P4P SEASON WEEK 8 MATCHUPS:

[sockdolager]

I didn't even look at his record you silly he-bitch. We just don't like his last name.

You better get your sim together!

[armageto]

Wilde will accept Leonard's offer from the other thread. Sugar Ray is up for offers......

[Deno1986]

Wilde will accept Leonard's offer from the other thread. Sugar Ray is up for offers......

SRL vs Ali?

[Crease]

What's the deal with the 15 ranking? The following fighters are 10-16:
Joe Louis – 12 pts
Abe Attell – 12 pts
Alexis Arguello – 12 pts
Salvador Sanchez – 12 pts
Kid Chocolate - 12 pts
Jack Dempsey – 12 pts

Can Pep offer them all a title shot? First come, first served?

Kid Chocolate is currently ranked 15th... Dempsey is 16th. So, basically you can fight anyone below Kid Chocolate.

[JDC]

What's the deal with the 15 ranking? The following fighters are 10-16:
Joe Louis – 12 pts
Abe Attell – 12 pts
Alexis Arguello – 12 pts
Salvador Sanchez – 12 pts
Kid Chocolate - 12 pts
Jack Dempsey – 12 pts

Can Pep offer them all a title shot? First come, first served?

Kid Chocolate is currently ranked 15th... Dempsey is 16th. So, basically you can fight anyone below Kid Chocolate.

Hmmm, what's the criteria here. They're all on the same

[Crease]

Sanchez requests a WTF title shot, against someone on the same points total if this is acceptable. 11-16 ranked are all on the same points

Sally is too highly ranked. The up-side to this is that he is ranked contender for three of the major organisations.
The down-side to this is that Sally is inelligible for the WBU and the WTF titles. But such is life...

[Crease]

Hmmm, what's the criteria here. They're all on the same

Sanchez has won more fights that others on identical scores, that was a big bearing in it...

[JDC]

He has more wins than anyone in this group, so he should be top under that logic.

Your making it up as you go along. Funny how your guy is eligible, and on the same points.

Commish is to be impartial and they're on the same points. Either they're all eligible or non

[NazNaci1]

Well we can look at the level of opponents too. I know we don't but we should. For example Whitaker has 2 draws with Pep, for example and a draw with Ali. He should have won probably all 3. That is worth much more than your Eric Crumble, Zelenoffs, Esch's and Cooper's, surely?

[JDC]

It's things like this which were to be avoided when I was asking how the rankings were going to work regards titles. Response was, it'll sort itself out. Which means Crease will do whatever he wants...

Stick em both in the pool.

[Crease]

Your making it up as you go along. Funny how your guy is eligible, and on the same points.

I haven't been logged in all weekend, I've been really busy. I was only online yesterday for just over an hour and It was all rush, rush rushin' for me because I had the opportunity for a job interviews (which meant more £££ for me).

But I'll explain my reasoning to you, despite the fact that I don't appreciate your tone, mate.

Back in Week 6, the Title Eliminators were decided. And all the-then top 16 were divided into the 4 major bodies as contenders:

it came out like this:
WBC - Benny Leonard, Abe Atell, Sandy Saddler, Stanley Ketchel
WBA - Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Salvador Sanchez, Kid Chocolate
WBO - Rocky Marciano, Roberto Duran, Harry Greb, Alexis Arguello
IBF - Eder Jofre, Ray Leonard, Henry Armstrong, Jimmy Wilde

(I would also mentionat this point, that if any skulduggery was going on for my part, don't you think I would have given myself an easier draw that Sugar Ray-fornicating-Robinson... Or Alexis Arguello for that matter.)

The title bodies all have their own opinions, as such - the WBC will favour their 4 fighters, the WBA will fvaour their 4, etc... etc...
And it works consistently down the line.
I would also point out that World Bodies have this habit of fvaouring their formber Champions, it's just the way it is, and it's been like that long before TF left...

Mike Tyson was always ranked in the WBA top 10 (sometimes even top 5) when he wasn't in any others...

And another example of this is Nino Benvenuti who was always highly ranked by the WBO.

As for Sally's ranking for this week, here is how I worked it out:

Sanchez pulled out of the title eliminators, the guys who were ranked above him did not..... Not to mention that Arguello got to the final, and Attell and Louis both got draws.

I put Chocolate below him because he didn't get any type of result against Robinson (he was Knocked Out) and I also put Dempsey below Sally because Sanchez has been consistently ranked higher than him thus far all season.

[Crease]

I hope the above explanation is good enough for you, JDC. Because with respect mate, I'm not gonna do it for every - single- decision that I make.

