Grange old school card

[ratter]

What happened to the Grange card that was Surpose to be on in newcastle? Looked like being a great card

[Hounddawg]

I don't know either mate, but Aus boxing is starting to avert back to 2009, the last 2 years of Australian boxing has been the best, and this year thus far has produced no where near the level of first class matchups.

This card was great and the same mould as the 2010 and 2011 years, it disappears and apart from the Tomlinson card, the rest of the cards look so c level, it's hard to get excited.


Comn Grange give us another 3 or so steller cards.

[Brute]

This isn't the Bennett/Armah card at Newcastle Panthers on May 18, is it?

[Mark pawsey]

I don't know either mate, but Aus boxing is starting to avert back to 2009, the last 2 years of Australian boxing has been the best, and this year thus far has produced no where near the level of first class matchups.

This card was great and the same mould as the 2010 and 2011 years, it disappears and apart from the Tomlinson card, the rest of the cards look so c level, it's hard to get excited.


Comn Grange give us another 3 or so steller cards.

Maybe they don't want to lose money

[ratter]

No its not that card..can't remember the card but cronje was fighting Amman.
Don't like to see anyone lose money and i kno boxing a tough game but grange has done enough cards to kno if there going to lose money. They put on a good show and you get your moneys worth.not like these blokes who put terrible shows on and just try to rob everyone and then wonder why there not successful.

[Mark pawsey]

No its not that card..can't remember the card but cronje was fighting Amman.
Don't like to see anyone lose money and i kno boxing a tough game but grange has done enough cards to kno if there going to lose money. They put on a good show and you get your moneys worth.not like these blokes who put terrible shows on and just try to rob everyone and then wonder why there not successful.

Well maybe they seen that the card wasn't going to viable so they didn't go ahead with it, define success alot of promotors have come & gone, the ones that go broke are the ones that put on the best cards, your saying that the promotors who put on shit cards aren't successful thats not true the ones that put shit cards are the ones that are successful.

[Da Voice]

No its not that card..can't remember the card but cronje was fighting Amman.
Don't like to see anyone lose money and i kno boxing a tough game but grange has done enough cards to kno if there going to lose money. They put on a good show and you get your moneys worth.not like these blokes who put terrible shows on and just try to rob everyone and then wonder why there not successful.

Well maybe they seen that the card wasn't going to viable so they didn't go ahead with it, define success alot of promotors have come & gone, the ones that go broke are the ones that put on the best cards, your saying that the promotors who put on shit cards aren't successful thats not true the ones that put shit cards are the ones that are successful.

Lets face it Mark. 60% of patrons are there for night of entertainment. They get on the slops & just wanna see guys KOd....couldn't care less about combatant's credentials nor title.
True boxing followers generally reserve a seat. Most corporate tables are there 'cos bossman coughed-up coin and most wouldn't know a boxer if they fell over one....stand ups are mostly piss pots

[ratter]

I think the promoters who go broke go into it with no business plan and no finance behind them they try and make quick money.i worked at my business over 80 hours a week to make hardly any money for 2 years everything went back in the business i stuck with the best produce i could get.after the 2 year i started to see good rewards.its only now after 8.5 years I've cut back working hours Im far from a billionaire but would say my business is quite successful.... Me personally would not promote fights.but if your ever been to las Vegas golden boy pro go alright and are successful why because they put on the best shows and prob lost money at the start.i think Brian and Barry go alright to because they put on good shows.there shows are always packed.

[Da Voice]

Over the years, numerous successful businessman were conned into promoting boxing by know alls, telling them how easy it was.
e.g. Keiran O'Connor http://boxrec.com/list_shows.php?human_ ... t=promoter
had a very good property management business. When he found himself in the shit, he ventured into trust accounts to get himself out of the shit. Jupters Casino show was the end of him.
Guess who was his advisor on that occasion ??

Mr Caraddona is another story (which by now I'm sure you're well aware of). Others simply didn't have coin to scratch themselves with & should've never been granted a licence

[Da Voice]

Years ago NSW Authority required promoters to lodge 5k in the event promotion was a failure so it would cover costs. Eventually, requirement was ditched 'cos at times the bill was way over 5k

[Brute]

This is the first time I heard of Billy Treacy not going ahead with fights.

When we were teenagers in Merrylands in the 60s he was always in fights, just not in the ring.

[ratter]

Your right there brute..I've seen him in plenty up at the coolibah and plenty when he played A grade for
He was one of the toughest bloke I've seen we where kids playing for merrylands and we use to stay back andvwatch him play A grade because he would always have a fight

[Brute]

One of the old mob was invited down to Campbelltown some year ago to see Billy's gym.

Jeff Fenech was there and kept giving this bloke suspicious looks. Finished up Bill told Fenech that the bloke was one of his oldest and best mates and to stop being silly.

[Mark pawsey]

No its not that card..can't remember the card but cronje was fighting Amman.
Don't like to see anyone lose money and i kno boxing a tough game but grange has done enough cards to kno if there going to lose money. They put on a good show and you get your moneys worth.not like these blokes who put terrible shows on and just try to rob everyone and then wonder why there not successful.

