allegedly statement

[FIGHTFANs]

picked this up of East side

Dear Mr Smith,


I refer to the press release which you issued earlier this week in which you state that any member of the British Boxing Board of Control who participates in the Haye v. Chisora fight “will be deemed to have terminated” both his membership of your Board and his licence. As you know I am Dereck Chisora’s manager and even if I am not at the fight I will be ‘participating’ in accordance with your definition of this word in the press release.


I write to make two complaints about your press release. The first is that there are no substantive grounds to revoke my licence and the second is that you have not properly complied with any procedural requirements.


Substantive Grounds
Under Rule 4.12 of your own Rules and Regulations, as a licence holder I can participate “(a) in or at a Promotion which is licensed by the BBBofC; or (b) in or at a Promotion organised by a Federation, Commission, Association or Controlling Authority affiliated to, or recognised by the BBBofC”. The Federation Luxembourgoise De Boxe is a Federation affiliated to and recognised by the Board; both are affiliated to the EBU. As that Federation is sanctioning the Haye v. Chisora fight, my participation is not a breach of your Rules.


You have not communicated your complaint to me at all, but in the press statement your concern appears to be that a member who participates in the Haye v. Chisora fight would “bring the sport of boxing into disrepute”. As I say, were the Board to really consider that I was bringing the sport into disrepute then I would expect you to have set out the charges against me by letter and with a level of particularity.


I cannot see how I can be bringing boxing into disrepute for the following reasons (which list is not exhaustive):


* It cannot be because the fight is unlicensed, because it is licensed by a Federation older than the Board, affiliated to the EBU and which has the same medical provisions, testing, safety provisions and insurance as the Board;


* It cannot be because David Haye is fighting and is not licensed by the Board. If this were the case, you would object to almost every fight taking place overseas. Indeed, I note that the Board has not complained that the WBA is bringing the sport into disrepute, despite that organisation licensing Mayweather’s fight even though he has a conviction for domestic violence;


* It cannot be because Dereck Chisora is not licensed by the Board, for the reasons above. Also, if the Board did consider that Mr Chisora should not fight again, it would have banned him for life. Instead it withdrew his licence but invited him to apply for a licence with the Board or with another sanctioning body when he wished to do so;


* It cannot be because of safety reasons. Not just because the Federation has the same procedures as the Board, but also because the Board took no sanction against Promoter Barry Hearn after he ignored the Board’s refusal to grant Julian Jackson a licence to fight in the UK against Herol Graham and staged the fight in Spain. Indeed, the Board supplied officials for that fight and gained financially. Further, whilst the Board has been found guilty of negligence (in relation to Michael Watson), the Federation has had no such decisions against it;


*It cannot be because there is a fight sanctioned in the UK by the Luxembourg Federation. This is because the Board has licensed fights in other jurisdictions, as have many other Federations and Associations and because of the principle of free trade across Europe.


Procedural Grounds
If in fact you really did consider that I, a licensee, is guilty of misconduct because of my ‘participation’ in the Haye v. Chisora fight, then you need still to comply with Rule 25. The Board would need to send me a formal complaint and require me to answer it and attend before the Board. You have not done so.


My Complaint
My concern is that by issuing the threat contained in your press release you are trying to stop me from being involved in a legitimate and lawful fight governed by another Federation and to interfere with my freedom to work and to earn a living. I am worried that you have taken this decision not because you are really concerned about the fight (for the reasons I set out above) but because you are fearful that you will lose your monopoly in the UK.


I require written confirmation that you will not seek to take away my licence if I remain Dereck Chisora’s manager. As you have catapulted this issue into the press, then I consider it is reasonable for me to seek your confirmation by close of business on Wednesday 16 May 2012. If I do not receive your confirmation then you will receive a formal complaint from my solicitors followed by proceedings (including injunctive relief should they consider it necessary and appropriate). Of course there may well be issues of costs and damages associated with your actions and I put you on notice that I will be seeking these also if so advised.


