Philadelphia vs Detroit.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 12 Sep 2005, 15:38

To citys famous in the Boxing world for producing wonderfull fighters but which town produced the best?

Philadelphia
Which produced the likes of Joe Frazier, Jimmy Young, Tommy Loughran, & Matthew Saad Muhammad amongst many others.

Detroit
Had Joe Louis, Thomas Hearns, Holman Williams, Tom Johnson etc etc.

So which city is the greatest fight fans?

ShoeShine · Post by **ShoeShine** » 12 Sep 2005, 15:53

Philly has the best fighters by far, philly fighters are soo good that there are some that u never even heard of bc they were ruined in those notorious sparring wars that Philly is known for. I was at the legendary Blue Horizon on Friday and there is some really good local talent here in Philly...and also

to Raheem Zahir, he's a Philly guy also.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 13 Sep 2005, 09:07

Look at the fighters of today that are from Detroit as well.

Mayweather
Byrd
Toney

A few others but these are very good fighters.

Detroit produces the best talent by far.

ShoeShine · Post by **ShoeShine** » 13 Sep 2005, 09:27

Grimm wrote:Look at the fighters of today that are from Detroit as well.

Mayweather
Byrd
Toney

A few others but these are very good fighters.

Detroit produces the best talent by far.

I thought the question pertained to cities only not states, not only are they not from Detriot but they dont even train there.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 13 Sep 2005, 14:53

I'll tell ya what, Philly has the edge in terms of prestige and perceptions.
You can ask that question all around the world and Philadelphia gets the nod as the pinnacle of boxing geographics.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 14 Sep 2005, 05:46

I'd say its has to be Philly... so many great fighters from there its untrue!...

barry · Post by **barry** » 14 Sep 2005, 06:04

Philly just has such a large quanity of fighters, especially from the first fifty years of the 1900s that few could compare to their numbers, except New York of course! Overall I would say Philadelphia as well!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 14 Sep 2005, 06:09

Philly fighters always seem to have a certain mindset as well. In much the same way as Mexican fighters do. They really seem to have been born to fight.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 14 Sep 2005, 07:30

Philly has quantity Detroit has quality.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 14 Sep 2005, 08:10

Grimm wrote:Philly has quantity Detroit has quality.

How can you say Philly doesn't have quality???...... I'd say that Philly beats Detroit for both quantity and quality..... look at the fighters that have come out of Philly...

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 14 Sep 2005, 09:07

Philadelphia has more all time greats and world class fighters than any city in the globe.

Just to mention champions like Joe Frazier, Meldrick Taylor, Bernard Hopkins, Jeff Chandler, Tommy Loughran, Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, Matthew Saad Muhammad, and great contenders like Gil Turner, Willie Monroe, Bobby Watts, Bennie Briscoe, and many others that I cannot remember because they were many, it's IMPOSSIBLE to see a city that tops Philly.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 14 Sep 2005, 13:34

ShoeShine wrote:Philly has the best fighters by far, philly fighters are soo good that there are some that u never even heard of bc they were ruined in those notorious sparring wars that Philly is known for.

I really wish somebody would write a good book on this subject.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 14 Sep 2005, 14:31

elmersalsa wrote:Philadelphia has more all time greats and world class fighters than any city in the globe.

Just to mention champions like Joe Frazier, Meldrick Taylor, Bernard Hopkins, Jeff Chandler, Tommy Loughran, Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, Matthew Saad Muhammad, and great contenders like Gil Turner, Willie Monroe, Bobby Watts, Bennie Briscoe, and many others that I cannot remember because they were many, it's IMPOSSIBLE to see a city that tops Philly.

Yeah, probably the only other city that comes close to Philly is NewYork... but Philly is the main man... too many greats to list!...

