What majority opinions annoy you the most?

[MEISINGER]

It annoys me that people say Vitali would lose to any half decent Heavyweight also. According to people on this site, Jimmy Young, Jerry Quarry and Ron Lyle would've owned him.

it goes along with al fighters of the past own the current crop

[Goodnight, Irene]

It annoys me that people say Vitali would lose to any half decent Heavyweight also. According to people on this site, Jimmy Young, Jerry Quarry and Ron Lyle would've owned him.

it goes along with al fighters of the past own the current crop

That goes in both directions.

There are large groups arguing Old Conquers All or Modern Nutrition Beats Old-Timers.

[Goldust]

While I don't think much of either Klitschko as much as I hate to admit it they would have been at least top ten heavyweights in any era. If you look at the Ring Magazine ratings from over the years you'll find that for the most part after you get past the top five boxers the bottom five of most years top ten ratings had some pretty mediocre fighters.

For example going back at ten year intervals:

1975: #7 Duane Bobick, #9 Chuck Wepner, #10 Randy Neumann

1965: #9 Hubert Hilton, #10 Brian London

1955: #4 John Holman, #7 Johnny Summerlin, #8 Bob Satterfield

1945: #5 Bruce Woodcock, #7 Freddie Schott

1935: #6 Eddie Mader, #7 Hank Hankinson

1925: #4 Jack Renault, #5 Bud Gorman

[yancey]

- Pre-exile Ali could dance for 15 rounds
- Coked up fat slobs of the 80's heavyweight scene were really supremely talented
- Frazier couldn't throw a right hand
- Louis had problems with movers

[Syntax Error]

I couldn't have put it better.

So you agree with Dempseyfire then?

I mis-read the post - that's pain killers for you.

Was Bowe 'scared' of Lewis? Feeling 'scared' is an emotion, so only Bowe will ever know that. But he agreed to fight Lewis and pulled out. Rock Newman no doubt had a say in that, but the buck stops with Bowe, it's his signature on the contracts and no one forced him to do anything. Bowe chose not to fight Lewis, that's why he vacated the WBC belt.

That's a fair assessment.

Whilst I don't believe that Bowe used to run to the toilet & spool up the Andrex at the mere sight of Lennox Lewis on the TV, I do believe that if he really wanted to fight Lewis, the fight would have happened.

It was the most natural anticipated battle of 1993 & should have happened.

I just can't understand why Bowe wouldn't want to gain revenge for his 1988 Olympic defeat at the hands of Lewis.

In hindsight, the irony is that Bowe probably had the tools to beat Lewis in 1993, as Lennox was still quite reckless & over reliant on his Right hand then, but we shall never know.

[keithmoonhangover]

So you agree with Dempseyfire then?

I mis-read the post - that's pain killers for you.

Was Bowe 'scared' of Lewis? Feeling 'scared' is an emotion, so only Bowe will ever know that. But he agreed to fight Lewis and pulled out. Rock Newman no doubt had a say in that, but the buck stops with Bowe, it's his signature on the contracts and no one forced him to do anything. Bowe chose not to fight Lewis, that's why he vacated the WBC belt.

That's a fair assessment.

Whilst I don't believe that Bowe used to run to the toilet & spool up the Andrex at the mere sight of Lennox Lewis on the TV, I do believe that if he really wanted to fight Lewis, the fight would have happened.

It was the most natural anticipated battle of 1993 & should have happened.

I just can't understand why Bowe wouldn't want to gain revenge for his 1988 Olympic defeat at the hands of Lewis.

In hindsight, the irony is that Bowe probably had the tools to beat Lewis in 1993, as Lennox was still quite reckless & over reliant on his Right hand then, but we shall never know.

I would still pick Lewis, but you're right, that would be Bowe's best chance.

[Goldust]

Bowe looked a lot better against Holyfield in 1993 than Lewis did vs. Bruno that same year and the following year vs. McCall. I suspect that had Bowe won the rematch with Holyfield we would have probably seen Bowe vs. Lewis at some point. I think that in 1993 it made more financial sense to fight Holyfield (a guy that he had just beaten) than it would have for fighting Lewis at that point in time. His management probably figured "Let's get a good payday for beating Holyfield again and then let the matchup vs. Lewis build up some steam and we'll make a lot more money over the long run." Not expecting of course that the only 24 year old Bowe's 1992 win over Holyfield would be the high point of his career and that he would routinely start coming in at 240lbs+ from then on.

