Hatton

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 14 Sep 2005, 19:25

hatton doesn't wanna fight witter cos he disrespected him. its that simple fella's.

if witter had showed some class he may have got his shot. he didn't so hatton won't give him the payday unless its gonna be worth his while.

maussa knocked out vivian harris in 7 rds. who the fornicate has junior witter knocked out at world level.

states · Post by **states** » 14 Sep 2005, 19:38

[quote="hitman_hatton1"]hatton doesn't wanna fight witter cos he disrespected him. its that simple fella's.

if witter had showed some class he may have got his shot. he didn't so hatton won't give him the payday unless its gonna be worth his while.
[quote]

Well, that was my point as well: Hatton just doesn't need Witter. Yes, he should have fought him a few years ago, no doubt. But right now, Hatton is acclaimed on the world stage, and as undeserved as it may seem, nobody gives a shit about Witter.

And Junior hasn't helped himself, as Hitman_Hatton1 (possibly biased?

) says, knocking Hatton was one thing: Claiming that he'd have sparked Tszyu in 5 is another. Witter has badmouthed Ricky for years, and he hasn't gotten himself the shot, perhaps he should have tried being a little humble? Still might not have worked, true. But I can understand why Hatton, a very respectful guy, has no time for a loudmouthed braggart.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 14 Sep 2005, 19:44

u got it states.

i truly believed witter would have got his precious shot at hatton, had he showed some respect.

he didn't so he got fornicate all.

lets hope mayweather decides to box his wbc no1 in his next fight and brings him down a peg or two.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 14 Sep 2005, 20:05

You Hattonites are way out there... why the hell should Witter show Hatton respect in order to get a fight with him?. This is boxing, they are boxers!... these aren't two girls in a manners school!.
The reason Witter said things about Hatton was because Hatton was/is ducking him. Its really pathetic to justify Hatton not fighting Witter just cause Junior called him a few bad names!.
As I said earlier if Hatton was half the fighter he's made out to be he'd get Witter in the ring and try and teach him a lesson.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 14 Sep 2005, 20:07

hitman_hatton1 wrote:u got it states.

i truly believed witter would have got his precious shot at hatton, had he showed some respect.

he didn't so he got fornicate all.

lets hope mayweather decides to box his wbc no1 in his next fight and brings him down a peg or two.

Least Witter has the balls to want to take Mayweather on.

states · Post by **states** » 14 Sep 2005, 20:22

I'm sure he has, but it isn't going to happen right now, is it? And are you implying that Hatton hasn't? Hatton, after all, has fought the divisions accepted number 1. So I hope you're not implying that Hatton has no balls.

Look mate, see my earlier post: I, as a Hatton fan, think Hatton should fight Witter. The point is that Witter hasn't done himself any favours by belittling a man who has achieved more than he has, regardless of whether he thinks he can beat him or not.

bigynzing · Post by **bigynzing** » 14 Sep 2005, 23:03

silkov wrote:You Hattonites are way out there... why the hell should Witter show Hatton respect in order to get a fight with him?. This is boxing, they are boxers!... these aren't two girls in a manners school!.
The reason Witter said things about Hatton was because Hatton was/is ducking him. Its really pathetic to justify Hatton not fighting Witter just cause Junior called him a few bad names!.
As I said earlier if Hatton was half the fighter he's made out to be he'd get Witter in the ring and try and teach him a lesson.

Maybe Witter was disrespectfull to Hatton because he knew that if he give him some shit Hatton wouldn want to fight him..in doing so he may of been using the old double bluff technique..thanking his lucky stars that Hatton wont fight him because in reality he`s filling his shorts.

Pederson , Vilches, Olivera, Phillips, Rios, Tackie...all better than anyone Witter has fought....even Ndou(who IMO had the fight beaten out of him from Cotto) is very, very limited....Witter has done very little to deserve a shot....

Also...a "Proper man" wouldnt sit with Juniors dick in his mouth whilst rubbing his chebb`s

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 15 Sep 2005, 04:09

states wrote:The only thing that makes this fight is the WBA belt, and we all know that.

