Warren to block Hatton fights until after court date

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 06 Sep 2005, 12:40

boxingchat wrote:Ah fact! Spill the Beans then.

Not for public consumption

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 06 Sep 2005, 12:41

Ah fact! Spill the Beans then.

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 06 Sep 2005, 12:43

KO Atrist wrote:
boxingchat wrote:Incidentally, if Hatton, who has admitted that he has approached King and Arum and others, can earn so much more. Why is he fighting at Sheffield Arena and co-promoting the fight with Dennis Hobson? Perhaps his value of himself, like yours, is slightly over inflated. Just a thought!
My valuation is not inflated it is based on fact.

The arena the fight takes place is not crucial to what the fighter gets paid.

In big fights like these TV pays purses, not crowds.

Is that it? fornicate me, don't become a Promoter or accountant my friend!

Are you Eric Cantona? Do the seagulls follow the bloody Trawlers because they are lost then or what?

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 06 Sep 2005, 12:50

The top fighters in the US are earning a lot more than £1.5m per fight fighting for Arum or King. If Hatton was to fight in Vegas on HBO for one of those guys he would earn a lot more than £1.5m.

Now get back to work you gargoyle.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 06 Sep 2005, 12:55

boxingchat wrote:
KO Atrist wrote:
boxingchat wrote:Incidentally, if Hatton, who has admitted that he has approached King and Arum and others, can earn so much more. Why is he fighting at Sheffield Arena and co-promoting the fight with Dennis Hobson? Perhaps his value of himself, like yours, is slightly over inflated. Just a thought!
My valuation is not inflated it is based on fact.

The arena the fight takes place is not crucial to what the fighter gets paid.

In big fights like these TV pays purses, not crowds.

Is that it? fornicate me, don't become a Promoter or accountant my friend!

Are you Eric Cantona? Do the seagulls follow the bloody Trawlers because they are lost then or what?

Dont get excited. I dont hold a promoters licence and I am not an accountant. I am, however, a businessman, and a good one at that.

Ask yourself this, or, if you can, tell me how much money where the shows involving Hatton grossing under Sports Network? Include gate receipts, TV money and sponsorship. How much.

Lets take a typical world title show.

Then work out how big a slice each party was taking. Fighters, TV, Promoter, and operational costs.

If the fighter moves to a smaller arena, the gate receipts will reduce. But the TV money shouldnt by much, nor should operational costs alter much, they may reduce in fact. Sponsorship, on the other hand, may have increased.

That leaves the promoters share.

Assuming the above assumptions are broadly coreect, the fighters money can increase...........................

Only if the promoters slice is reduced.

Make sense?

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 06 Sep 2005, 12:59

No not at all? Quite frankly you haven't got a fornicating clue what you are talking about.

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:03

nickd wrote:The top fighters in the US are earning a lot more than £1.5m per fight fighting for Arum or King. If Hatton was to fight in Vegas on HBO for one of those guys he would earn a lot more than £1.5m.

Now get back to work you gargoyle.

Listen Moron. If you knew anything whatsoever about what you are talking about you would know that US fighter, in the main, earn far less than Hatton. They bring US TV Hatton US and Sky. It's people like you blowing sugar up Hatton's arse that cause this mess and more often than not ruin his career. If he would earn more in the US why have neither King Arum or HBO signed him up yet? Showtime told him to stay put and Maussa, the WBA Champion, is coming to Sheffield?

Think again.....

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:03

nickd wrote:The top fighters in the US are earning a lot more than £1.5m per fight fighting for Arum or King. If Hatton was to fight in Vegas on HBO for one of those guys he would earn a lot more than £1.5m.

Now get back to work you gargoyle.

What part of FACT are you struggling with Bellend?

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:04

boxingchat wrote:No not at all? Quite frankly you haven't got a fornicating clue what you are talking about.

I dont know whether you are trying to rile me into revealing exactly what I know, but I know a great deal more about this business than you appear to appreciate, judging by the degenerative tone of your replies.

Lets open this debate up sensibly.

How much do you think Sports Network Shows gross when Hatton is on the bill? Lets start there.

