Saul Alvarez - could this chap look any more irish??

[slapbangwhallop]

"His origins are from the Basque areas of Spain, which isn't surprising when you look at him because a lot of Irish people have ancestors from the same area."

Thats a myth

a. Sauls background beingfrom the Basque region isnt a myth - but as far as I know its only a rumour which one guy on eastside said which I assume is where BE got that in from.

b. the Basques are a Celtic people like those from Ireland and there is a large correlation in the DNA of both.

c. I think you mean that the myth bit is the "Black Irish" - i.e. people from the west of Ireland with black hair like my mothers side have ancestry from those ships that crashed and got washed up in Ireland with the Spanish Armada - now that is a myth because only a handful of them ever made it ashore and unless they were nailin 20 bhurds a day then it would have been impossible for them to make an impact like that.

[slapbangwhallop]

Im in ireland right now and i dont even know a red headed person that i could name of the top of my head or know by name...
Not as common as one would think.......

What part are you living? I see at least one everyday and I know a good few

edit: probably because the halting site is only down the road from me

Donegal, most popular hair colours are dirty blonde, brown and black.

you arnt from Donegal you are from another planet. Of that I am sure!

[Barry big balz]

What part are you living? I see at least one everyday and I know a good few

edit: probably because the halting site is only down the road from me

Donegal, most popular hair colours are dirty blonde, brown and black.

you arnt from Donegal you are from another planet. Of that I am sure!

Im from bundoran co. donegal the las vegas of ireland.

[Deno1986]

Donegal, most popular hair colours are dirty blonde, brown and black.

you arnt from Donegal you are from another planet. Of that I am sure!

Im from bundoran co. donegal the las vegas of ireland.

the Tramore of Donegal would be a more fitting description ;;-)

[yiddo14]

I think he looks more like a Scotsman to be honest.

Gingers are all over...unfortunately!

[crusader]

This is one bad ass Mexican ginger I tell you what. I think he has a good chance of becoming an impressive world champion.

[Brit Ryan]

"His origins are from the Basque areas of Spain, which isn't surprising when you look at him because a lot of Irish people have ancestors from the same area."

Thats a myth

a. Sauls background beingfrom the Basque region isnt a myth - but as far as I know its only a rumour which one guy on eastside said which I assume is where BE got that in from.

b. the Basques are a Celtic people like those from Ireland and there is a large correlation in the DNA of both.

c. I think you mean that the myth bit is the "Black Irish" - i.e. people from the west of Ireland with black hair like my mothers side have ancestry from those ships that crashed and got washed up in Ireland with the Spanish Armada - now that is a myth because only a handful of them ever made it ashore and unless they were nailin 20 bhurds a day then it would have been impossible for them to make an impact like that.

now (c) really is a myth. The people of the West ate the remnants of the Spanish Armada and acquired slightly olive skinned/black haired children by shagging the Arab traders

[Neil Jones Jnr]

When I was in Mexico City in Feb, Alberto Reyes and Jose Suliman were raving about this guy

[slapbangwhallop]

"His origins are from the Basque areas of Spain, which isn't surprising when you look at him because a lot of Irish people have ancestors from the same area."

Thats a myth

a. Sauls background beingfrom the Basque region isnt a myth - but as far as I know its only a rumour which one guy on eastside said which I assume is where BE got that in from.

b. the Basques are a Celtic people like those from Ireland and there is a large correlation in the DNA of both.

c. I think you mean that the myth bit is the "Black Irish" - i.e. people from the west of Ireland with black hair like my mothers side have ancestry from those ships that crashed and got washed up in Ireland with the Spanish Armada - now that is a myth because only a handful of them ever made it ashore and unless they were nailin 20 bhurds a day then it would have been impossible for them to make an impact like that.

now (c) really is a myth. The people of the West ate the remnants of the Spanish Armada and acquired slightly olive skinned/black haired children by shagging the Arab traders

well thats the thing the 'Black Irish' have jet black hair but their skin aint olive and it as pale as most.

[slapbangwhallop]

Donegal, most popular hair colours are dirty blonde, brown and black.

you arnt from Donegal you are from another planet. Of that I am sure!

Im from bundoran co. donegal the las vegas of ireland.

well am from Sligo Town and one a few miles away. Bundoran is a shíthole and that fact probably explains main of your retarded opinion. You poor lad.

[BigEars]

"His origins are from the Basque areas of Spain, which isn't surprising when you look at him because a lot of Irish people have ancestors from the same area."

