Golden Gloves Tournaments now in Jeopardy with USA Boxing.

[Athorn4941]

Golden Gloves Tournaments now in Jeopardy with USA Boxing.

We want to provide an update to all USA Boxing members on the status of the 2012 National Golden Gloves
Tournament that is scheduled for April 29-May 5 in Mesquite, Nevada. The Golden Gloves will not be
conducting the 2012 National Tournament in compliance with the USA Boxing rules.
The first several rounds of the tournament will not be conducted using three, three-minute rounds, and the
entire tournament will not be using the approved computer scoring system. The USA Boxing Board of
Directors approved these rules last year. We have tried to work with the Golden Gloves leadership over the
prior year to become compliant with all rules. The purpose of following the technical rules of USA Boxing is
to provide a similar competition platform that is witnessed for Team USA when we are competing
internationally.
We have had limited international opportunities in properly preparing the U.S. team, and it is an initiative
of the USA Boxing leadership to provide similar national events that our athletes will see when competing
internationally.
Since USA Boxing was notified so late that Golden Gloves was not going to follow these technical rules, we
could have cancelled the event as USA Boxing sanctions it. USA Boxing will allow the 2012 National Golden
Gloves Tournament to be conducted as planned to benefit the athletes and to avoid any travel plans being
cancelled. However, we wanted to inform you that the individual champions of the 2012 National Golden
Gloves Tournament will not be automatically qualified into the 2013 USA Boxing National Championships.
I look forward to watching the athletes compete at the 2012 National Golden Gloves Tournament next
week. If you have any questions on this, please contact me.

[Athorn4941]

What the hell is going on. Is there going to be any tournaments left to even enter the way it is going.

[usaboxingmetrony]

Why. what the heck is going on with USA boxing . Silver gloves and now this.? Smh

[T Duquette]

Why. what the heck is going on with USA boxing . Silver gloves and now this.? Smh

Its not USA Boxing. Its the individuals that are in charge of the National Golden and Silver Gloves. It seems like it is their intent to start a seperate autonomous organization.

[westsidejab]

Why. what the heck is going on with USA boxing . Silver gloves and now this.? Smh

Its not USA Boxing. Its the individuals that are in charge of the National Golden and Silver Gloves. It seems like it is their intent to start a seperate autonomous organization.

That is simply not true. You need look no further then Hal Adonis, Anthony Barkowski, and Stan Nichols. These three stooges are trying to destroy anything in amateur boxing they can not control. The Golden Gloves and Silver Gloves were around long before any of them knew what amateur boxing was and will be around long after they have left the scene, which may not be too much longer at the rate they are screwing everything up.

[northend]

T Duquette is correct it is not USA boxing it is Ray Rogers and Jim Beasley they do not want to follow the rules they want to make up there own rules IF its not good for ray or jim they dont want anything to do with the sport they careonly for them selves not for the kids or the sport

[westsidejab]

T Duquette is correct it is not USA boxing it is Ray Rogers and Jim Beasley they do not want to follow the rules they want to make up there own rules IF its not good for ray or jim they dont want anything to do with the sport they careonly for them selves not for the kids or the sport

I will not argue with you over your ridiculous statement, Ray Rodgers and Jim Beasley have done more for amateur boxing then Hal Adonis, Anthony Barkowski, and Stan Nichols all put together. USA Boxing (the three stooges) can not make up rules on the fly and then say a group member is not following them. USA Boxing (the three stooges) went to war with the Silver Gloves and the Golden Gloves because they could not control them so they have now set out to destroy them. These programs have been around long before USA Boxing and will be around long after USA Boxing is gone. Regardless of what Hal Adonis said in his letter there WILL be a Silver Gloves tournament next year. You can take that to the bank!

[clarkringone]

My keen senses tell me you don't really like Stan. I don't know how or why an official would be involved with these type of decisions. The bad part is that the ones who lose by not having Golden or Silver gloves is the boxers. The boxer is supposed to be our priority, not the ones to suffer. USA and thier member groups need to work this out.

[westsidejab]

My keen senses tell me you don't really like Stan. I don't know how or why an official would be involved with these type of decisions. The bad part is that the ones who lose by not having Golden or Silver gloves is the boxers. The boxer is supposed to be our priority, not the ones to suffer. USA and thier member groups need to work this out.

