My Top 15 Heavyweights

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 11 Sep 2005, 22:37

padded record????? rocky marciano beat HOFs ezzard charles, archie moore, jersey joe walcott. those 3 ifghters are better than anyone evander ever beat.

evander # 1????? are u serious dude, u realize how much he lost. he lost way to much to be # 1.

dempsey should be top 10 or top 5, joe louis should be # 1, and rocky marciano should be top 10 or top 5.

let me give u a real list man

no correct order

joe louis
muhammad ali
rocky marciano'
jack dempsey
sonny liston
george foreman
mike tyson
larry holmes
jack johnson
joe frazier

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 11 Sep 2005, 22:39

gustom, im glad ur here. ur obviousely very inexperienced and need some education on boxing history. u came to the right place.

well show u how ur list is flawed and well introduce u to the past greats. ull look back a month from now and laugh at ur last list.

and may i add, ur top 10 list should only include heavyeight champions.
but welcome and well educate u and ull become more knowledable and ur opinion will drastically change.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 11 Sep 2005, 22:44

gustom wrote

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My Top 15 Heavyweights

1) Evander Holyfield
2) George Chuvalo
3) Muhammad Ali
4) Ken Norton
5) Ike Ibeabuchi
6) Andrew Golota
7) Willie DeWitt
8) George Foreman
9) Larry Holmes
10) Joe Frazier
11) Earnie Shavers
12) Jerry Quarry
13) Riddick Bowe
14) Joe Louis
15. scott le deux

ok man, heres people who dont belong on the list:

ike
golaa
shavers
scott le deux
chuvalo
quarry
bowe
wille de witt
ken norton

none of those guys belong on the list man.

rocky marciano, jack dempsey,, jersey joe walcott, ezzzard charles, mike tyson, lennox lewis, sonny liston, jack johnson etc would have beaten all of those guys

sharkeysboy · Post by **sharkeysboy** » 11 Sep 2005, 22:55

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Johnson
4. Marciano
5. Holmes
6. Frazier
7. Liston
8. Foreman
9. Langford
10. Tyson
11. Jeffries
12. Holyfield
13. Schmeling
14. Tunney
15. Dempsey

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 11 Sep 2005, 23:59

ok listen man, sugar ray robinson lost when he was was out of his prime, he lost only twice in his prime.

robinson in his prime went something close to 150-2!!!!!!!!
he was unstoppable. he beat many Hall of famers
and avendged both losses.

and holyfield lost to guys like bowe and moorer and struggled with many people. holyfield was not the greatest hevayweight of all time. not even close. i can think of MANY HEAVYWEIGHTS that would beat him.

mike tyson was unstoppable in his prime and he cleaned out the heavyweight division. and i wouldnt call them a list of bums. tyson beat about 6 heavyweight champions in his title defenses. and if were the 87 peak tyson vs prime holyfield , holyfield wouldnt last 3 rounds.

look at me and sharkeyboys list, very accurate. urs needs a lot of work man. take my advice.

hey sharleys boy i agree with practially all of ur picks, except why do u rate dempsey 15th??? i have dempsey close to the top 5 ever. why the low rating??

sharkeysboy · Post by **sharkeysboy** » 12 Sep 2005, 00:20

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:ok listen man, sugar ray robinson lost when he was was out of his prime, he lost only twice in his prime.

robinson in his prime went something close to 150-2!!!!!!!!
he was unstoppable. he beat many Hall of famers
and avendged both losses.

and holyfield lost to guys like bowe and moorer and struggled with many people. holyfield was not the greatest hevayweight of all time. not even close. i can think of MANY HEAVYWEIGHTS that would beat him.

mike tyson was unstoppable in his prime and he cleaned out the heavyweight division. and i wouldnt call them a list of bums. tyson beat about 6 heavyweight champions in his title defenses. and if were the 87 peak tyson vs prime holyfield , holyfield wouldnt last 3 rounds.

look at me and sharkeyboys list, very accurate. urs needs a lot of work man. take my advice.

hey sharleys boy i agree with practially all of ur picks, except why do u rate dempsey 15th??? i have dempsey close to the top 5 ever. why the low rating??

I rate Dempsey 15th because I think the 14 guys above him on the list beat him. The boxers outpoint him. And the big sluggers knock him out. He was knocked down by Tunney, knocked out of the ring by Firpo, KO'd by Fireman Flynn. Liston, Foreman, Marciano, Jeffries etc. knock him down repeatedly. That's just my opionion.

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 12 Sep 2005, 00:51

BoxBuzz wrote:gustom,Damn! my Bucket Drop was recorded! I'm going to have my home swept for cameras and microphones.