I look forward to hearing from you.


Kind Regards,

Frank

[phil5555]

Getting interesting looks like Mr warren done his home work

[Heiwa]

Getting interesting looks like Mr warren done his home work

I'm guessing he's on solid ground legally. From a moral standpoint, he's a worm though :(

[Horse]

Getting interesting looks like Mr warren done his home work

I'd trust Warren to do his homework more than I would trust the BBBofC.

I think they should have a private discussion with Warren and try to find the best way for them to back down with some dignity and give Chisora and Haye a BBBofC licence.

[phil5555]

Getting interesting looks like Mr warren done his home work

I'm guessing he's on solid ground legally. From a moral standpoint, he's a worm though :(

x2

[15829]

1-0 to the board tho Povetkin v Rahman has been took off the show

[Horse]

Getting interesting looks like Mr warren done his home work

I'm guessing he's on solid ground legally. From a moral standpoint, he's a worm though :(

I think it is the BBBofC who are the worms. Warren is just trying to do his job whilst the board have been posturing and moralising.

[Horse]

1-0 to the board tho Povetkin v Rahman has been took off the show

Has it? Why?

[leforge]

1-0 to the board tho Povetkin v Rahman has been took off the show

Really? I get my tickets and the bill all ready changing!

[15829]

Ard the German tv channel has backed out aswell


it's on Boxing Scene

[leforge]

Ard the German tv channel has backed out aswell


it's on Boxing Scene

Everytime I get tickets to one of his shows something happens. I must be mad!

[15829]

Ard the German tv channel has backed out aswell


it's on Boxing Scene

Everytime I get tickets to one of his shows something happens. I must be mad!

I no most people won't care i was actually looking forward to see Povetkin fight live, we should just buy tickets the day off a show

[leforge]

Ard the German tv channel has backed out aswell


it's on Boxing Scene

Everytime I get tickets to one of his shows something happens. I must be mad!

I no most people won't care i was actually looking forward to see Povetkin fight live, we should just buy tickets the day off a show

His shows seemed to be the most effected though. It's not even week and it's been moved good warm up fight that would be!

[keithmoonhangover]

1-0 to the board tho Povetkin v Rahman has been took off the show

Really? I get my tickets and the bill all ready changing!

Does that mean ARD wouldn't take the winner against Povetkin? I'm guessing so.

[leforge]

1-0 to the board tho Povetkin v Rahman has been took off the show

Really? I get my tickets and the bill all ready changing!

Does that mean ARD wouldn't take the winner against Povetkin? I'm guessing so.

That's an income stream for the fight taken away. Looks like it!

[keithmoonhangover]

Really? I get my tickets and the bill all ready changing!

Does that mean ARD wouldn't take the winner against Povetkin? I'm guessing so.

That's an income stream for the fight taken away. Looks like it!

I'd really to see Haye-Povetkin, it would be a superb fight.

[Finn]

Ard the German tv channel has backed out aswell


it's on Boxing Scene

Everytime I get tickets to one of his shows something happens. I must be mad!

I no most people won't care i was actually looking forward to see Povetkin fight live, we should just buy tickets the day off a show

Ive got a feeling a world title holder would be unhappy about playing second fiddle to domestic dust up, that probably had more to do with it than the BBBofC.

[stujones]

Interestingly (perhaps) the fight is no longer on Boxrec schedule.

Barry/Eddie Hearn (sometimes in association with other promoters) would often have UK bills that got German (or Polish) TV signed up, but we in the UK wouldn't even show the fight the German/Polish TV companies were interested in showing. Not sure if the German/Polish TV showed the UK main event.

As an example, the undercard of Harrison vs Haye shambles was an IBF Cruiser eliminator... German TV was more (or equally) interested in this bout, it must have been a half empty arena when that was shown on German TV.

[keithmoonhangover]

Interestingly (perhaps) the fight is no longer on Boxrec schedule.