I honestly do not have any bitter personal feelings towards Stan Nichols, Anthony Barkowski, Hal Adonis, or anyone else in a leadership role at USA Boxing. My words are not based on the people per se as much as it is about the way that they conduct business. I have a problem with the way that the leaders of USA Boxing are abusing their power with backroom deals that materialize their own personal agendas and then ostracize the successful group members who do not follow every rule that they make up on the spot as they go. You’re right when you say this should be about the boxers, but unfortunately in the eyes of USA Boxing it is not, it is about what they can do to continually harass the group members and then not live up to the same rules they have set in place for everyone else. I am sure that these are good men in their own right, but they are not good or right for amateur boxing.

[northend]

westsidejab you accuse these people of breaking rules and making backroom deals yet you dont show any proof of broken rules or backroom deals maybe just maybe if golden gloves followed the rules this wouldnt be going on because gloden gloves is breaking the rules

[T Duquette]

T Duquette is correct it is not USA boxing it is Ray Rogers and Jim Beasley they do not want to follow the rules they want to make up there own rules IF its not good for ray or jim they dont want anything to do with the sport they careonly for them selves not for the kids or the sport

I will not argue with you over your ridiculous statement, Ray Rodgers and Jim Beasley have done more for amateur boxing then Hal Adonis, Anthony Barkowski, and Stan Nichols all put together. USA Boxing (the three stooges) can not make up rules on the fly and then say a group member is not following them. USA Boxing (the three stooges) went to war with the Silver Gloves and the Golden Gloves because they could not control them so they have now set out to destroy them. These programs have been around long before USA Boxing and will be around long after USA Boxing is gone. Regardless of what Hal Adonis said in his letter there WILL be a Silver Gloves tournament next year. You can take that to the bank!

Of course USA Boxing can make the rules and enforce them. USA Boxing is the entity that has been given the responsibility to govern amateur boxing in the United States by the USOC. Making such claims makes you sound childish. And the rules being enforced are not unreasonable. The Golden and Silver Gloves are simply being asked to use the proper amount of time for each round and to employ the ESS scoring system. If we are to succeed internationally, our boxers must get used to the type of boxing that is rewarded at the international level. Why this is being met with such aversion is beyond me.

I don't care if Ray Rodgers and Jim Beasley invented amateur boxing. Our sport is greater than Ray Rodgers, Jim Beasley, or any individual for that matter. Hopefully the people in charge of the golden/silver gloves come to this realization soon so that our kids can have their tournament back.

[westsidejab]

T Duquette is correct it is not USA boxing it is Ray Rogers and Jim Beasley they do not want to follow the rules they want to make up there own rules IF its not good for ray or jim they dont want anything to do with the sport they careonly for them selves not for the kids or the sport

I will not argue with you over your ridiculous statement, Ray Rodgers and Jim Beasley have done more for amateur boxing then Hal Adonis, Anthony Barkowski, and Stan Nichols all put together. USA Boxing (the three stooges) can not make up rules on the fly and then say a group member is not following them. USA Boxing (the three stooges) went to war with the Silver Gloves and the Golden Gloves because they could not control them so they have now set out to destroy them. These programs have been around long before USA Boxing and will be around long after USA Boxing is gone. Regardless of what Hal Adonis said in his letter there WILL be a Silver Gloves tournament next year. You can take that to the bank!

Of course USA Boxing can make the rules and enforce them. USA Boxing is the entity that has been given the responsibility to govern amateur boxing in the United States by the USOC. Making such claims makes you sound childish. And the rules being enforced are not unreasonable. The Golden and Silver Gloves are simply being asked to use the proper amount of time for each round and to employ the ESS scoring system. If we are to succeed internationally, our boxers must get used to the type of boxing that is rewarded at the international level. Why this is being met with such aversion is beyond me.

I don't care if Ray Rodgers and Jim Beasley invented amateur boxing. Our sport is greater than Ray Rodgers, Jim Beasley, or any individual for that matter. Hopefully the people in charge of the golden/silver gloves come to this realization soon so that our kids can have their tournament back.