And if Hatton wins both the IBF and WBA titles, that makes him unified champion in the eyes of the WBA, so we get another 'ordinary' WBA champion after that. Quality

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 15 Sep 2005, 04:23

bigynzing wrote:
silkov wrote:You Hattonites are way out there... why the hell should Witter show Hatton respect in order to get a fight with him?. This is boxing, they are boxers!... these aren't two girls in a manners school!.
The reason Witter said things about Hatton was because Hatton was/is ducking him. Its really pathetic to justify Hatton not fighting Witter just cause Junior called him a few bad names!.
As I said earlier if Hatton was half the fighter he's made out to be he'd get Witter in the ring and try and teach him a lesson.

Maybe Witter was disrespectfull to Hatton because he knew that if he give him some shit Hatton wouldn want to fight him..in doing so he may of been using the old double bluff technique..thanking his lucky stars that Hatton wont fight him because in reality he`s filling his shorts.

Pederson , Vilches, Olivera, Phillips, Rios, Tackie...all better than anyone Witter has fought....even Ndou(who IMO had the fight beaten out of him from Cotto) is very, very limited....Witter has done very little to deserve a shot....

Also...a "Proper man" wouldnt sit with Juniors dick in his mouth whilst rubbing his chebb`s

Ndous better than anyone Hatton fought other than Tyuzu. To say he got the fight beat out of him by Cotto is laughable when he broke Cottos ribs, pressured him to the end, while never been hurt and some (not me) say he beat Cotto. How exactly do you get the fight beat out of you while not been hurt?

Witter may have been respectful for the first 2years? Was he? But Hattons blatant ducking hardly gives him any reason to respect Hatton.

Plusi t is boxing u don't hype a fight by calling your opponent a nice fella, do u???

J · Post by J » 15 Sep 2005, 04:56

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
J wrote:http://education.yahoo.com/reference/fa ... heast_Asia

nuff said.

whatever mate you are blatently a prize prick even when presented with facts you tried to work your way out of it.

im bored of talking to you now, suggest you use you "intellect" to learn where south east asia is, your argument is pathetic.

you bought hitler in as a comparison of my following of hatton.

thats pretty low in my opinion.

as for my intellect it is very apparent mate, that im smarter than you are , secondly what i do for a living would support a pretty high level of rational and educated intellect so one suggests that you should learn a simple thing like where countries are, before being detrimental in the outset over folk that you know nothing about.

cos you might get your fingers burned.

goodbye you ignorant pratt. enjoy looking at that atlas.
You just gave me the Western Definition, go look up the Islamic definition. Paks refer to Pakistan as South East Asia.

I don't profess to know about Geography, I was talking about boxing, which you don't debate on because you can see your beat.

You can call me prick on here but I doubt you'd say it to my face, because your white collar office worker whos a hardman in your dreams. And your only way of been a realman in your mind is to get some kind of self achievement through Ricky Hattons achievement. Hence when its quite correctly pointed out hes a well managed duck specialist it upsets you.

As for your job, I run my own business and I gurantee in a week I'll at least earn what you do in a month. And studying stock markets or whatever you do is barely advanced.

1. im not gettiing drawn into this again but to bring some closure, are you muslim cos im not and i cant see what relevance that has then, AND youre talking out your arse cos as i requested from my muslim boss if under any cricumstances Pakistan would be know as south east asia, he looked at me and said what the fornicate are you on about.;

2. Yes i woudl call you a prick to your face sunshine, you really are mixing me up qwith somone else iof you think i dont do what i say and am bothered about speaking my mind no matter what the consequences. Those who know will back that up and yes i can handle myself so dont get too confused mate just cos you work in office doesnt mean you are a pussy.

3. Who brought money into it, but i very much doubt you do mate.

4. studying stock markets what? there you go again making assumptions bout stuff you know fornicate all about.stop it.

5. Silkov has a different opinion to me, dont see me and him rowing, its you that got downright rude with your hitler analogy, no matter who it was intended, i find it offensive and responded as such. Since then you have made numrous assunmptioons and allegations about me personally none of which hold any water. you on the other hand are definitely a prick.