Rory? JJB does not make your top 15? I think I'm surprised. You rate Baer Higher than JJB? Your starting to worry me I need to see some better consisitency from you. Or you will be assigned additional homework.

Nah ive never argued that jjb was top 15, its part of the whole greatness about him.. i would rank him somewhere in the 20's, but he doesnt have to be the greatest ever for me to like him. yes i know jjb beat baer, but baer was a better fighter, and a more accomplished one, he just couldnt overcome the heart of the cinderella man... JJB is a GREAT champion, but not top 15, which is okay by me.

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 12 Sep 2005, 00:55

ok gustom i wanna be respectful and respect your opinion and all but BB is right you obviously have no idea what the hell your talking about... just please stop with the lists, and calling great hall of fame boxers, bums with padded records.

and sharkeys boy im detecting that since your such a big sharkey fan, that you still hold a grudge against dempsey for beating sharkey... but 15? cmon hes probly top 5 certainly top 7

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 12 Sep 2005, 03:42

gustom if ur gonna call me an idiot, im not gonna educate u man.

cause i hate to break it to u, but judging by ur list, i think u showed everyone whos the real idiot.
im not the one who rates evander holyfield as the greatest heayweight of all time and george chuvalo as the 2nd greatest. u even rate willie de witt as the 6th greatest hevayweight

sharkeysboy · Post by **sharkeysboy** » 12 Sep 2005, 04:27

Rory McCloskey wrote:ok gustom i wanna be respectful and respect your opinion and all but BB is right you obviously have no idea what the hell your talking about... just please stop with the lists, and calling great hall of fame boxers, bums with padded records.

and sharkeys boy im detecting that since your such a big sharkey fan, that you still hold a grudge against dempsey for beating sharkey... but 15? cmon hes probly top 5 certainly top 7

If you think I'm a Jack Sharkey fan because of my user name, it's Tom Sharkey I'm honoring, not Jack Sharkey. Jack Sharkey took this "stage" name because he idolized Tom, who was a sailor like Jack. I'm actually not much of a Jack Sharkey fan.

I rate Dempsey low because his reputation is largely based on KOs of Willard and Firpo and the spectacular (for the time) fight footage that resulted from those fights. Willard and Firpo were bums. It's just a fact. I do respect Dempsey's power and he'd have a slugger's chance against some of the people above him on my list.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 12 Sep 2005, 07:39

Just a few points.
- I think gustom is just trying to jerk people around with his picks. His picks are too silly to be taken seriously.

-I don't think Sharkey boy's picks are that bad. I don't think Schmeling deserves to be in there, but the others picks are reasonable. I wouldn't have the exact same order, but I doubt you can find two people that would.

As for Holyfield and Tyson, that still amazes me that people still rate Tyson higher. Tyson beat beltholders, not champions, there is a difference. Guys like Thomas, Berbik,Tubbs, Tucker, Bruno etc were not real champions. They had some ability, but were very limited. When Tyson fought Holyfield, who won? Holyfield was also older than Tyson.

Yes Holyfield has fought way past his prime, but he still has lost much less that charles and Walcott who are considered top 15-25 by many people.

The loss to Moorer is really the only "inexusable loss" for Holyfield. But I would argue that it wasn't as bad as losing to Marty Marshall, Rex Layne, Willie Meehan etc like Liston,Charles, and Dempey did, to name just a few. And Holyfield did destroy Moorer in the rematch. Losing to Bowe is no embarrassment at all. Those were great fights.

As for struggling against some other guys, well who hasn't? Marciano for example, struggled against a lots of guys who he shouldn't have.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 12 Sep 2005, 08:27

Ambling Alp wrote:I think gustom is just trying to jerk people around with his picks. His picks are too silly to be taken seriously.

I was wondering when someone was going to point this out. Obviously, he's having some fun with the way pretty much everyone on the board can justify their own rankings with "facts". When you look at any fighters record, or even their performances, you can always find things to justify your own opinion. After all, Chuvalo was a champion for 20 years!!

AlexY2K4 · Post by **AlexY2K4** » 12 Sep 2005, 09:00

Well, guston is either just kidding around or he is a little bit simple or retarded.