Thats a myth

a. Sauls background beingfrom the Basque region isnt a myth - but as far as I know its only a rumour which one guy on eastside said which I assume is where BE got that in from.

b. the Basques are a Celtic people like those from Ireland and there is a large correlation in the DNA of both.

c. I think you mean that the myth bit is the "Black Irish" - i.e. people from the west of Ireland with black hair like my mothers side have ancestry from those ships that crashed and got washed up in Ireland with the Spanish Armada - now that is a myth because only a handful of them ever made it ashore and unless they were nailin 20 bhurds a day then it would have been impossible for them to make an impact like that.

The guy who stated it on Eastside reminded me of others who had said it on Eastside quite some time ago previously(then again it could have been the same guy, and others backing him up).


So the question remains, is there any myths in what I've said or not ?

[Barry big balz]

you arnt from Donegal you are from another planet. Of that I am sure!

Im from bundoran co. donegal the las vegas of ireland.

well am from Sligo Town and one a few miles away. Bundoran is a shíthole and that fact probably explains main of your retarded opinion. You poor lad.

Get a life you auld saddo starting e-wars with everyone on net who doesnt agree with you. Bundoran is a national treasure

[slapbangwhallop]

Im from bundoran co. donegal the las vegas of ireland.

well am from Sligo Town and one a few miles away. Bundoran is a shíthole and that fact probably explains main of your retarded opinion. You poor lad.

Get a life you auld saddo starting e-wars with everyone on net who doesnt agree with you.

ssssh ya clown dont flatter yourself - "e-war" with a disposable panty liner like you You are universally recognised as the lamest and least knowledgeable Irish poster on every forum (well the ones that you havent been ran off that is )

[Barry big balz]

well am from Sligo Town and one a few miles away. Bundoran is a shíthole and that fact probably explains main of your retarded opinion. You poor lad.

Get a life you auld saddo starting e-wars with everyone on net who doesnt agree with you.

ssssh ya clown dont flatter yourself - "e-war" with a disposable panty liner like you You are universally recognised as the lamest and least knowledgeable Irish poster on every forum (well the ones that you havent been ran off that is )

Goodnight slapbang i will leave you with your delusions of grandeur.

[dookus]

Lots of shit in this thread.

The Basques are not a Celtic people - they're descendants of the original, Mesolithic inhabitants of Europe, pre-dating the later Indo-European populations from the Middle east who spread across Europe from 7000 - 4500BC. Their language is thus unrelated to any Indo-European language, which is the family that Irish belongs to.

Genetically, the Basques are most closely related to the people of Northern Wales, because of the genetic homogeneity of some of those communities ; in fact, the modern day inhabitants of all England, Ireland and Wales are closely related to the original Mesolithic ancestors, but have seen much more intermixing with later populations. The first of these, the Celts, arriving in the British Isles from Central Europe around 500BC, gave their languages and culture to all of the isles, replacing that of the earlier, nameless culture that had survived on the island since Mesolithic times. However, the arriving Celts did not replace the natives physically; they seem to have attained cultural and linguistic dominance rather than wiping out the inhabitants.

The term "Celtic" refers much more to a set of languages and cultures than a discernible ethnicity; at one point a great swathe of Europe, from Ireland and Galatia to what's now Western Turkey was "Celtic". Being ginger is no more Celtic than having dark hair; it's a mutation that occurred a long while back that coincidentally has a higher level of occurrence in places where Celtic cultures survived the longest.

[bennie]

There was a fighter in the 1980s, good enough to win the WBC light-welterweight title, who went by the nickname of "Irish" Leroy Haley.
He was as black as Newgate's knocker.

[gingerla818]

Ring Magazine did an article on him last June. He might be Irish. A little less than 1 percent of Mexico is Irish, but they are concentrated in the northern states and major cities like Monterrey, Mexico City, Veracruz, and Guadalajara. The immigrated in and around 1848 for the US labeled catholicism as the "Mexican Religion" to help propagate the Mexican American War. This made many Irish disenfranchised and thus they moved to Mexican Texas and California integrating into Mexican society.

His is not the first Irish-Mexican boxer, nor the first Irish-Mexican Ginger. The first Mexican boxing champion is Solomon Garcia Smith 1871. His father was Irish and his mother was Mexican- he fought of out L.A. Danny "Little Red" and Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez are not exactly Mexican, albeit the Spanish last name. They are actually Irish and Ute Indian, from Utah, but the Irish father abandoned the mother and she remarried a Mexican. Danny Lopez is the 26th greatest puncher of all time according to Ring Magazine.