I am not going to list the various ways that the USAB three stooges are corrupt because honestly there are too many to announce, besides they will all be exposed in the next few months anyway. If the allegations were NOT true then Hal Adonis would not feel like he needed to defend the USAB leadership in his latest newsletter.
As far as the Golden Gloves go, USAB might want to pack a lunch because that is a fight they will not win, not now and not ever. The Golden Gloves and Silver Gloves are the most popular and well run amateur boxing tournaments in the sport. Even if the USAB were to kill them they would be killing themselves because the member of the boxing community would rise up against this ridiculous abuse of power.
USAB needs to focus on their own tournaments and quit trying to mettle into other programs by creating rules that are aimed only at harassing the group memberships.
If this were NOT an attack on the group membership then Hal Adonis would not have threatened the members of USAB of suspension if they participated in the Silver Gloves. Guess what, they should have spoken/or listened to their legal advisors because that is illegal. USAB can’t discriminate against the Silver Gloves by not sanctioning their event because they gave up their group membership because the USOC will slap them back to reality. For Anthony Barkowski to send out a letter stating that he would allow the Golden Gloves to have a tournament like he was doing them a favor is another form of harassment. Anthony Barkowski needs to take his fat butt back to women’s fencing or wherever he came from because he obviously knows nothing about amateur boxing.
The three stooges at USAB are ruining the sport that we love. If this were truly about the boxers then all of this pettiness would be dropped. Their days are numbered now and they know it.

[westsidejab]

Our sport is greater than any individual for that matter.

I wish Hal Adonis could get that through his head.

[T Duquette]

Our sport is greater than any individual for that matter.

I wish Hal Adonis could get that through his head.

Like I said before, you sound like a child. Lets address the facts: (1st) The silver gloves refused to let young females parrticipate and were ordered to by USAB. (2nd) The golden/silver gloves refused to employ the new scoring system and refused to use the correct timing for each round despite whether the fight was in the preliminaries or not. Again, USAB ordered them to comply with these important rules.

westsidejab, do you think these rules are unfair?

"USAB needs to focus on their own tournaments and quit trying to mettle into other programs by creating rules that are aimed only at harassing the group memberships."

Westside, these are USAB tournaments, thats the point. Any amateur boxing tournament in the US is as USAB tournament... Whether these particular people you speak of are "corrupt" or not doesnt matter. These rules are good rules and should be followed.

[northend]

westsidejab again you come on here with no proof just you running your mouth here are some facts for you your buddy ray rogers is suspened from usa boxing for not letting the kids from hawaii enter the silver gloves because he does not like them and as a member of the golden gloves board he agreeded to the rules of usa boxing when they became a group member know when he does not get his way he acts like a child and wants to take his ball and go home they just need to follow the rules they agreed to and work to make boxing better

[westsidejab]

Like I said before, you sound like a child. Lets address the facts: (1st) The silver gloves refused to let young females parrticipate and were ordered to by USAB.

That is where you are dead wrong and need to get your facts straight regarding the Silver Gloves.
There was just not enough interest in girls boxing in the years past to financially provide a National tournament for the girls. Now that there is the interest there it would be logical to have two separate tournaments because these are young men and women whose hormones are raging. The liability issues regarding this matter are a time bomb waiting to go off. These are children.

(2nd) The golden/silver gloves refused to employ the new scoring system and refused to use the correct timing for each round despite whether the fight was in the preliminaries or not. Again, USAB ordered them to comply with these important rules.

If you added the women to the Golden Gloves tournament and all rounds were three minutes in length then you would have a two week tournament. Even if the women were not added there would not be enough time. That is just not feasible.

westsidejab, do you think these rules are unfair?

Altering the rules to any Golden Gloves tournament because you think it will put our boxers on an even playing field internationally is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my life. If a boxer can fight it does not matter what rules they are under they will find a way to win. The Golden Gloves has had many great champions go on to win the Gold at the Olympics. Regardlessof electronic scoring or clickers, winners find a way to win. Guess what? The amount of tape or gauze that a boxer has on their hand does not make them any better of a boxer either. Once again, if a person can fight then the rest does not matter.

Westside, these are USAB tournaments, thats the point. Any amateur boxing tournament in the US is as USAB tournament... Whether these particular people you speak of are "corrupt" or not doesnt matter. These rules are good rules and should be followed.

