Ike Quartey (1997) vs. Miguel Cotto (2007)...

[Goodnight, Irene]

Anyone else see Bazooka beating Junito with surprising ease? They're not far apart in terms of ability, & certainly Cotto had the more celebrated career, but I see this as style-wise Quartey's fight for sure.

Cotto goes down 8-3-1, IMO.

[The Great John L]

Anyone else see Bazooka beating Junito with surprising ease? They're not far apart in terms of ability, & certainly Cotto had the more celebrated career, but I see this as style-wise Quartey's fight for sure.

Cotto goes down 8-3-1, IMO.

That certainly seems like a likely outcome to me as well, with perhaps even a busted up Cotto getting stopped.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Well someone voted Cotto.

[dempseyfire]

I'd pick Quartey but it wouldn't be easy and I wouldn't be shocked at a Cotto win. Quartey had an excellent jab but was a little one-dimensional and could be hurt, and Cotto can crack with the left hook. I can also see Cotto breaking him down to the body and dominating late to take it. Cotto is better skilled than Vargas, although not as strong.

But forced to pick, give me Quartey close.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Cotto was more skilled than Vargas, but was he any greater a fighter all-round? Its about even, IMO --- then you have to consider Cotto not only being substantially smaller than Vargas, but also facing a peak, 147lb. Quartey, as opposed to the fading 154lb. version Vargas narrowly beat, in addition to the aforementioned strength advantage Cotto would not enjoy.

I just dont see this as tight as you might think looking at the match on paper.

[IKSRTFO]

Curious to see what people think now?

[crusader]

A Cotto fan voted Cotto.

I can see why some predict a lopsided win for Quartey, but it is not such an uneven match-up that only a biased or incompetant analyst could pick Cotto.

[elmersalsa]

None of the two impressed me. Cotto had better chin and Quartey a better punch. None of the two were great to begin with. Maybe Cotto wins this one by a close margin. He would take Quartey's best shots and I think Cotto was the better fighter on the inside, not by much, though.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Very tough fight, I'll side with Cotto's variety getting him past the jab that would bust up his face. Ike was strong, but Miguel can do more in there. Cotto by SD at Welter, UD at Jr Middle.

[big train express]

id have to fancy cotto on this one. i feel like he had good enough boxing ability and a great body attack to keep quartey at bay and win a close UD.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Cotto was more skilled than Vargas, but was he any greater a fighter all-round? Its about even, IMO --- then you have to consider Cotto not only being substantially smaller than Vargas, but also facing a peak, 147lb. Quartey, as opposed to the fading 154lb. version Vargas narrowly beat, in addition to the aforementioned strength advantage Cotto would not enjoy.

I just dont see this as tight as you might think looking at the match on paper.

Are you thinking about vargas/Wright? Vargas/Quartey wasn't narrow. That was a pretty comprehensive win.

[gilgamesh]

I think this is a pretty even match-up, these two to me are both high level guys that are just a notch below the very best of their respective eras. I think you'd be looking at a close, possibly controversial outcome regardless of who won, because of bodywork and overall better arsenal I'd give Cotto a slight edge, but he'd have a hard time with Quartey's excellent jab all night.

[Rover]

Cotto was more skilled than Vargas, but was he any greater a fighter all-round? Its about even, IMO --- then you have to consider Cotto not only being substantially smaller than Vargas, but also facing a peak, 147lb. Quartey, as opposed to the fading 154lb. version Vargas narrowly beat, in addition to the aforementioned strength advantage Cotto would not enjoy.

I just dont see this as tight as you might think looking at the match on paper.

Vargas did not "narrowly beat" Quartey.
Both of these guys started fast and faded late. I think Ike would win a clear decision; Cotto doesn't hit like J.L. Lopez or Oscar, so he can't hurt Ike. Ike can pile up points with that jab, and Cotto isn't exactly a large welterweight.

[IKSRTFO]

2007 Cotto doesn't even beat the guys Quartey lost to, so how does he beat Quartey? DLH, Vargas and Winky all beat 2007 Cotto Cotto has a great jab but Ike's jab is king. Yes, Quartey could be hurt, but Cotto could be stopped. Quartey stood up to Vargas and DLH, excellent punchers. Can't see Cotto taking Vargas and Forrest shots and not going down.

[crusader]

2007 Cotto doesn't even beat the guys Quartey lost to, so how does he beat Quartey?

Quartey couldn't beat the guys he lost to either.

[IKSRTFO]

2007 Cotto doesn't even beat the guys Quartey lost to, so how does he beat Quartey?

Quartey couldn't beat the guys he lost to either.

I'd pick Quartey over Margarito.