Barry/Eddie Hearn (sometimes in association with other promoters) would often have UK bills that got German (or Polish) TV signed up, but we in the UK wouldn't even show the fight the German/Polish TV companies were interested in showing. Not sure if the German/Polish TV showed the UK main event.

As an example, the undercard of Harrison vs Haye shambles was an IBF Cruiser eliminator... German TV was more (or equally) interested in this bout, it must have been a half empty arena when that was shown on German TV.

Good post stujones. If there is no money from those companies and I can't see Warren paying that much for it if it's going on his channel. They'd need to sell 40,000 tickets for it to have a chance of it happening, unless they can source other TV coverage.

It's ironic that this fight on SKY PPV, would have a load of buys.

[leforge]

Interestingly (perhaps) the fight is no longer on Boxrec schedule.

Barry/Eddie Hearn (sometimes in association with other promoters) would often have UK bills that got German (or Polish) TV signed up, but we in the UK wouldn't even show the fight the German/Polish TV companies were interested in showing. Not sure if the German/Polish TV showed the UK main event.

As an example, the undercard of Harrison vs Haye shambles was an IBF Cruiser eliminator... German TV was more (or equally) interested in this bout, it must have been a half empty arena when that was shown on German TV.

Good post stujones. If there is no money from those companies and I can't see Warren paying that much for it if it's going on his channel. They'd need to sell 40,000 tickets for it to have a chance of it happening, unless they can source other TV coverage.

It's ironic that this fight on SKY PPV, would have a load of buys.

Keith they going to want over 300k in buys on allegedly but without sky hype thats going to be hard unless punch up at weigh inn get free publicity on the news. Some of the buys will go towards recouping channels investment.Haye will be on over 1.5million for this I would imaginae

[keithmoonhangover]

Interestingly (perhaps) the fight is no longer on Boxrec schedule.

Barry/Eddie Hearn (sometimes in association with other promoters) would often have UK bills that got German (or Polish) TV signed up, but we in the UK wouldn't even show the fight the German/Polish TV companies were interested in showing. Not sure if the German/Polish TV showed the UK main event.

As an example, the undercard of Harrison vs Haye shambles was an IBF Cruiser eliminator... German TV was more (or equally) interested in this bout, it must have been a half empty arena when that was shown on German TV.

Good post stujones. If there is no money from those companies and I can't see Warren paying that much for it if it's going on his channel. They'd need to sell 40,000 tickets for it to have a chance of it happening, unless they can source other TV coverage.

It's ironic that this fight on SKY PPV, would have a load of buys.

Keith they going to want over 300k in buys on Allegedly channel but without sky hype thats going to be hard unless punch up at weigh inn get free publicity on the news. Some of the buys will go towards recouping channels investment.Haye will be on over 1.5million for this I would imaginae

The problem is..... My mates who like other sports and have a passing interest in boxing would have bought this on SKY PPV. The will not subscribe to Warren TV.

[Horse]

The Sun are sponsoring this event and they are owned by Murdoch just like Sky are.

Is it possible that Sky Sports will help to promote this event at least subtlely?

[keithmoonhangover]

The Sun are sponsoring this event and they are owned by Murdoch just like Sky are.

Is it possible that Sky Sports will help to promote this event at least subtlety?

The Sun sponsorship can't really bring in much cash. It's on Sky Sports News because it's a story, not because of the Murdoch connection.

[Horse]

The Sun sponsorship can't really bring in much cash. It's on Sky Sports News because it's a story, not because of the Murdoch connection.

It would suggest at least some support from the Murdoch empire though wouldn't it?

Sky Sports could plausibly act like the Haye vs Chisora is a disgrace to boxing and ignore it, or act like it is an exciting fight that cannot possibly be ignored and give it some attention.

[smoggy7188]

The more this goes on the less likely I think the fight is gonna happen. One of Hayes mysterious back injuries will occur. No-one is gonna risk their licenses over this.