The rules are not good. They are ridiculous. Stick to what you know which does not seem to be much more then what your told.

westsidejab again you come on here with no proof just you running your mouth here are some facts for you your buddy ray rogers is suspened from usa boxing for not letting the kids from hawaii enter the silver gloves because he does not like them and as a member of the golden gloves board he agreeded to the rules of usa boxing when they became a group member know when he does not get his way he acts like a child and wants to take his ball and go home they just need to follow the rules they agreed to and work to make boxing better

Ok Northend lets play – How about the fact that one of the three stooges (Stan Nichols) was allowed to file or be part of 18 grievances filed against Mr. Ray Rodgers and 17 of the 18 were found to be frivolous harassment. The one that he was found guilty of he was blatantly lied on by Stan Nichols himself. Yet, when Stan Nichols was found GUILTY of a grievance and told to write an apology letter to Mr. Ray Rodgers along with other stipulations do you think USAB held him to the same standards. Why don’t you ask Mr. Ray Rodgers if he ever received that apology letter? I will tell you the answer, he never got it and the USAB did not enforce it either.

I will be so glad when Joe Smith runs for President and kicks Hal Adonis between his political butt cheeks when he takes office. Joe Smith as the USAB President will be a beautiful sight for my sore eyes.

[T Duquette]

That is where you are dead wrong and need to get your facts straight regarding the Silver Gloves.
There was just not enough interest in girls boxing in the years past to financially provide a National tournament for the girls. Now that there is the interest there it would be logical to have two separate tournaments because these are young men and women whose hormones are raging. The liability issues regarding this matter are a time bomb waiting to go off. These are children.

Give me a break. The golden/silver gloves quite obviously thinks that our females are less important than our males. Do you cite "raging hormones" for keeping the 2 golden gloves tournaments seperate?

If you added the women to the Golden Gloves tournament and all rounds were three minutes in length then you would have a two week tournament. Even if the women were not added there would not be enough time. That is just not feasible.

It seems pretty feasible every year at the US championships. Take a look at the recent re-load tournament, it was feasible there, no? And since you want to attack me and accuse me of not having my facts straight I think I should point out to you that women do not do 3 minute rounds as you falsely stated above. They do 4 minute rounds. So who needs to get their facts straight?

Altering the rules to any Golden Gloves tournament because you think it will put our boxers on an even playing field internationally is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my life. If a boxer can fight it does not matter what rules they are under they will find a way to win. The Golden Gloves has had many great champions go on to win the Gold at the Olympics. Regardlessof electronic scoring or clickers, winners find a way to win. Guess what? The amount of tape or gauze that a boxer has on their hand does not make them any better of a boxer either. Once again, if a person can fight then the rest does not matter.

Ray... I mean westside... amateur boxing that is judged the old way (whether your talking paper scoring or clicker scoring) is a different sport than amateur boxing the way it is judged nowadays. It takes a different style to succeed using the new ESS scoring system. If our boxers arent adequetly exposed to this system then they will never get the chance to adapt to this style. Its like throwing professional football players into a rugby game. Your argument is a reductive one and is indicative of the type of thought youve put into this whole disagreement. And if you really believe that "it does not matter what rules they are under they will find a way to win" then why don't you just comply?

The rules are not good. They are ridiculous. Stick to what you know which does not seem to be much more then what your told.

Told? What am I told? And by whom? I observe, I listen and I know how to filter information. Ive been competing in USAB tournaments for 12 years, Im not some bitter old man who thinks that the sport is all about me.

Do you have any other condescending comments or did I just win?

[westsidejab]

Tommy,
First, this is not Ray Rodgers. I am a supporter of Joe Smith and hope that he will beat Hal Adonis to become our new USAB President. Joe has made it clear that he is going to run for office and we need someone like him to clean up the leadership at USAB.

Why do you think that USAB has group members? They have them so that group members can have their own programs that are unique to their program. If all programs are going to be the same then there would be no need for group members.
We need diversified programs because it is good for the sport.

USAB needs to leave group members alone and start focusing more on going out and raising funds for their own economically ill organization. USAB needs to stop making problems and pissing off the best boxing people in the country.
Silver Gloves and Golden Gloves are the two best amateur boxing programs in the country. They are being attacked out of stupidity and vindictiveness of the three stooges.