6. As for achievements again you are crapping on about things you know fornicate all about. You dont know me from adam mate, but i tell you one thing as far a sport goes ive acheieved quite a bit, playing cricket and rugby to county standard as a late teen and a second dan in Wado ryu so think on dickhead.

now, im gonna let this drop cos its futile arguing with someone who basically doesnt know his arse from his elbow.

and search keep fornicating out of it, i still owe you from the 7.7 mate.

i will never forget that.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 15 Sep 2005, 05:33

bigynzing wrote:
silkov wrote:You Hattonites are way out there... why the hell should Witter show Hatton respect in order to get a fight with him?. This is boxing, they are boxers!... these aren't two girls in a manners school!.
The reason Witter said things about Hatton was because Hatton was/is ducking him. Its really pathetic to justify Hatton not fighting Witter just cause Junior called him a few bad names!.
As I said earlier if Hatton was half the fighter he's made out to be he'd get Witter in the ring and try and teach him a lesson.

Maybe Witter was disrespectfull to Hatton because he knew that if he give him some shit Hatton wouldn want to fight him..in doing so he may of been using the old double bluff technique..thanking his lucky stars that Hatton wont fight him because in reality he`s filling his shorts.

Pederson , Vilches, Olivera, Phillips, Rios, Tackie...all better than anyone Witter has fought....even Ndou(who IMO had the fight beaten out of him from Cotto) is very, very limited....Witter has done very little to deserve a shot....

Also...a "Proper man" wouldnt sit with Juniors dick in his mouth whilst rubbing his chebb`s

Your rather purile insults don't actually carry much weight regarding constructive argument.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 15 Sep 2005, 05:41

states wrote:I'm sure he has, but it isn't going to happen right now, is it? And are you implying that Hatton hasn't? Hatton, after all, has fought the divisions accepted number 1. So I hope you're not implying that Hatton has no balls.

Look mate, see my earlier post: I, as a Hatton fan, think Hatton should fight Witter. The point is that Witter hasn't done himself any favours by belittling a man who has achieved more than he has, regardless of whether he thinks he can beat him or not.

I wasn't having a go at you personally earlier just stating my view on the situation. Some of you take this Hatton stuff far too seriously... no need for personal insults is there?.
Far as Hatton having no balls... what do you think is more 'manly' to fight someone who has called you out and 'insulted' you or to say ' eehh I'm not fighting him! he's called me a nasty name!'.
Remember this is BOXING! not bloody football.
I never heard Joe Frazier use the same excuse to avoid fighting Ali!.
Thats what a boxer, certainly a champion should be like.
Also as I said earlier Witter only started the badmouthing after he'd already waited about 2 years for the fight. And from what I remember Hatton said a good few things himself about Witter.... all of which he has since failed to back up.

J · Post by J » 15 Sep 2005, 05:48

i think that FW had as much to do with freezing JW out to be honest silkov, think far too much is beeing placed on RH shouders mate here.

Now its now gonna happen til JW brings osmethign to the table and why should he fight him for little reward.

As i said earlier in the thread this is the same old argument going round in cricles, i wish they would just both get on with their careers to be honest.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 15 Sep 2005, 05:58

This is turning into ESB....

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 15 Sep 2005, 06:01

Southpaw Stylist wrote:This is turning into ESB....

ESB ain't that bad theres tons of funny stuff in the Off Topic section.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 15 Sep 2005, 06:03

J wrote:i think that FW had as much to do with freezing JW out to be honest silkov, think far too much is beeing placed on RH shouders mate here.

Now its now gonna happen til JW brings osmethign to the table and why should he fight him for little reward.

As i said earlier in the thread this is the same old argument going round in cricles, i wish they would just both get on with their careers to be honest.

Same old argument cause Hatton keeps doing the same old ducking routine. As for FW being responsible for Hatton not fighting Witter, Hatton isn't with Alleged now is he and he still shows no sign of wanting to sort things out with Witter.
As for Hatton fighting Witter for little reward do you really think Hatton wouldn't get more money fighting Witter than he is getting fighting Maussa.
A Witter vs Hatton fight would be huge here and it could sell in America now too as Witter has a good profile there now. I doubt the American networks are fighting eachother for Hatton vs Maussa!.
Hatton vs Witter would be the biggest fight here since Bruno vs lewis and I agree with what another poster said earlier that Hatton has betrayed the sport by not fighting Witter... its the bloody truth. Hatton vs Witter should have taken place 2 or 3 years ago!.
I actually think Witter is on the wane now... a boxer with his style uasually starts to fade in his late 20s or early 30s. The speed and stamina starts to go...

