Best and worst tank jobs.

[delisa]

Foreman's tank against Tommy Morrison.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Unlike some of the other fights mentioned here, I have always thought that this was a fight that was strange; not sure if Walcott took a dive, quit or what.

First, Walcott hardly throws any punches in the beginning. He is just clinching. Then he goes down, and looks like he could get up easily. He waits until 10 and then pops right up. Hard to believe that he wouldn't be smart enough to get up before 10.
Then he walks around the ring casually. All of a sudden he is furious at the ref. If he really was furious at the ref, why not start screaming right away?

The "black out" excuse doesn't sound legit at all.

But the symptoms you describe above are 100% consistent with the blackout story. He got up straight away. He didnt know there was a controversy and walked around casually and then he started complaining later on when told that he had lost. If he blacked out, he would have also had memory loss. He wouldnt have argued straight away because he woudnt have known it was the end of the fight, even.

It's not 100 % consistent at all.
First, it still doesn't explain why he was not throwing punches. There was hardly any clinches in the first fight but that is all Walcott was doing in the first round before the knockdown. He was not throwing hardly any punches. He didn't look like he was really trying. He really didn't seem to be hit hard to enough to be seriously hurt.

I think the blackout was thought of after the fact. You would think that if blacked out he would black out right away after he got hit and went down, and then he would and cleared his head, which is what usually happens. It is odd that he would get hurt with a punch and go down, seem to be ok, then blackout. Not impossible but rare.

However, lets pretend that he did blackout when he said he did. He got up and seemed fine. He was walking around calmly. All of a sudden he is upset at the referee; as he if he suddenly remembered he should be upset over the supposed quick count. If he really blacked out, he wouldn't have known that the count was supposedly quick and therefore he would not have been arguing with the referee. He may have thought to himself (if he really blacked out) that he didn't remember being down that long, but he wouldn't automatically think the referee cheated him.

It's also unlikely that he would he black out and then still pop up immediately after the ref counted ten. He didn't pop up before the 10-count or several seconds after the 10-count. He popped up right when the ref counted 10. That is quite a coincidence. He had to have known the referee counted him out.

I disagree that he didn't know that the fight was over for a long time, then realized it was and started to argue with the referee. That doesn't make any sense.
Obviously he would have seen several other people in the ring.
If he didn't know the fight was over, he would not have known to argue that he got a quick count. He would have continued fighting as soon as got up.

Unlike some of these other fights mentioned, there is a lot of suspicious things going on. I suppose it is possible that he simply mistimed the referees count (ie Quarry vs Chuvalo) and got up right after the referee said 10. However, it seems more likely that he tanked it.

How many punches was he supposed to have thrown?

It was round one against a rival who had spectacularly KO'd him last time out.

[ropeadope]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrysDcXa ... re=related

Paul Briggs vs Danny Green

[man]

The only thing that would even make me begin to question it is Etiennes removal of the mouthpiece, but big deal, fighters do all sorts of weird shit when they are hurt (by that logic Simon Brown was capable of continuing to fight against Pettway as he threw punches at phantoms while lying on his back) ...

i never fought and i give credit and all possible benefit
of doubt to all pros who do for a living. having said that,
this precise and conscious removal of the mouthpiece,
not spitting it out or let it hang out in order to get oxygen,
looked very weird. it just did.

[klompton]

Ive seen it happen way to many times to think everyone whose ever done that threw a fight. Its well known that fighters have fought fights after getting rocked and have no memory of the fight afterwards etc. So why is it so hard to believe that a guy can be laying on the ground unconcious throwing punches but cant remove his mouthpiece without being perfectly lucid? Thats the problem with having your brains scrambled, you can do some weird looking shit and not even know it. Ive seen guys get rocked and start arguing with the ref thinking the ref hit them, I saw a guy get hit once and the non-chalantly turn sideways and start walking over to the ring edge like he was taking a sunday stroll only have the opponent lay into him and knock him cold. I have a hard time second guessing a guy who clearly gets blasted with a good punch because he removes his gumshield.