It is less then 100 days before the Olympics and USAB has yet to name our Olympic Coaching Staff because they are too focused on harassing the Silver Gloves and Golden Gloves.
I hate to tell you this Tommy but regardless of how much ass you kiss you will never make the Olympic team so get that out of your head.

Joe Smith for USAB President in 2012. Go JOE!

[T Duquette]

Tommy,
First, this is not Ray Rodgers. I am a supporter of Joe Smith and hope that he will beat Hal Adonis to become our new USAB President. Joe has made it clear that he is going to run for office and we need someone like him to clean up the leadership at USAB.

What kind of endorsement can you really be if you are afraid to tell everybody your real name. He has certainly lost any chance of getting my vote because of your nonsense.

Why do you think that USAB has group members? They have them so that group members can have their own programs that are unique to their program. If all programs are going to be the same then there would be no need for group members.
We need diversified programs because it is good for the sport.

Diversified members, sure, as long as they follow the rules. Standardization is extremely important to any healthy organization.

I hate to tell you this Tommy but regardless of how much ass you kiss you will never make the Olympic team so get that out of your head.

Pal, im not sure if you are aware of this but the US Olympic Team has already been decided and no, Im not a member of it. I lost in the trials to Jamel Herring who went on to win the re-load tournament and will go on to do a great job representing us in the Olympics im sure. Furthermore, I have no intention of sticking around and trying to make any Olympic Teams in the future. But i'll tell you what, after saying some shit like that you are probably better off concealing your identity because you don't want to see me.

I don't know Joe Smith, maybe he's a great guy and would make an excellent president, but I can tell you one thing: he just lost the athlete's vote and he has you to blame for that.

[boxmel]

I can't believe I've been missing all the fun!

The Golden and Silver Gloves are simply being asked to use the proper amount of time for each round and to employ the ESS scoring system. If we are to succeed internationally, our boxers must get used to the type of boxing that is rewarded at the international level. Why this is being met with such aversion is beyond me.

All Group Members (GG, SG, National PAL, NCBA) must sign a yearly contract with USA Boxing in which they agree to adhere to all USA Boxing's rules and regulations with approved exceptions. Golden Gloves has been told for years to do all 3-3 minute rounds in their championships and use the computer scoring. They have continually refused to adhere. In my opinion, USAB hasn't been pushy enough and has consistently wimped out.

I have heard that Ray Rodgers pulled Silver Gloves as a Group Member several months ago. I do know that, recently, he was suspended for one year for his refusal to allow Hawaii to participate in the Silver Gloves. Females did compete in the 2012 national championships - that was not an issue. Nor were there any problems having both sexes there.

I think both attitudes speak to the egos and power of the people in charge of both the GG and SG. In my opinion, neither of them have the athlete's best interests at heart.

[jdf]

Ive never had the privlidge of using the ESS scoring system. Not sure how it's different but if thats what it takes for boxers to learn to compete internationally then it sounds to me even USAB might be slipping a little with that one with only using it at nationals. Sounds like it needs to be used as a training tool.....i dont know.

I hate seeing turmoil in the sport. I did think we were using 3-3 minute rounds in the GG championship bouts....pretty sure.
I do not personally know mr. Bartkowski or mr. Adonis so i cant speak for or against either. I do know Ray Rodgers, Jim Beasly and Stan Nichols. I am a personal friend of mr. Ray, i respect him much and hold him in very high regaurd. I have not been around mr. Jim no where near as much but have a lot of respect for him also. They seem to me men of great character. Call me old school, but i place a lot in a man's word and character. I also know mr. Nichols.......and i don't like his character.
I think thats all I'll say on this matter......Thankyou

[westsidejab]

The only advantage to paying the dues to be a group member with USA Boxing is so that each tournament can be slightly different then the others. If the goal of USAB is to standardize all tournaments across the board then what is the need to be a group member anymore? The Silver Gloves did not send a team to the Junior Olympics last year and that was a tournament they dominated almost every year. The Silver Gloves does not forward boxers to any international competition so that is not an issue either. The Golden Gloves do not advance any boxers internationally either and the Olympic qualifying process is a joke. If we take personalities out of the equation and just let the facts speak for themselves, there is no longer a valid reason for being a group member with USAB anymore. USAB needs to leave the group members alone and get back to staffing our Olympic Coaching team since we are less then 100 days until the Olympics.