J · Post by J » 15 Sep 2005, 06:09

well agian we are gonna have to agree to disagree on this, i dont think its all hattons fault is being made out here.

Fight witter for fornicate all or fight maussa get another belt and open the doors to a superfight with floyd or Cotto hmmm tough one there me thinks.

i know what i woudl do.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 15 Sep 2005, 06:22

J wrote:well agian we are gonna have to agree to disagree on this, i dont think its all hattons fault is being made out here.

Fight witter for fornicate all or fight maussa get another belt and open the doors to a superfight with floyd or Cotto hmmm tough one there me thinks.

i know what i woudl do.

But he wouldn't be fighting Witter for f++k all?. As big a fight as that would be he'd be bound to get more money for a Witter fight than he's getting for fighting Maussa?... surely you can see that. A win over Witter would cement Ricky right at the top and prove he's the best in Britain and Europe..... why doesn't he want that.
Whatever else he does in his career if Ricky never fights Witter there will always be that question mark over him and he will not have proved himself the best even in Britain.

J · Post by J » 15 Sep 2005, 06:28

DO YOU THINK? Im not so sure he would get the 1.5 mill being touted.

I can see your point, i just think that both fighters have played their part ion this fight happeniong and land it all on RH's plate is somwehat unfair.

thats all.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 15 Sep 2005, 06:28

I can remember being at Hatton v Pendleton. Brendan Ingle was at ringside chatting to someone, and he was fornicating fuming, complaining that Witter wasn't getting the opportunities that Hatton was getting.

I think this is where the bitterness started. Witter and Ingle saw that Hatton was getting all the opportunities, whilst Witter was being kept on the back burner. That's why they started calling Hatton out, they wanted to leapfrog over Hatton and take his place.

Truth is, how many promoters do you know of that pitch two of their best fighters against one another? I think it was wishful thinking on behalf of Witter and the Ingles

By the time Witter defected to Hennessy, Hatton was already on his way to getting that title shot, and it no longer made any sense to take Witter on, as it was bragging rights only.

I personally hope Witter can get a belt and that he and Hatton fight to unify the titles, now THAT would be a massive fight.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 15 Sep 2005, 06:38

Do you think Hatton would be so eager to fight for Maussas belt if it were held by Witter instead???. I think not.
Hatton vs Witter is a huge fight already, Witter doesn't need to hold a belt to make it a big fight.

csmith · Post by **csmith** » 15 Sep 2005, 06:38

J wrote:well agian we are gonna have to agree to disagree on this, i dont think its all hattons fault is being made out here.

Fight witter for fornicate all or fight maussa get another belt and open the doors to a superfight with floyd or Cotto hmmm tough one there me thinks.

i know what i woudl do.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 15 Sep 2005, 06:39

Utter bollocks.

Witter isn't a draw. He's talented but he hasn't got a major fan base. In simple economic terms, a fight with Witter is no bigger than a fight with Maussa. If anything a unification fight against Maussa is a BIGGER fight.

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 15 Sep 2005, 06:46

To say Witter isn't a draw is a little unfair, but in truth Witter- Hatton would get the same amount of viewers / spectators as Maussa - Hatton, only they'd be slightly more interested...

Maussa's fair game. Fine, he's not Ray Robinson but for those who are castigating Hatton for making the match, should the WBA title now just be abandoned because you don't think the champion is very good? If you think you can beat the champ, make the match and beat him. Hatton's fortunate that he canmake a 'unification' with a champ of apparently limited ability. Them's the rubs.

Maussa's not going to be easy while he's there - I imagine he's very hard to prepare for. That said, I'd expect Hatton to stop him.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 15 Sep 2005, 06:54

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Utter bollocks.

Witter isn't a draw. He's talented but he hasn't got a major fan base. In simple economic terms, a fight with Witter is no bigger than a fight with Maussa. If anything a unification fight against Maussa is a BIGGER fight.

Maussa is a bigger fight here than Witter?.... thats rubbish mate and you should know it. If you really don't think Hatton vs Witter is a big fight then I don't know where you've been living. Aside from that Hatton isn't avoiding Witter because he's worried about the 'draw'. Hattons fought so many pushovers... were they all bigger draws than Witter???..... nonsense!.