But judging from all his other posts, I suspect he is serious and is not kidding.

witherspoon · Post by **witherspoon** » 12 Sep 2005, 09:06

1. Ali
2. Johnson
3. Louis
4. Liston
5. Holmes
6. Foreman
7. Dempsey
8. Marciano
9. Tunney
9. Holyfield
10.Bowe
11.Lewis
12.Tyson
13.Witherspoon (if he fulfilled potential.............ok, i'm biased)
14.Frazier
15.Walcott
PS I am ranking on ability at prime. Trying not to judge p4p, but can't help it where smaller guys would be bigger if they were here today. ie Demps and Rock.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 12 Sep 2005, 09:41

Ali, Johnson and Louis stand out for me and sit above the rest.

The second tier would be Holmes, Foreman and Liston.

The third tier Dempsey, Tunney, Charles, Walcott, Marciano, Frazier, Holyfield, Lewis.

The 4th tier Jeffries, Corbett, Schmeling, Tyson, Bowe

I have to say that rating Tyson above Holyfield seems to be either completely biased or plainly non-sensical.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 12 Sep 2005, 15:16

i disagree, jack johnson doenst stick out.

the first two are defintes ali and louis

then comes 2nd teir johnson, marciano, holmes, dempsey

3rd teir foreman, frazier, tyson, liston, lewis

4th teir walcott, charles, tunney, schmelling, bowe, patterson, holyfield

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 12 Sep 2005, 16:32

I think Johnson should be given serious consideration. However this fella Joe Jeanette who seemed to have his number is a very interesting enigma. I would love to be pointed in any direction that would lead me to more info on him.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 13 Sep 2005, 21:52

what happened to gustom?

Barrera · Post by **Barrera** » 14 Sep 2005, 04:28

01.) Muhammad Ali
02.) Joe Louis
03.) Lennox Lewis
04.) Jack Johnson
05.) Sonny Liston
06.) Jack Dempsey
07.) Larry Holmes
08.) Rocky Marciano
09.) Young Stibling
19.) George Foreman
11.) Max Schmeling
12.) Joe Frazier
13.) Gene Tunney
14.) Jersey Joe Walcott
15.) Evander Holyfield

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 14 Sep 2005, 11:13

im sry man but young stribling does not belong in the top 10. if u put him in, u better put max schemlling in who took stribling to school then knocked him out in the 15th

theone · Post by **theone** » 14 Sep 2005, 18:26

if your rating this by accomplishment then:
Ali
Louis
Marciano
Johnson
Foreman
Holmes
Demsey
Frazier
Lewis
Holyfield
Tyson
Charles
Patterson
Walcott
Tunney

If your rating on who would have won in a round robin tournament then:

Ali
Foreman
Frazier
Holmes
Liston
Lewis
Holyfield
Tyson
Dempsey
Louis
Marciano
Tunney
Walcott
Patterson
Charles

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 14 Sep 2005, 18:55

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:i disagree, jack johnson doenst stick out.

the first two are defintes ali and louis

then comes 2nd teir johnson, marciano, holmes, dempsey

3rd teir foreman, frazier, tyson, liston, lewis

4th teir walcott, charles, tunney, schmelling, bowe, patterson, holyfield

id say hats a pretty acurate assumption.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 14 Sep 2005, 20:24

the one wrote

f your rating on who would have won in a round robin tournament then:

Ali
Foreman
Frazier
Holmes
Liston
Lewis
Holyfield
Tyson
Dempsey
Louis
Marciano
Tunney
Walcott
Patterson
Charles

i see ur very bias and favor the modern heavyweights more.

well i disgaree with ur list, and i just wanna say no one beats joe louis at his peak IMO if they fought a series of 3 louis would at least win 2 out of 3 IMO. i think ali defintely had the best chance

top 15 in a round robin head to head tournament

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad ali
3. Jack Johnson
4. prime Mike Tyson
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Larry Holmes
7. Sonny Liston
8. Jack Dempsey
9. George Foreman
10. Joe Frazier
11. Lennox Lewis
12. Jersey Joe Walcott
13. James Jeffries
14. Ezzard Charles
15. Riddick Bowe

theone · Post by **theone** » 14 Sep 2005, 20:44

Not bais Brockton, just realistic. Joe Louis as great as he was did not have the chin or foot speed to beat a prime Ali. It wouldnt even be close. Everyone who i ranked over him were too strong, hit too hard and had great chins. Well except for Lewis but he would have made up for his china chin with his jab, mobility and crushing right hand.
Honestly, joe was rocked way too many times by smallish heavyweights for me too think he would have taken the bombs of the fighters i listed above him. This isnt Abe Simons or Buddy Baez we are talking about. These are big tough heavyweights who hit harder than anyone Louis ever fought.
Ali, Holmes and lewis would have outboxed and the others would have knocked him out.

theone · Post by **theone** » 14 Sep 2005, 20:58

I meant Buddy Baer..sorry.