Sun to Sponsor Haye v CHisora using Luxemburg licence?

[Heiwa]

So disappointed this is happening. It just lowers the sport further. Anyone who supports this fight, let alone pays to see it, is just encouraging the type of shameful behavior exhibited by this pair that has lowered the sport even further in this country. I will not pay a subscription to Allegedly channel that month in protest. If you care about boxing, decency and sportsmanship, please give this one a miss.

[Wake up call]

Put simply if two unliscensed fighters are able to get together and make a lot of money off the back of disreputable behaviour then there is no hope for the sport in the long term.

[/quote]They will have Luxembourgian licences, they won't be unlicensed.[/quote]

The term unlicensed means non-BBBofC. There is actually no such thing as unlicensed as no body and that includes the board have more of a statutory right to run boxing in this country than any other. The EBF issue licences but everyone still calls that unlicensed.

David Haye v Dereck Chisora is no more licensed than if Danny Williams boxed Mark Potter again on an EBF show.

This sets a dangerous precedent where if the likes of Boxrec and Boxing News etc cover it and put in their records, every other "licensed" body will be able to justifiably ask for their bouts to be reported on also.

[standing8]

What the name for this promotion?
'Utter nutter from the gutter'

[Bard of Boxrec]

How much power does the BBBoC hold nowadays? Whats stopping anyone using another boxing federation in the UK? nothing by the looks of it.
Why would a promoter pay the BBBoC a fee if they can get it cheaper elsewhere from another countries boxing board, the world bodies will still rate the boxer as they are fighting with a legitimate body.

The only thing they could do is stop someone fighting for the Lonsdale belt, but then that just robs the fans of good match-ups.

Haye v Chisora may just be a one off , but if it works why wouldn't other promoters use them or other cheaper alternatives

This is a great question, and noone seems to have responded to it. anyone have any ideas? What's to stop more fights happening under the jurisdiction of an obscure international boxing board ??

[Finn]

Put simply if two unliscensed fighters are able to get together and make a lot of money off the back of disreputable behaviour then there is no hope for the sport in the long term.

They will have Luxembourgian licences, they won't be unlicensed.

The term unlicensed means non-BBBofC. There is actually no such thing as unlicensed as no body and that includes the board have more of a statutory right to run boxing in this country than any other. The EBF issue licences but everyone still calls that unlicensed.

David Haye v Dereck Chisora is no more licensed than if Danny Williams boxed Mark Potter again on an EBF show.

This sets a dangerous precedent where if the likes of Boxrec and Boxing News etc cover it and put in their records, every other "licensed" body will be able to justifiably ask for their bouts to be reported on also.

The Fédération Luxembourgeoise de Boxe in an EBU member that means the fight is licensed as any fight in legit fight in europe would be. Its not like and EBF licence.

[Finn]

How much power does the BBBoC hold nowadays? Whats stopping anyone using another boxing federation in the UK? nothing by the looks of it.
Why would a promoter pay the BBBoC a fee if they can get it cheaper elsewhere from another countries boxing board, the world bodies will still rate the boxer as they are fighting with a legitimate body.

The only thing they could do is stop someone fighting for the Lonsdale belt, but then that just robs the fans of good match-ups.

Haye v Chisora may just be a one off , but if it works why wouldn't other promoters use them or other cheaper alternatives

This is a great question, and noone seems to have responded to it. anyone have any ideas? What's to stop more fights happening under the jurisdiction of an obscure international boxing board ??

As far as i can understand we are part of the EU so can use any EU members boards license if they part of the EBU as it is effectively a business trade. In theory if board is a member of the EBU they should operate to a certain standard anyway so it makes no difference who is used. Of course the theory isnt always the same as the practical application.

[Old bones Ian]

Is there any chance of the board lifting the ban for Chisora as he is appealing it?
I mean this fight is going ahead with or without the board, but they are going to miss out on their fee's.