By the way, I would agree that most of Hattons US peers have earned less than Hatton did under Warren. The US promoters take more money, becuae they have to, they have massive overheads.

As does Sports Network in relation to smaller UK promoters.

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:07

Answer a question with a question why don't you?

I am not professing to know the facts. The stupid and uneducated guess work is coming from your end.

And, if you were in the business, which I doubt, trust me you won't be for long!!!

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:08

You're the man in the know gargoyle, please fill us in.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:10

boxingchat wrote:Answer a question with a question why don't you?

I am not professing to know the facts. The stupid and uneducated guess work is coming from your end.

And, if you were in the business, which I doubt, trust me you won't be for long!!!

Fortunately, my main business is not related to Boxing, which I am involved in on an informal basis, for fun, you see.

How can we begin a debate about how much Hatton will earn until we know how much his shows were grossing under FW control.

Surely you would agree that we have to start there?

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:14

Ah so you admit that you do it for fun? So how do you suggest we find out thewn ask Mr Warren to divulge all his accounts on here. Highly unlikely don't you think? However, if I was a betting ma I bet you would all be surprised and that RH earns more when he fights than SN do. Nearly £7m (so I hear) for the pony fights he's been having, and ordinary people have sympathy for him. Not me, greedy little Bastard! like Ferdinand and the like - Manchester water perhaps!

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:18

boxingchat wrote:Ah so you admit that you do it for fun? So how do you suggest we find out thewn ask Mr Warren to divulge all his accounts on here. Highly unlikely don't you think? However, if I was a betting ma I bet you would all be surprised and that RH earns more when he fights than SN do. Nearly £7m (so I hear) for the pony fights he's been having, and ordinary people have sympathy for him. Not me, greedy little Bastard! like Ferdinand and the like - Manchester water perhaps!

I'm not keen on Mancs myself.

As SN are a public Co, I should have a set of their last accounts here somewhere.

But they dont show a breakdown of what each show takes.

You have told me how much Hatton earns from the shows, what about FW/SN? Who, I add, did a great job with Hatton. Possibly one of the best promotional jobs ever.

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:23

KO Atrist wrote:
boxingchat wrote:Ah so you admit that you do it for fun? So how do you suggest we find out thewn ask Mr Warren to divulge all his accounts on here. Highly unlikely don't you think? However, if I was a betting ma I bet you would all be surprised and that RH earns more when he fights than SN do. Nearly £7m (so I hear) for the pony fights he's been having, and ordinary people have sympathy for him. Not me, greedy little Bastard! like Ferdinand and the like - Manchester water perhaps!

I'm not keen on Mancs myself.

As SN are a public Co, I should have a set of their last accounts here somewhere.

But they dont show a breakdown of what each show takes.

Why should they, do you broadcast your private business. Hatton must have agreed those purses surely so what SN/FW or whoever get is irrelevent surely. If you have their accounts surely these show what the crack is?

Personnaly, I don't give a flying F##k either way. I'm big into loyalty and the scruffy little Manc has done bloody well. The last time anyone took so much money under false pretences was the Sex Pistols 'Great Rock and Roll Swindle' Hatton should be kissing FW's arse not kicking it.

I bet his bacnk manager is an FW fan. And to think my PPV money has helped swell his coffers to nearly £7M - No more my friend, no more.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:26

What, not even if JC is fighting on the same bill with Hatton?

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:28

KO Atrist wrote:What, not even if JC is fighting on the same bill with Hatton?

No way Jose!

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:30

Calzaghe is not PPV rather pay per non view. People would pay good money to keep him off the television!

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:33

nickd wrote:Calzaghe is not PPV rather pay per non view. People would pay good money to keep him off the television!

Don't change the subject....

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:36

boxingchat wrote:
nickd wrote:Calzaghe is not PPV rather pay per non view. People would pay good money to keep him off the television!
Don't change the subject....

That response was not for you. This discussion is tiresome, fact is the marquee fighters in the US earn more than £1.5m fighting in Vegas - the dollar equivalent of course. Hatton can be considered a marquee fighter after beating Tszyu and could demand a lot more money from the top US promoters by fighting in Vegas on HBO.

