Prime Tyson Vs Prime Foreman, who wins?

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 10 Sep 2005, 08:29

Tyson's thing was being right in front of the other guy, bobbing and weaving, making him miss and countering with a combination or a huge left hook or an uppercut. Foreman's thing when a guy didn't back away was to shove and then whack him, that's what he'd do when Tyson came at him, just like he did to the similarly sized Frazier when he tried to swarm George, push him around the ring like a rag doll and knock him out.

cultus · Post by **cultus** » 10 Sep 2005, 19:12

mrbassie wrote:Tyson's thing was being right in front of the other guy, bobbing and weaving, making him miss and countering with a combination or a huge left hook or an uppercut. Foreman's thing when a guy didn't back away was to shove and then whack him, that's what he'd do when Tyson came at him, just like he did to the similarly sized Frazier when he tried to swarm George, push him around the ring like a rag doll and knock him out.

similar sized, Frazier.. and that's really all they had incommon! Why do you comapre him with frazier!!!.... Frazier didn't throw fast combinations or... had Tyson's handspeed and wasn't compact .. Frazier never finished his lead's.. Tyson would have done 3 times more damage when getting inside wich would have been alot. When Frazier atacked he left breathing room for Forman .. so he retaliated. Georg was too slow for Tyson. And by the way when Did frazier ever swarm George... he just standed infont of Foreman .. using one left at a time.. nothin.. no effect ... Frazier = overhyped .. and he was also a slow starter.. that when forman got his up on him anyways..

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 10 Sep 2005, 20:38

Perhaps that is all they have in common but then that's the only comparison I made so it's a bit futlie to point it out when you think about it isn't it? I was drawing attention to the ease with which Foreman could bully a smaller man around the ring, that's all.
What do you mean "when did Frazier ever swarm George?"? I didn't say he actually did, hence my use of the word 'tried'. You are wrong, Frazier did not give Foreman breathing room, Foreman shoved him back onto the ropes and whacked him, Frazier wasn't big or strong enough to stop him doing it, just like Tyson isn't/wasn't. bobbing and weaving and combination punching and who does what better is neither here nor there. Foreman would throw Tyson around the ring like a rag doll.

cultus · Post by **cultus** » 11 Sep 2005, 07:28

sorry .. mbrassie.. I was a bit drunk :) .. but .. I see your point. What I wanted to say was that Frazier was not intense enaugh for Forman... And slow starter as he was. Seize had nothing to do with it when you look at these fighters.. it's the way they did there thing.. Mike started fast .. and Foreman would have been the slowest fighter he had ever faced... Tyson would have planted lot's of shot's in the begining of the fight.. and that would have sealed the stuff. Also people imply that Mike could have not fight on backfoot but at that time he had excelent side to side movement.. Forman is too slow to capture or nail him early on. I think Forman could win when mike would have not hit that hard... And Forman also tired quick .. mike had better stamina. Forman had never faced fighter like prime Mike.. seeing what Lyle did to foreman (guy who hit hard and followed up) im sure Mike could have done two times better. TKO in the 3rd

legacykd1 · Post by **legacykd1** » 12 Sep 2005, 18:42

tyson would win becasue he can knock u out wit both hands and he was the best at his prime

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 13 Sep 2005, 11:24

legacykd1 wrote:tyson would win becasue he can knock u out wit both hands

Are you saying that Foreman couldn't knock people out with both hands?????

Loki · Post by **Loki** » 20 Sep 2005, 08:21

NOBODY WOULD HAVE BEATEN MIKE TYSON IN 1988/89

End of discussion.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 20 Sep 2005, 08:33

cultus wrote:...and Foreman would have been the slowest fighter he had ever faced...

OK, that's an enlightened statement. And exactly how many Tyson and Foreman fights have you actually seen?

theone · Post by **theone** » 20 Sep 2005, 10:50

foreman would have destroyed tyson in much of the same way he did frazier.
tysons charges would have been meet by that ramrod jab and pulverizing right hand. Foreman in his prime also had a nice little defensive move he used to do, a matador "ole"! type move he used at times when he was rushed. He'd end up rather gracefully on the other side of his opponent and make them pay. It would be another effective weapon he could use against the ever pressing tyson.

theone · Post by **theone** » 20 Sep 2005, 11:13

People tend to look at the rumble in the jungle as proof that foreman had little stamina. but look at it this way; He and Ali were fighting in africa, and it was reported to be over a hundred degrees in the ring that night. For eight rounds foreman was throwing almost nothing but power shots, f
When Lennox Lewis and Rahman fought the first time in Africa they fought in similair conditions and both looked wasted after the second round.
foreman fought for twelve rounds the same way under the blazing sun in puerto rico when he lost to jimmy young. Foreman at this time was not the same fighter. He lost something after the Ali fight. if you watch the Lyle fight, Cosell and Norton kept commenting on how different Foreman looked from the one prior to Ali. and Lyle had enough power to knock down anyone if he caught them flush. its clear if you watch the fight that Foreman thought it was going to be an easy knockout for him. he got caught by lyle when he was fighting kind of lazy and stunned to the point that the rest of the fight was a mindless wonderful slugfest that i believe is the most entertaining fight of all time. i think foreman would have been a little more careful with Tyson.

dalek · Post by **dalek** » 20 Sep 2005, 11:52

we know george was capable of recovering from big shots and fighting back.tyson i don't think ever came back from the brink to win a fight.both get hurt but george bludgeons him in about 7 rounds.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 20 Sep 2005, 11:53

Loki wrote:NOBODY WOULD HAVE BEATEN MIKE TYSON IN 1988/89.