ShoeShine · Post by **ShoeShine** » 14 Sep 2005, 15:02

Im proud to love boxing and also be from Philly 8) , for this to be a fight town there isnt much talk about boxing here as it use to be, people here mainly talk about the Eagles. I mean you still get a good card at the Blue every month but for all of the history that boxing in philly has it seems to be dieing a little.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 14 Sep 2005, 15:36

ShoeShine wrote:Im proud to love boxing and also be from Philly 8) , for this to be a fight town there isnt much talk about boxing here as it use to be, people here mainly talk about the Eagles. I mean you still get a good card at the Blue every month but for all of the history that boxing in philly has it seems to be dieing a little.

Thats a shame... maybe it'll pick up again. Boxing seems to be indecline everywhere though......

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 14 Sep 2005, 17:20

elmersalsa wrote:Philadelphia has more all time greats and world class fighters than any city in the globe.

Just to mention champions like Joe Frazier, Meldrick Taylor, Bernard Hopkins, Jeff Chandler, Tommy Loughran, Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, Matthew Saad Muhammad, and great contenders like Gil Turner, Willie Monroe, Bobby Watts, Bennie Briscoe, and many others that I cannot remember because they were many, it's IMPOSSIBLE to see a city that tops Philly.

Since you bring up Jack O' Brien how about a great Detroiter that beat him around the ring for 10 rounds that goes by the name of stanley ketchel.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 14 Sep 2005, 18:44

Leave it to Grimm to bring up all the best of the Motown Maulers and remind us that in fact the question is up for debate. Just when we thought we skunking the Motor City.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 14 Sep 2005, 18:50

Far more great fghters have come out of Philly than Detroit... its a mathematical fact!... 8)

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 14 Sep 2005, 20:54

silkov wrote:Far more great fghters have come out of Philly than Detroit... its a mathematical fact!... 8)

Shut up you don't even know where those places are.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 14 Sep 2005, 20:56

What about the greatest heavyweight of all time.

Joe Louis.

No one that came out of Philly was even close to his greatness.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 14 Sep 2005, 20:58

ShoeShine wrote:
Grimm wrote:Look at the fighters of today that are from Detroit as well.

Mayweather
Byrd
Toney

A few others but these are very good fighters.

Detroit produces the best talent by far.
I thought the question pertained to cities only not states, not only are they not from Detriot but they dont even train there.

Toney and Byrd are.

I don't care what they're listed as they came from here.

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 14 Sep 2005, 20:59

BoxBuzz wrote:I'll tell ya what, Philly has the edge in terms of prestige and perceptions.
You can ask that question all around the world and Philadelphia gets the nod as the pinnacle of boxing geographics.

As a Mexican I have to say Philadelphia is the pinnacle of boxing geographics in the U.S. More so than Detroit. Philadelphia has always had at least one great fighter in the last 4 decades. So my vote goes to Philadelphia. Although currently i'd have to say Detroit has a few greats.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 15 Sep 2005, 06:08

Grimm wrote:
silkov wrote:Far more great fghters have come out of Philly than Detroit... its a mathematical fact!... 8)
Shut up you don't even know where those places are.

Do you always stoop to insults when your views on the world are challenged?. You can't have much confidence in them......

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 15 Sep 2005, 06:13

vagabundo55 wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:I'll tell ya what, Philly has the edge in terms of prestige and perceptions.
You can ask that question all around the world and Philadelphia gets the nod as the pinnacle of boxing geographics.
As a Mexican I have to say Philadelphia is the pinnacle of boxing geographics in the U.S. More so than Detroit. Philadelphia has always had at least one great fighter in the last 4 decades. So my vote goes to Philadelphia. Although currently i'd have to say Detroit has a few greats.

Ofcourse great fighters have come out of Detroit but more have come out of Philly... far more... you only need to go through the lists of champions to see that.
After Philly I'd put NewYork.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 15 Sep 2005, 13:04

Byrd did not grow up nor train in the Detroit school of boxing.

He was born and started his career in the city of Flint. Same state, different place.

Toney on the other hand did not grow up in Detroit but learned boxing in Detroit gyms, thus you could call him a Detroit fighter.