First controversy you saw, how long did it take?

[scallum]

It's before my time and I never really heard anything about Holmes/Spinks, what was controversial about it?

If I remember correct sum thought Larry won. I read sum an article that said sumthing about sum did not like his comments about the Rock n may have influnced the judging

The comments about Marciano were made after the fight.

I think it was the second fight

[gilgamesh]

My bad scallum, I should've known you were talking about Holmes-Michael Spinks, for some reason my head just jumped to Holmes vs Leon Spinks and I was thinking "What was supposed to be controversial about that one?"...now that I know you're talking about the Michael Spinks fight, I got ya.

[elmersalsa]

Duran vs Leonard II... It was a bizarre ending. November 25, 1980. I still feel the pain of that fight.

Whats your take on what happened that night, Elmer?

Sugar Ray caught Duran in an off night, friends. It was Duran's own fault that he did not trained himself properly like he did on the first fight in Montreal.

I also read a report about it leading up to the second fight. One poster, who is not here in this forum (elton john), brought it up. But I read the report for days, way before he brought it up.

No Mas, No Mas... A painful night for me and the great Roberto Duran's fans.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Duran vs Leonard II... It was a bizarre ending. November 25, 1980. I still feel the pain of that fight.

Whats your take on what happened that night, Elmer?

Sugar Ray caught Duran in an off night, friends. It was Duran's own fault that he did not trained himself properly like he did on the first fight in Montreal.

I also read a report about it leading up to the second fight. One poster, who is not here in this forum (elton john), brought it up. But I read the report for days, way before he brought it up.

No Mas, No Mas... A painful night for me and the great Roberto Duran's fans.

The first line reads like it was a barfight. You would never know it was a Boxing match, signed off on months prior and with millions of dollars and a World Title at stake

Elton John!? The guy whose life work it was to heap sh!t on Leonard? LOL. I loved EJ's humour, sure, but it was his one-man mission to destroy Leonard's reputation and popularity. I think someone even worked out EJ actually lived near Leonard, and posited the idea his grudge was owing to a dispute over a garden patch EJ wanted to install which Ray objected to, or a dispute during a neighbourhood Watch meeting

The reality is Duran should not have been paid for one of the most appalling acts of that era.

[Datsue]

Hearns vs Leonard II.

I was so ickle (or, possibly, retarded) that when the American commentator mentioned Hearns had a glass jaw, I imagined some sort of ghastly crystalline mandible replacement surgery had taken place on the Hitman.

[Ezzard]

Probably a bit hard on boxing.

Follow any sport and there are controversies.

[BoxBuzz]

Yep, but most "games" aren't debated years later as to "who really won"......or are they?

[BoxBuzz]

Whats your take on what happened that night, Elmer?

Sugar Ray caught Duran in an off night, friends. It was Duran's own fault that he did not trained himself properly like he did on the first fight in Montreal.

I also read a report about it leading up to the second fight. One poster, who is not here in this forum (elton john), brought it up. But I read the report for days, way before he brought it up.

No Mas, No Mas... A painful night for me and the great Roberto Duran's fans.

The first line reads like it was a barfight. You would never know it was a Boxing match, signed off on months prior and with millions of dollars and a World Title at stake

Elton John!? The guy whose life work it was to heap sh!t on Leonard? LOL. I loved EJ's humour, sure, but it was his one-man mission to destroy Leonard's reputation and popularity. I think someone even worked out EJ actually lived near Leonard, and posited the idea his grudge was owing to a dispute over a garden patch EJ wanted to install which Ray objected to, or a dispute during a neighbourhood Watch meeting

The reality is Duran should not have been paid for one of the most appalling acts of that era.

Some have surmised that he avoided evacuating his bowels vs the "no mas" moment. If so, I'm just as happy not to have seen that lol. In fact he should have been paid a bonus for not exposing the public to such a display.

[Ezzard]

Yep, but most "games" aren't debated years later as to "who really won"......or are they?

Just the rules and what constitutes a win.

In football the team who plays best doesn't always win. But die-hards will say well who scored the most goals? Plenty of poor decisions effect the matches though.

Thing is there's always another game to move on to. And teams play each other so often that there's always a chance at revenge. In boxing we're lucky if two of the best fight each other once.

[scallum]

My bad scallum, I should've known you were talking about Holmes-Michael Spinks, for some reason my head just jumped to Holmes vs Leon Spinks and I was thinking "What was supposed to be controversial about that one?"...now that I know you're talking about the Michael Spinks fight, I got ya.

No probs. I had actually 4got he fought Leon