[Crease]

Greb offers a title shot the WBO No#1 ranked fighter, Marciano.

Yeah The Rock accepts. Thanks mate.

[Adamj1987]

if this situations happens again just make 1 of my fighters mandatory D

[Crease]

Hamed calls out Villa

Villa calles out naseem

In other words, this fight is signed.

[Crease]

if this situations happens again just make 1 of my fighters mandatory D

You having a pop, noob? Have you seen where Marciano is ranked?

[JDC]

Oops... Sorry, I've got out of the wrong side of bed. Have I become Crease's Crease?

I appreciate the work you put in, but I still have no idea what the criteria for getting those fighters in that order. If there is non, they have to be ranked joint-#X. I understand it's more work that it's worth to workout a splitter everyweek. You said you moved them about because they were the other way round last week, that's no reason in fairness.

Sorry about my approach to this, but I don't know what's going on and I've tried to get clarity on this before now. How will mandatories be decided? Will all the sanctioning bodies use the same rankings?

[Crease]

I appreciate the work you put in, but I still have no idea what the criteria for getting those fighters in that order. If there is non, they have to be ranked joint-#X. I understand it's more work that it's worth to workout a splitter everyweek. You said you moved them about because they were the other way round last week, that's no reason in fairness.

The critieria for splitters will be the same EVERY week, consistency is key. Sanchez couldn't possibly be ranked above Arguello or Attell - both of whom have beaten better competition that Salvador. And Joe Louis drew against the number one draft pick and is fighting a world title this week, I put Sally below him.

Sanchez will always be held back (a bit) when it comes to splitters because he's frequently fighting unmanaged fighters.

How will mandatories be decided? Will all the sanctioning bodies use the same rankings?

Yes the sanctioning bodies will always partially refect the Official Rankings. But remember I told you that they all of them have their favourites (whom they will tend to rank a little more higly than the others) and ALL of them will favour former holders of their titles.

So yes the Official Rankings will definitely be a barometer for them, but please take into account the whole favourites thing.

[Crease]

And so after that brief interlude, we are back to business:

UNMATCHED FIGHTERS
Armageto – Ray Leonard
Bengulnaci1 – Pernell Whitaker
BigJuicyHog – Stanley Ketchel, Ricardo Lopez
BoxBuzz – Tommy Gibbons, Dulio Loi
Crease – Kid Chocolate
Deno1986 – Muhammad Ali, Abe Attell
jBacca – Carlos Monzon, Alexis Arguello
JDC – Roberto Duran, Salvador Sanchez
Kevo – Sandy Saddler
P4P1 – Wilfredo Gomez
Sweet P – Jack Dempsey, Julio Cesar Chavez
The End – Roy Jones Jr, Floyd Mayweather

Unanswered challenges:

Sugar Ray Leonard has called out Muhammad Ali.

Willie Pep is still awaiting a sub-15 rank challenger for his IBO Title.

[Deadendgeneration]

Pep calls out both Chocolate and Dempsey then. First to ask for it, gets it. If Pep wins this fight, and Pea wins his next fight then the rematch will happen. Again.

[Crease]

*EDIT*

Kid Chocolate agrees to the WBU Title Shot.

[Deno1986]

And so after that brief interlude, we are back to business:

UNMATCHED FIGHTERS
Armageto – Ray Leonard
Bengulnaci1 – Pernell Whitaker
BigJuicyHog – Stanley Ketchel, Ricardo Lopez
BoxBuzz – Tommy Gibbons, Dulio Loi
Crease – Kid Chocolate
Deno1986 – Muhammad Ali, Abe Attell
jBacca – Carlos Monzon, Alexis Arguello
JDC – Roberto Duran, Salvador Sanchez
Kevo – Sandy Saddler
P4P1 – Wilfredo Gomez
Sweet P – Jack Dempsey, Julio Cesar Chavez
The End – Roy Jones Jr, Floyd Mayweather

Unanswered challenges:

Sugar Ray Leonard has called out Muhammad Ali.

Willie Pep is still awaiting a sub-15 rank challenger for his IBO Title.

I thought we called out SRL. Either way, sign it up if Geto is down with it.

[JDC]

Duran will fight anyone.

Sanchez wants someone really rubbish.

[Crease]

I thought we called out SRL. Either way, sign it up if Geto is down with it.

Yep you got ir right, I was wrong...

[Deadendgeneration]

Kid Chocolate calls out Julio Cesar Chavez
Backup will be Rinty Monaghan

Though he would also be keen to fight Oscar De La Hoya.

Take the title shot choco.