[man]

Ive seen it happen way to many times to think everyone whose ever done that threw a fight. Its well known that fighters have fought fights after getting rocked and have no memory of the fight afterwards etc. So why is it so hard to believe that a guy can be laying on the ground unconcious throwing punches but cant remove his mouthpiece without being perfectly lucid? Thats the problem with having your brains scrambled, you can do some weird looking shit and not even know it. Ive seen guys get rocked and start arguing with the ref thinking the ref hit them, I saw a guy get hit once and the non-chalantly turn sideways and start walking over to the ring edge like he was taking a sunday stroll only have the opponent lay into him and knock him cold. I have a hard time second guessing a guy who clearly gets blasted with a good punch because he removes his gumshield.

i see and respect your point, you have obviously
seen more than i did, yet i cannot help it ... this
move just looks very conscious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=742ysyB1rxs

[Goodnight, Irene]

You'll believe anything if you buy Etienne's tankjob against Tyson.

[Goodnight, Irene]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrysDcXa ... re=related

Paul Briggs vs Danny Green

One of the worst in ring history. Ever.

Klompton would be on his feet applauding Briggs' courage.

[yancey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrysDcXa ... re=related

Paul Briggs vs Danny Green

That has to be the most pitiful tank job I've ever seen.

Please tell me they held up his purse.

[klompton]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrysDcXa ... re=related

Paul Briggs vs Danny Green

One of the worst in ring history. Ever.

Klompton would be on his feet applauding Briggs' courage.

Considering you suckers down there not only allowed it to take place but paid to watch it... I dont know, I dont think Id be pointing fingers. When you guys all get psyched up over a guy getting into the ring with serious diagnosed brain damage what do you expect to happen. Yeah, Ill take Etienne getting cracked with legit hard punch on his proven glass jaw over Briggs conciously quiting after feeling that cool breeze from Greens punches any day.

[Goodnight, Irene]

You sure he didnt go out on his shield, ala Spinks?

[klompton]

No I think both of them got knocked the fornicate out. Just like Green against Tarver, and Wlod.

[man]

No I think both of them got knocked the eff out. Just like Green against Tarver, and Wlod.

don't get me wrong. i don't doubt etienne was
brought down by a huge hand, not at all. and
it could well be he couldn't get up if he had tried.
but he didn't try at all ... and my point is that
if you're conscious enough to take out your
mouthpiece like that ... you can TRY to get up.

[orbtastic]

I can't think past Bruce Seldon against Tyson.

[Jaclem]

.......i wish i had a collection of films of aaron pryor's early fights that i saw at ringside..there would be enough to fill a apge and give the standard to compare other tank-o's with.

[Giancarlo]

.......i wish i had a collection of films of aaron pryor's early fights that i saw at ringside..there would be enough to fill a apge and give the standard to compare other tank-o's with.

Do you really think Pryor was a total fraud?

I ask as you have been posting this for years and seem to be getting more and more vocal about it as you approach your century.

I can sort of understand how you could constantly post about the 1st Arguello fight and the black bottle but now it seems all the earlier bouts were fixed too.

You really believe that?

[orbtastic]

We'll never know, the earliest fight on tape is the Valdez fight, I think.

[observer1]

Depends what you mean by taking a dive

Did they quit? Or did they get paid to lose?

In the case of Tyson vs Spinks/Seldon/Etienne. I have a hard time believing they were paid off. Tyson came in as heavy favorite, and was expect to win, probably through KO anyway.

I think Spinks bailed as soon as he realized he was in trouble.
Seldon looked for a way out as soon as possible.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Thats what Im saying. Those guys werent paid. They just dove to avoid punishment.

Seldon's was of course the worst, but I still laugh watching the other two. Pitiful.

[BoxBuzz]

Giving up when you have abandoned hope.........is that really a dive? I'd call it a success on behalf of your opponent.

[Jaclem]

......giancarlo.....we are both heading to a landmark in our lives to arrive at the same time.....my century and your arriving at puberty...

the only thing i said about aaron pryor's fights in my post is that i saw...live....so many of his early fights that were obvious tank jobs....aaron my not even have been in on them....sometimes he looked like the most surprised guy in the arena when an opponent went down from a punch that missed by so much it came closer to hitting the referee than the other guy.

many times over the years a fighter left the fight locale in an ambulance......i think many of aaron's competitors ARRIVED in one.

have a nice day...