teams, irrespective of the result, its also the same few officials are always on any show which involves the Mundines, so go figure

[N2 Shape]

Id suggest watching the trailor to "After the Last Round" can be found at afterthelastround.com then decide if its sensible to mess around with the sportand treat it like a game

[adamheight]

Bear in mind thus guy was a pro athlete his whole career... Not a truck driver.

[Brute]

First Class Cricket is hardly the World's toughest sport.

[adamheight]

Your continued negativity really fcukin pisses me off mate to be honest.
Do you ever have anything positive to say about boxing?

Hollioake is a fit 41 year old. He proved that last night, yet people still get on here and bag him....guys like you moan this sport is dying in this country, then a high profile sportsman, turna his attention to boxing. Makes a pro debut at 41, wins by tko, yet you still get on here amd slag him off..

This is why I don't post in these forums anymore.

[Brute]

Your continued negativity really fcukin pisses me off mate to be honest.
Do you ever have anything positive to say about boxing?

Hollioake is a fit 41 year old. He proved that last night, yet people still get on here and bag him....guys like you moan this sport is dying in this country, then a high profile sportsman, turna his attention to boxing. Makes a pro debut at 41, wins by tko, yet you still get on here amd slag him off..

This is why I don't post in these forums anymore.

He well may be a fit 41 year old but Doug Walters was a better cricketer and he never trained. Ian Botham was probably England's greatest all rounder of the last 50 years and he had an arse like a pregnant barmaid.

[adamheight]

Your continued negativity really fcukin pisses me off mate to be honest.
Do you ever have anything positive to say about boxing?

Hollioake is a fit 41 year old. He proved that last night, yet people still get on here and bag him....guys like you moan this sport is dying in this country, then a high profile sportsman, turna his attention to boxing. Makes a pro debut at 41, wins by tko, yet you still get on here amd slag him off..

This is why I don't post in these forums anymore.

He well may be a fit 41 year old but Doug Walters was a better cricketer and he never trained. Ian Botham was probably England's greatest all rounder of the last 50 years and he had an arse like a pregnant barmaid.

Brute, is that the same Ian Botham who smashed Merv Hughes for 22 in one over at the gabba back in 88? Lol

[Brute]

Your continued negativity really fcukin pisses me off mate to be honest.
Do you ever have anything positive to say about boxing?

Hollioake is a fit 41 year old. He proved that last night, yet people still get on here and bag him....guys like you moan this sport is dying in this country, then a high profile sportsman, turna his attention to boxing. Makes a pro debut at 41, wins by tko, yet you still get on here amd slag him off..

This is why I don't post in these forums anymore.

He well may be a fit 41 year old but Doug Walters was a better cricketer and he never trained. Ian Botham was probably England's greatest all rounder of the last 50 years and he had an arse like a pregnant barmaid.

Brute, is that the same Ian Botham who smashed Merv Hughes for 22 in one over at the gabba back in 88? Lol

That's him, known otherwise as "Guy the Gorilla" or sometimes "Tin Bum" after an Indian announcer once introduced him as "Iron Bottom." Always in trouble with the MCC but a deceptive medium pace bowler who could usually come up with the runs when needed.

383 wickets and 5200 runs in 102 Tests.