Well maybe they seen that the card wasn't going to viable so they didn't go ahead with it, define success alot of promotors have come & gone, the ones that go broke are the ones that put on the best cards, your saying that the promotors who put on shit cards aren't successful thats not true the ones that put shit cards are the ones that are successful.

Lets face it Mark. 60% of patrons are there for night of entertainment. They get on the slops & just wanna see guys KOd....couldn't care less about combatant's credentials nor title.
True boxing followers generally reserve a seat. Most corporate tables are there 'cos bossman coughed-up coin and most wouldn't know a boxer if they fell over one....stand ups are mostly piss pots

I have to agree with you on this one, I remember when Angelo Hyder had Hayden Knowles fighting http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer, he was Danny Greens fitness trainer or some shit. I heard he sold 20 tables the fight was on foxtel he's not even a boxer. I bet there would of been plenty of proper boxers they could of put on the card, but a proper boxer wouldn't be able to sell that many tickets, how many of them people that came to see him fight would of came to the next promotion? Probably none

[Mark pawsey]

Over the years, numerous successful businessman were conned into promoting boxing by know alls, telling them how easy it was.
e.g. Keiran O'Connor http://boxrec.com/list_shows.php?human_ ... t=promoter
had a very good property management business. When he found himself in the shit, he ventured into trust accounts to get himself out of the shit. Jupters Casino show was the end of him.
Guess who was his advisor on that occasion ??

Mr Caraddona is another story (which by now I'm sure you're well aware of). Others simply didn't have coin to scratch themselves with & should've never been granted a licence

I thought Keiran O'Connor did more shows than that, who was that other crew. I think they islanders they promotored at Homebush? I think they promoted Briggs vs Drews.

[Da Voice]

Over the years, numerous successful businessman were conned into promoting boxing by know alls, telling them how easy it was.
e.g. Keiran O'Connor http://boxrec.com/list_shows.php?human_ ... t=promoter
had a very good property management business. When he found himself in the shit, he ventured into trust accounts to get himself out of the shit. Jupters Casino show was the end of him.
Guess who was his advisor on that occasion ??

Mr Caraddona is another story (which by now I'm sure you're well aware of). Others simply didn't have coin to scratch themselves with & should've never been granted a licence

I thought Keiran O'Connor did more shows than that, who was that other crew. I think they islanders they promotored at Homebush? I think they promoted Briggs vs Drews.

He might've. In those days Boxrec obtained results from ANBF site, which didn't state promoter, officials etc. d-Rush Promotions promoted Briggs/Drews http://boxrec.com/list_shows.php?human_ ... t=promoter Forgot who was the main bloke behind it.

[Brute]

Well maybe they seen that the card wasn't going to viable so they didn't go ahead with it, define success alot of promotors have come & gone, the ones that go broke are the ones that put on the best cards, your saying that the promotors who put on shit cards aren't successful thats not true the ones that put shit cards are the ones that are successful.

Lets face it Mark. 60% of patrons are there for night of entertainment. They get on the slops & just wanna see guys KOd....couldn't care less about combatant's credentials nor title.
True boxing followers generally reserve a seat. Most corporate tables are there 'cos bossman coughed-up coin and most wouldn't know a boxer if they fell over one....stand ups are mostly piss pots

I have to agree with you on this one, I remember when Angelo Hyder had Hayden Knowles fighting http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer, he was Danny Greens fitness trainer or some shit. I heard he sold 20 tables the fight was on foxtel he's not even a boxer. I bet there would of been plenty of proper boxers they could of put on the card, but a proper boxer wouldn't be able to sell that many tickets, how many of them people that came to see him fight would of came to the next promotion? Probably none

Hayden Knowles was the strength and conditioning coach for the Parramatta NRL team. Green was doing fitness work with the team and the fight was at Parramatta Leagues Club. Knowles just made up the numbers for a four rounder. The bloke he fought Jaques Hendrisson) was not much anyway. So far he has a record of 0-6-2.

[Mark pawsey]

I've got nothing against him his probably a good bloke & im a eels supporter, but him fighting pro on tv is a joke, & people get sick of Australian boxings circus acts than in the long run boxing loses fans.

[Mark pawsey]

I've got nothing against him his probably a good bloke & im a eels supporter, but him fighting pro on tv is a joke, & people get sick of Australian boxings circus acts than in the long run boxing loses fans.

[Brute]

It was one prelim fight against another debutant. It's not as if he was after a title.

[Mark pawsey]

It was one prelim fight against another debutant. It's not as if he was after a title.

Your missing the point the point is if you put on a good card you lose money, if you put on a shit card you make money.

[Brute]

It was one prelim fight against another debutant. It's not as if he was after a title.

Your missing the point the point is if you put on a good card you lose money, if you put on a shit card you make money.

Whatever.

[Mark pawsey]

It was one prelim fight against another debutant. It's not as if he was after a title.

Your missing the point the point is if you put on a good card you lose money, if you put on a shit card you make money.

Whatever.

You just don't get it

[Brute]

Your missing the point the point is if you put on a good card you lose money, if you put on a shit card you make money.

Whatever.

You just don't get it

I'm getting past caring. When a footballers fought a bouncer on a professional card it was the beginning of the end.

[Mark pawsey]

Whatever.

You just don't get it

I'm getting past caring. When a footballers fought a bouncer on a professional card it was the beginning of the end.

So you do get it