My Take on Loyalty in Boxing

[Wrists]

http://news.boxrec.com/news/2012/loyalty-overrated

All comments welcome

Kevin

[Craig14]

Summed up in the last line really.

[jizzle]

You forgot to mention Ricky's lack of loyalty to W@rren after the Kosta fight...

Tell him to stop crying...Karma's a bitch

Personally neither showed a lack of loyalty...the contract ended and one party decided not to renew...but if Ricky views Sky's treatment of him as a lack of loyalty...then he is equally guilty of the same act...therefore, suck it up, stop crying and deal with it...

Another point is his treatment of Billy Graham...which led to an out of court settlement after dropping him like a hot potato...if he was that concerned about his Graham's limited health why didn't he keep him on as a consultant...you know outta loyalty like!

[bripez]

I agree Jizzle.

The way he treated W@rren, but particularly Billy Graham (and now Ryan Rhodes) - Hatton is in no position to moan.

Although FW gets some stick on forums, he spent years (and loads of money) building up Hattons profile and timed it perfectly (as he does) to get Kostya over on a last big payday.

[twenty six]

As regards the Rhodes situation people seem to be confusing loyalty with neutrality.
There is no loyalty dispute at all - the point in question is - is it correct that a Promotor contracted to both fighters can decide to operate in the corner of one of the fighters as a Trainer ?
Is it not the job of a Promotor to act in the best interests of his boxers ?
Having made his decision how can Ricky say he is
1/ Acting in the interests of Rhodes ?
2/ Adopting a position of impartiality ?

Anyway it's water under the bridge now.
All will be revealed on 16th June 2012 - what is important is the fight.

[palooka]

I've seen Frank W arren (a promoter) be very partial to who he would like to win a bout. Screaming at ringside and getting angry at refs and judges etc.

It is the manager who should look to act in his fighters interests, not the promoter.

I've seen footage of a promoter, (not Mr W arren) stepping over a fallen fighter to embrace the new champ.

[twenty six]

.... but you've never seen him actively involved in the Training or preparation of a fighter.
Fight night - ringside in his suit.

[palooka]

I agree that the promoter is generally to be seen ringside suited and booted.

You've surely to concede that the promoters interests generally get precedent RE training camp, expenses, home advantage, and generally every advantage that can be gifted. I hope that Ryan does the business; he's a top flight boxer and has a pleasing style.

He has had the rub of the 'house fighter' for much of his career; he's rarely been 'up against it' regards all the stuff that goes on out of the ring; he's been a popular ticket seller and so a promoters favourite.

Saying that; Hatton seems to have acted in a strange manner here.

Still, who pays the piper calls the tune.

[stujones]

Not Warren Twenty Six, but Hatton isn't the first promoter to work a corner in a main event he is promoting..... don't know if there are instances when the "opponent" is also on the promoters books - but there are a few instances of the promoter in a fighters corner.

Technically, officially, the promoter should remain an impartial observer of the bill - even if the opponent isn't on his books. Their job is to organise and promote the fight with neutral official etc - not show how unneutral they are. I think such situations need to be looked at by the BBBoc.

Similarly there have been fighters co-trained by a trainer and the trainer has had to chose which one to back.

[mark a h]

Buisnesses are there to make money.
When loyalty clashes with this, it soon gets forgotten. Its the nature of the beast.

[twenty six]

Stop talking about loyalty.
This has nothing to do with loyalty.
Hatton owes Rabchenko nothing more or less than Rhodes.
However I ask again - name me a time EVER when the Promotor of BOTH fighters has worked the training or corner of any of the fighters.
If it's happened before I stand corrected.
Stu - I know that a Promotor has worked his own fighters corner - but this is different, not when both are promoted by the same man.

[15829]

Stop talking about loyalty.
This has nothing to do with loyalty.
Hatton owes Rabchenko nothing more or less than Rhodes.
However I ask again - name me a time EVER when the Promotor of BOTH fighters has worked the training or corner of any of the fighters.
If it's happened before I stand corrected.
Stu - I know that a Promotor has worked his own fighters corner - but this is different, not when both are promoted by the same man.

If i was Rhodes it wouldn't bother if Hatton was in Rabchenkos corner if anything it would give me confidence, does Rabchenko speak fluent English, whats Hatton ever achieved as a trainer good fighters don't always make good trainers

[wesley05]

Think this is a bad decision by Ricky, especially as the last week ricky has been crying to all news papers/mags etc etc I no 26 your saying this in not about loyalty but I think he's takin piss mate but come 16 june it don't matter who's in his corner Ryan will shine and Ricky will be doin that silly hugging motion as he did when Ryan fought Jamie Moore lol

[twenty six]

He's nailed his colours to the mast mate, so let's get it on.
Won't be the first time we've been over to Lancashire and upset the applecart !

[Gray-Fox]

Boxers should be loyal, ultimately, to themselves.

[palooka]

In professional sport like boxing no one owes anyone anything. The promoters are trying to make a profit; the managers are trying to make a living; the boxers are trying to do well for themselves and the trainers are hoping to break even. Boxing is a tough sport and making real money looks harder than in other hard sports. Television coverage has changed and the positions of power have changed. Boxing; though most on this site seem to really enjoy it; is a minority interest. The economy is fucked and most people have less in their pockets. Anyone involved in business (boxing is a business) has to knuckle down without sentiment. Loyalty is a sentiment. SKY are a massive firm and can't afford it; Hatton Promotions is far smaller, and I imagine can afford it less so I understand the climate that decisions are made in. Saying that; it would be nice if Ryan did a number on the fellow.