Or are you disputing that?

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:36

boxingchat wrote:
KO Atrist wrote:What, not even if JC is fighting on the same bill with Hatton?
No way Jose!

Sorry, couldnt resist it.

Look, I agree that, prima facie, Hatton does owe Warren a degree of loyalty, and that he has earned well. I also agree that whilst Warren hasnt taken any punches he has obviously worked his bollocks off to build Hatton up. Warren earned his money too. He is obviously very driven and has done great things.

But if Hatton fells he is a free agent, and has been offered more money whilst gaining full control of his career, that ok isnt it?

The dispute appears to be that one feels he has a contract and the other feels he doesnt.

So they are not even at a stage where they can talk numbers.

How much do you reckon the Hatton shows where grossing under SN.

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:39

nickd wrote:
boxingchat wrote:
nickd wrote:Calzaghe is not PPV rather pay per non view. People would pay good money to keep him off the television!
Don't change the subject....
That response was not for you. This discussion is tiresome, fact is the marquee fighters in the US earn more than £1.5m fighting in Vegas - the dollar equivalent of course. Hatton can be considered a marquee fighter after beating Tszyu and could demand a lot more money from the top US promoters by fighting in Vegas on HBO.

Or are you disputing that?

Yes, absolutely. You are dealing in hearsay.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:43

boxingchat wrote:
nickd wrote:
boxingchat wrote: Don't change the subject....
That response was not for you. This discussion is tiresome, fact is the marquee fighters in the US earn more than £1.5m fighting in Vegas - the dollar equivalent of course. Hatton can be considered a marquee fighter after beating Tszyu and could demand a lot more money from the top US promoters by fighting in Vegas on HBO.

Or are you disputing that?
Yes, absolutely. You are dealing in hearsay.

And you are talking shit, guys like Judah, Mayweather, Wright, Hopkins are earning more than £1.5m a fight. Hatton is on the same level as those guys after beating a guy who was in everyones top 3 P4P.

Granted Hatton hasn't fought in the US before, but most of the fighters mentioned above have zero fanbase. With HBO money Hatton could easily earn upwards of £2.5m a fight.

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:43

KO Atrist wrote:
boxingchat wrote:
KO Atrist wrote:What, not even if JC is fighting on the same bill with Hatton?
No way Jose!
Sorry, couldnt resist it.

Look, I agree that, prima facie, Hatton does owe Warren a degree of loyalty, and that he has earned well. I also agree that whilst Warren hasnt taken any punches he has obviously worked his bollocks off to build Hatton up. Warren earned his money too. He is obviously very driven and has done great things.

But if Hatton fells he is a free agent, and has been offered more money whilst gaining full control of his career, that ok isnt it?

AThe dispute appears to be that one feels he has a contract and the other feels he doesnt.

So they are not even at a stage where they can talk numbers.

How much do you reckon the Hatton shows where grossing under SN.

It's only relevant to the costs, so until you know those the income is neither here nor there. This is my point, Only FW knows the figures and paying RH what he has is certainly not ripping him off as has been suggested elsewhere.

It's the opinions of 'outysiders' with no knowledge that often drives wedges between Boxer, Manager and whoever. Then when the Boxer get's beat whose left to re-build?

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 06 Sep 2005, 13:44

KO Atrist wrote:
boxingchat wrote:
KO Atrist wrote:What, not even if JC is fighting on the same bill with Hatton?
No way Jose!
Sorry, couldnt resist it.

Look, I agree that, prima facie, Hatton does owe Warren a degree of loyalty, and that he has earned well. I also agree that whilst Warren hasnt taken any punches he has obviously worked his bollocks off to build Hatton up. Warren earned his money too. He is obviously very driven and has done great things.

But if Hatton fells he is a free agent, and has been offered more money whilst gaining full control of his career, that ok isnt it?

The dispute appears to be that one feels he has a contract and the other feels he doesnt.

So they are not even at a stage where they can talk numbers.

How much do you reckon the Hatton shows where grossing under SN?

BoxingChat, can you respond?