[crusader]

I meant that your argument is fallacious.

Your first post suggests that Cotto wouldn't beat the fighters that Quartey lost to, and therefore Cotto wouldn't beat Quartey. However, Quartey obviously couldn't beat the fighters that he (Quartey) lost to; when your initial logic is applied to Quartey, the conclusion is that he wouldn't be good enough to beat himself.

[IKSRTFO]

I meant that your argument is fallacious.

Your first post suggests that Cotto wouldn't beat the fighters that Quartey lost to, and therefore Cotto wouldn't beat Quartey. However, Quartey obviously couldn't beat the fighters that he (Quartey) lost to; when your initial logic is applied to Quartey, the conclusion is that he wouldn't be good enough to beat himself.

Quartey argueably beat a prime De La Hoya. At worst, he lost a close decision and fought on even terms or better most of the fight. I almost guarantee you that a 2007 Cotto doesn't even stand up to a left hook of 1999 DLH.

And I believe a younger DLH is now pretty underrated due to his later career.

[Rover]

I meant that your argument is fallacious.

Your first post suggests that Cotto wouldn't beat the fighters that Quartey lost to, and therefore Cotto wouldn't beat Quartey. However, Quartey obviously couldn't beat the fighters that he (Quartey) lost to; when your initial logic is applied to Quartey, the conclusion is that he wouldn't be good enough to beat himself.

Quartey argueably beat a prime De La Hoya. At worst, he lost a close decision and fought on even terms or better most of the fight. I almost guarantee you that a 2007 Cotto doesn't even stand up to a left hook of 1999 DLH.

And I believe a younger DLH is now pretty underrated due to his later career.

So a better way to state your argument was that Quartey fought on basically even terms with aguy (Oscar) who would destroy Cotto.
I'd also favor Espana over Cotto; Crisanto would outwork him to win a decision IMHO.
Some people think Cotto's a HOFer.

[Diamond WEAPON]

Cotto winning titles in 3 weight classes and beating most of the who's who around WW for over half a decade gets him the HOF in my opinion, plus he's always been reliably entertaining whether winning or losing, like a more skilled Gatti.

Anyway I think Quartey closely outpoints him. Cotto would have to finesse his way through that fight quite a bit and Quartey's strength would cause a lot of issues that he wouldn't quite overcome.

The Welterweight era of De La Hoya through Mayorga is one the likes of Pacquiao and Mayweather wouldn't have been able to move uo into a dominate the way they did with the aftermath of the exodus of those guys. Prime Quartey, De La Hoya, Mosley, Tito, Forrest, and Mayorga were a bunch of absolute monsters, nobody who just makes weight without draining was fornicating with that group, it took Spinks getting knocked stupid by Zab Judah to water down into the current situation.

[scallum]

I would probably Favor Ike and That incredible Jab.

[Rover]

Cotto winning titles in 3 weight classes and beating most of the who's who around WW for over half a decade gets him the HOF in my opinion, plus he's always been reliably entertaining whether winning or losing, like a more skilled Gatti.

Anyway I think Quartey closely outpoints him. Cotto would have to finesse his way through that fight quite a bit and Quartey's strength would cause a lot of issues that he wouldn't quite overcome.

The Welterweight era of De La Hoya through Mayorga is one the likes of Pacquiao and Mayweather wouldn't have been able to move uo into a dominate the way they did with the aftermath of the exodus of those guys. Prime Quartey, De La Hoya, Mosley, Tito, Forrest, and Mayorga were a bunch of absolute monsters, nobody who just makes weight without draining was effing with that group, it took Spinks getting knocked stupid by Zab Judah to water down into the current situation.

If Spinks outboxed Mayorga, I have no doubt Floyd would humiliate him. Forrest lost to Mayorga (first time) because he decided to slug; foolish mistake, as Vernon didn't have the chin.
As for Cotto's resume:
He won belts in three divisions, but was he ever the best in any of them?
Jr. welter: Tszyu and Hatton were the champs when he was there.
Jr. middle: Best win was over Yuri Foreman.

Then we get to welter. Now, this is clearly where his resume was the best; he beat Quintana, Judah, Mosley, and Clottey.
But he lost at the top level. (Discounting the Marg loss is perfectly fine, but he didn't beat Marg, Williams, Pac, or Floyd.)
Cotto was never "the man" at welter--except if you want to argue the period from February 2008 when Quintana beat Williams through July 2008 when Cotto lost to Margarito.
So Cotto was never the man at jr. welter.
The man for only five months (approximately) at welter.
I guess you could call him "the man" at jr. middle, but if the only thing you have to do to become "the man" is to beat Foreman, kinda tells you all you need to know about how weak that division was.