Just watched the press conferance for this fight, 18 security guys sround the tables, and a fence between Haye and Chisora's teams.
Welcome to the WWF of boxing, and it's only May another 2 months of this bollocks to go. Chisora already threatened to go over the fence at Haye.
I'm sure it would of been easier to walk around it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/17996768

[15829]

Boxing is becoming a joke. This is farcical. Haye should be ashamed of himself as should Warren. What kind of message is this sending out to youngsters who want to get involved in the sport?

Imagine if this was happening between two fighters that Warren had no vested interest in, he'd be going mad!

The Sun sponsoring it? Sauerland promoting? Disgrace. Where is this sport going? No governance at all.

Do you honestly believe if Hearn and Maloney could promote this fight they'd choose not to

I'd say the same about them had they promoted it. Hearn wouldn't have, definitely not. I won't believe it. I watched that documentary about Hearn Sr and he's the nicest promoter on earth. He really is. You can't change my mind. No, not listening.

Not even after he promoted a fight in spain involving a fighter who failed a medical so was unlicenced?

[reggaereggae]

Boxing is becoming a joke. This is farcical. Haye should be ashamed of himself as should Warren. What kind of message is this sending out to youngsters who want to get involved in the sport?

Imagine if this was happening between two fighters that Warren had no vested interest in, he'd be going mad!

The Sun sponsoring it? Sauerland promoting? Disgrace. Where is this sport going? No governance at all.

Boxing has been a joke for ages with the big fights not being made and all the ridiculous titles. BUt still people watch it. There is nothing like a big fight. At least this gets people talking about boxing.

The bottom line is - The BBBofC are a self appointed body and don't have any mandate to have sole governance on pro boxing. As are all the ridiculous Alphabet agencies.

[Finn]

"the best thing to come out of your mouth is my fist" - David Haye

[dondada]

It's just a sort of evolution. Embrace it. Change is often refreshing.

Hopefully someone will come along who will start a branded international organisation, with fewer weight divisions, salaried fighters (+ bonuses) and shorter fights, that becomes the dominant force in world boxing and the place where every fighter strives to appear.

I presume this is a piss take, yes? Please use emoticons for dullards like me or I might have a coronary.

[IRLangmaid25]

This made me laugh

"Warren added he would not be taking a commission from Chisora for the fight, but would make money as a "shareholder" in the Allegedly Channel subscription channel that will air the fight."

I want to believe him. but I am struggling to believe him taking into account his current form.

[Old bones Ian]

It's just a sort of evolution. Embrace it. Change is often refreshing.

Hopefully someone will come along who will start a branded international organisation, with fewer weight divisions, salaried fighters (+ bonuses) and shorter fights, that becomes the dominant force in world boxing and the place where every fighter strives to appear.

I presume this is a piss take, yes? Please use emoticons for dullards like me or I might have a coronary.

Welcome to the AIBA Professional Boxing (APB) a professional tournament without vests or head guards in which boxers will receive regular salaries.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/03052012/ ... t-rio.html

[FIGHTFANs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEFVAGBfukg


funny

[Old bones Ian]

The Luxemburg boxing board can't be that busy anyway, as their are no current boxers from that country according to Boxrec. Maybe i should of started the Isle of Wight boxing board. The IoWBB. Although some may think thats the Isle of Wight Bare Backs

[rhino222]

Will the BBBoC stand up to FW in allowing him to put an unlicensed contest on a licensed bill??

The BBB of C have no choice but to accept this match, we are in the EC, like it or not. They did not ban chisora from boxing on these shores, they just suspended his british licence.

lets take a positive from here, the undercard might well be full of non BBB of C registered mis matches, we will have all foreigners and hopefully some names, we already have povetkin v rahman on the show.

FW has bailed the BBB of C out financially in the past, so maybe he can do as he pleases with them.

hopefully we wont have the usual gang of british judges on the show, they might actually have to pay for a ticket..

[dondada]

It's just a sort of evolution. Embrace it. Change is often refreshing.