Ring Magazine asserts that Saul's maternal ancestors may have hispnicized their last name from "Berrigan" to "Barragan". This was a common practice for the Irish in Mexico. Jon riley of the Mexican "Saint Patricks Battallion" died as Juan Riley. Additionally, the real life Zorro, changed his name from William Lamport to Guillen Lombarde. The 39th president of Mexico is named Alvaro Obregon, and his real last name was O'Brien.

When Arizona was part of Mexico is was governed by an Irishman by the name of Hugh O'Connor. He came from Spain, as did the real life Zorro.

And red hair is a not all the same genetically speaking. Africans with red hair are Albinos, Polynesians with red and blond hair too- is different from the Northern European MCR1 gene- which is linked to light skin and freckles. Rome cites the Picts as the Northern European Red Hair, MCR1 receptor gene carriers. Not the Celts.

[Bricks]

Lol yeah. Its weird I know a few pakistani "albinos" its basically 2 families in one town. They all have ginger hair and the men are dead ringers for Alvarez!

[GreenLightning]

Viva la San Patricios

[lefty]

Ring Magazine did an article on him last June. He might be Irish. A little less than 1 percent of Mexico is Irish, but they are concentrated in the northern states and major cities like Monterrey, Mexico City, Veracruz, and Guadalajara. The immigrated in and around 1848 for the US labeled catholicism as the "Mexican Religion" to help propagate the Mexican American War. This made many Irish disenfranchised and thus they moved to Mexican Texas and California integrating into Mexican society.

His is not the first Irish-Mexican boxer, nor the first Irish-Mexican Ginger. The first Mexican boxing champion is Solomon Garcia Smith 1871. His father was Irish and his mother was Mexican- he fought of out L.A. Danny "Little Red" and Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez are not exactly Mexican, albeit the Spanish last name. They are actually Irish and Ute Indian, from Utah, but the Irish father abandoned the mother and she remarried a Mexican. Danny Lopez is the 26th greatest puncher of all time according to Ring Magazine.

Ring Magazine asserts that Saul's maternal ancestors may have hispnicized their last name from "Berrigan" to "Barragan". This was a common practice for the Irish in Mexico. Jon riley of the Mexican "Saint Patricks Battallion" died as Juan Riley. Additionally, the real life Zorro, changed his name from William Lamport to Guillen Lombarde. The 39th president of Mexico is named Alvaro Obregon, and his real last name was O'Brien.

When Arizona was part of Mexico is was governed by an Irishman by the name of Hugh O'Connor. He came from Spain, as did the real life Zorro.

And red hair is a not all the same genetically speaking. Africans with red hair are Albinos, Polynesians with red and blond hair too- is different from the Northern European MCR1 gene- which is linked to light skin and freckles. Rome cites the Picts as the Northern European Red Hair, MCR1 receptor gene carriers. Not the Celts.

He isnt bloody irish though!!

[jameswilson]

on the Island of Corfu i believe it is legal to spit in the face of people with ginger hair.

my sister considered moving there for that reason.

Because she doesn't like Gingers? Or because she is ginger and gets aroused when spat on?

[forcefraser]

on the Island of Corfu i believe it is legal to spit in the face of people with ginger hair.

my sister considered moving there for that reason.

Because she doesn't like Gingers? Or because she is ginger and gets aroused when spat on?

In Corsica you are supposed to spit when you see a red head, but not in their face.

Baldness is a curse often bestowed upon the ginger. Most ginger`s are hard as nails, as they have spent most of their childhood being beaten to a pulp at school.

[moorser]

Alvarez was interviewed in boxing monthly and said he has an Irish grandparetn and would like to defend his title in Dublin in the future.

[danconnollyeire]

No... he really couldn't look any more Irish!

[Ikerne99]

Idk, it's very likely he has either Basque or Irish blood in him, there's a metric ton of Mexicans with European blood in them. Idk if he has Basque blood but he definitely looks Irish with the ginger mane an beard. Ginger hair isn't that common in Basques, we're usually pale white with light brown hair. Now, a lot of basques like myself with light brown hair grow red or even blonde facial hair for some reason which is always weird but maybe it's just a remnant of our Celtic heritage.

If you want to see how the average Basque pure blood looks like, loot at pictures of Xabi Alonso, he's the archetypical basque with a long basque genealogy.