I disagree

Loki wrote:End of discussion.

I very much doubt it.

cultus · Post by **cultus** » 20 Sep 2005, 12:09

The Great John L wrote:
cultus wrote:...and Foreman would have been the slowest fighter he had ever faced...
OK, that's an enlightened statement. And exactly how many Tyson and Foreman fights have you actually seen?

.. what?.. almost forgot about that thread.. uu I have a post here ..nice..... iv seen all of tyson's fights .. atleast 10 forman's not including the late years. Iv seen alot.. and there is no way that Tyson stands infront of Forman like Frazier did. And yes Foreman would have been one of the slowest fighters Tyson had ever fought.. ofcourse not counting the tomato can's Mike fought earlyer in his career. Hey .. the Lyle fight was one of the uglyest fight I have ever seen .. and Forman looked just awful .. even if he wasn't in shape and I saw frazier giving Foreman lot of trouble time to time and not following up his success - Tyson would have(im sure I said that before somewhere).

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 20 Sep 2005, 13:25

The only fighter that really gave Big George fits was Ali. Tyson, even at his prime, was no where near Ali's skill level. And Tyson would have been hit harder than he'd ever been fighting Foreman.
Even with his bob & weave style, George would be smart enough to hit Tyson on the shoulders, body; even push him away and fire hard shots at Mike. These would land more often than not, and Tyson would get frustrated. Just like Foreman got frustrated against Ali.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 20 Sep 2005, 13:32

Hold on there wlvrne. Don't forget about Jimmy, he worked that puzzle out pretty well.

Nile4000 · Post by **Nile4000** » 20 Sep 2005, 13:35

Tyson by late round ko

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 20 Sep 2005, 13:36

BoxBuzz wrote:Hold on there wlvrne. Don't forget about Jimmy, he worked that puzzle out pretty well.

Yes he did. It was a masterful performance.

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 20 Sep 2005, 14:03

BoxBuzz wrote:Hold on there wlvrne. Don't forget about Jimmy, he worked that puzzle out pretty well.

Once again, I stand corrected by Boxrec's venerable BoxBuzz. Yes, indeed, I did forget about that one. Proving once again that anyone can get caught up in the hype surrounding a fighter. Something I have pointed out to others in their posts.
Thank you BoxBuzz for not taking off my ears while pointing out my mistake.

theone · Post by **theone** » 20 Sep 2005, 14:11

Tyson did not fight like jimmy Young so that bout should not be a factor. Tyson wouldnt dance around the ring like Jimmy did, he would come straight in, the only way he knew how to fight. This would play right into Foremans hands. the shorter fighter would be right there for the pounding.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 20 Sep 2005, 14:37

theone wrote:Tyson did not fight like jimmy Young so that bout should not be a factor. Tyson wouldnt dance around the ring like Jimmy did, he would come straight in, the only way he knew how to fight. This would play right into Foremans hands. the shorter fighter would be right there for the pounding.

We actually agree on something. It's kinda hard to envision Tyson being able to impose his style on George. While Tyson was quick for a man his size, he didn't have as much head movement as Frazier did, and George had little problem finding Joe. I'd say George inide of 3 rounds.

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 20 Sep 2005, 14:41

theone wrote:Tyson did not fight like jimmy Young so that bout should not be a factor. Tyson wouldnt dance around the ring like Jimmy did, he would come straight in, the only way he knew how to fight. This would play right into Foremans hands. the shorter fighter would be right there for the pounding.

In this thread, you don't give Tyson a chance against Foreman. However, in the Tyson/Marciano thread, you give Rocky no chance at all.
Can you explain this? With no insults or diatribes, just a fight plan.

theone · Post by **theone** » 20 Sep 2005, 16:38

i already adressed this in the other thread but i dont mind doing so again.

The reason i pick tyson over Marciano is simple pugilistic physics. Both came straight in with bad intentions, but tysons size advantage added to his far superior hand speed would be too much for the rock to overcome. the force of tysons punches would rip his face to shreds. No amount of heart or will would overcome tysons blaring advantages.

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 20 Sep 2005, 16:59

Maybe......one has to bear in mind rocky's defense of rolling with punches. And once he does that, rocky will hit back with as much intention as Tyson did.
I think it comes down to "heart".

cultus · Post by **cultus** » 20 Sep 2005, 17:01

wlvrne wrote:The only fighter that really gave Big George fits was Ali. Tyson, even at his prime, was no where near Ali's skill level

I can see that as a definite maybe and by gods name he hit much harder than Ali .. and Forman being so slow would get hit every time. It might just end up the same Berbick fight. Not compareing Berbick with George though

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theone · Post by **theone** » 20 Sep 2005, 17:02

rocky took punches more often than rolled with them, but his opponents didnt punch hard enough and werent strong enough to stop his foward motion. Tyson would not have that problem.

Prime Tyson Vs Prime Foreman, who wins?

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