Hopefully someone will come along who will start a branded international organisation, with fewer weight divisions, salaried fighters (+ bonuses) and shorter fights, that becomes the dominant force in world boxing and the place where every fighter strives to appear.

I presume this is a piss take, yes? Please use emoticons for dullards like me or I might have a coronary.

Welcome to the AIBA Professional Boxing (APB) a professional tournament without vests or head guards in which boxers will receive regular salaries.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/03052012/ ... t-rio.html

Aye, I meant the stellar leap from Haye v Chisora to some kind of boxing utopia. The latter will never happen and - if we ever got anywhere near it - it would have f*ck all to do with this fight which is a showcase of self-interest...as is much in boxing, of course.

[iamasadlittleboy]

This Bruce Baker chap is on Radio 5, he seems like an absolute prat.

"Wladimir Klitschko shouldn't have been in Chisora's changing room watching the wraps", "Chisora didn't spit, it was water", "Wladimir Klitschko was part of the problem". Sorry Bruce but that's crap you've done more harm to this sport this past week than Wladimir has done in his career.

[leforge]

This Bruce Baker chap is on Radio 5, he seems like an absolute prat.

"Wladimir Klitschko shouldn't have been in Chisora's changing room watching the wraps", "Chisora didn't spit, it was water", "Wladimir Klitschko was part of the problem". Sorry Bruce but that's crap you've done more harm to this sport this past week than Wladimir has done in his career.

Give it few months we have WBF and WBU fights up down the country eventually leading to split having two boards. It sounds far fetched but it will happen.

[dondada]

Welcome to the AIBA Professional Boxing (APB) a professional tournament without vests or head guards in which boxers will receive regular salaries.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/03052012/ ... t-rio.html

Aye, I meant the stellar leap from Haye v Chisora to some kind of boxing utopia. The latter will never happen and - if we ever got anywhere near it - it would have f*ck all to do with this fight which is a showcase of self-interest...as is much in boxing, of course.

That's a good name actually: Boxing Utopia Limited. Why the reservations?

So...the potential demise of the BBBoC at the altar of venal self-interest might lead to utopia?

I don't see it.

[The Insider]

I cant see how this show will go ahead unless FW uses other unlicenced boxers or boxers who defect and obtain a "Lux Licence" on the undercard. The Board cant possibly allow its boxers and officials to partake in this event knowing that its main attraction is not sanctioned by them. Have the Lux federation got a referee, 3 judges, timekeeper, whip, MC, Doctors, House seconds etc as any BBBoC licence holders who work directly on this particular bout will in breach of regulation 4.6.

[Finn]

I cant see how this show will go ahead unless FW uses other unlicenced boxers or boxers who defect and obtain a "Lux Licence" on the undercard. The Board cant possibly allow its boxers and officials to partake in this event knowing that its main attraction is not sanctioned by them. Have the Lux federation got a referee, 3 judges, timekeeper, whip, MC, Doctors, House seconds etc as any BBBoC licence holders who work directly on this particular bout will in breach of regulation 4.6.

Saureland are promoting the other fights they use the austrian board of control why would allegedly need the BBBofC, i doubt Povetkin and rahman dont hold UK licenses either. The EBU will provide the officials.

[PizzaKid]

What a shame to see 2 average heavyweights getting a MASSIVE payday

[The Insider]

The EBU will provide the officials.

Not sure the EBU will do this without the BBBoCs blessing. Will FW pay for all the afforemantioed officials/Licence holders to be flown in plus Inspectors, Stewards In Charge etc.

[Finn]

The EBU will provide the officials.

Not sure the EBU will do this without the BBBoCs blessing. Will FW pay for all the afforemantioed officials/Licence holders to be flown in plus Inspectors, Stewards In Charge etc.

I should imagine so, he would have had to pay for it inderectly anyway, by the sounds of it he took bids off numerous EBU sanctioned boards before chosing the best deal. The head of the control board was at the presser so i think that ship has sailed.