[dempseyfire]

While I don't think much of either Klitschko as much as I hate to admit it they would have been at least top ten heavyweights in any era. If you look at the Ring Magazine ratings from over the years you'll find that for the most part after you get past the top five boxers the bottom five of most years top ten ratings had some pretty mediocre fighters.

For example going back at ten year intervals:

1975: #7 Duane Bobick, #9 Chuck Wepner, #10 Randy Neumann

1965: #9 Hubert Hilton, #10 Brian London

1955: #4 John Holman, #7 Johnny Summerlin, #8 Bob Satterfield

1945: #5 Bruce Woodcock, #7 Freddie Schott

1935: #6 Eddie Mader, #7 Hank Hankinson

1925: #4 Jack Renault, #5 Bud Gorman

Buddy, I would do more research before calling Jack Renault and Johnny Summerlin "mediorce fighters" . . . .

[dempseyfire]

Anyone who says Norton-Holmes was a very close fight was dead wrong. Also some people think that Holmes pulled out the last round of the fight to win the title, in reality he could have lost it 10-8.

Btw you would have to give Duran a great chance aganst any fighter in history at 147 or 135 had he stayed completely disciplined throughout his whole career, he was an incredible fighter.

Disagree about the last round of Norton Holmes. That was a tough round that could have went either way.

Norton to my eyes clearly won the last round. Holmes coming on in the last 20 seconds doesn't erase the first 2 min 40 seconds when he was getting clobbered.

[Sportofkings]

Anyone who says Norton-Holmes was a very close fight was dead wrong. Also some people think that Holmes pulled out the last round of the fight to win the title, in reality he could have lost it 10-8.

Btw you would have to give Duran a great chance aganst any fighter in history at 147 or 135 had he stayed completely disciplined throughout his whole career, he was an incredible fighter.

Disagree about the last round of Norton Holmes. That was a tough round that could have went either way.

Norton to my eyes clearly won the last round. Holmes coming on in the last 20 seconds doesn't erase the first 2 min 40 seconds when he was getting clobbered.

This is basically what I saw to, Holmes took a hiding for the majority of that round....

[Goldust]

While I don't think much of either Klitschko as much as I hate to admit it they would have been at least top ten heavyweights in any era. If you look at the Ring Magazine ratings from over the years you'll find that for the most part after you get past the top five boxers the bottom five of most years top ten ratings had some pretty mediocre fighters.

For example going back at ten year intervals:

1975: #7 Duane Bobick, #9 Chuck Wepner, #10 Randy Neumann

1965: #9 Hubert Hilton, #10 Brian London

1955: #4 John Holman, #7 Johnny Summerlin, #8 Bob Satterfield

1945: #5 Bruce Woodcock, #7 Freddie Schott

1935: #6 Eddie Mader, #7 Hank Hankinson

1925: #4 Jack Renault, #5 Bud Gorman

Buddy, I would do more research before calling Jack Renault and Johnny Summerlin "mediorce fighters" . . . .

While Renault and Summerlin were by no means stiffs, when you think about some of the better heavyweight contenders of the past their names aren't exactly the first that come to mind.

Thanks "buddy" for reminding me why I stopped bothering coming to forums like this one years ago...

[BoxBuzz]

after viewing Chavez Vs Whitaker again, the judges majority opinion that that fight was a draw, is enormously annoying....to this very day.

[m1kee50]

Are they mediocre then? Or are they 'by no means stiffs'?

Perhaps you stopped coming to forums because you don't like being questioned?

As for Benn vs G-man, was it not Jim Rosenthal that pretty much admitted to stopping Benn falling off the ring apron?

[keithmoonhangover]

Are they mediocre then? Or are they 'by no means stiffs'?

Perhaps you stopped coming to forums because you don't like being questioned?

As for Benn vs G-man, was it not Jim Rosenthal that pretty much admitted to stopping Benn falling off the ring apron?

No it was Gary Newbon. But he didn't help him.

[Bricks]

I'm talking about widespread stuff that you hear from people you respect. Baffling stuff for me and I'll give a few.

Thomas Hearns had a china chin. As most of you know he is my favorite fighter, but his main flaw was letting his balls get in the way of his brain.

Any slugger would destroy Ken Norton.

All you needed to beat Tyson was guts and a jab. Tyrell Biggs had both.

Tyson and Chavez's primes abruptly ended the second they lost a fight.

Jack Dempsey or Rocky Marciano could never handle a big Heavyweight and modern slobs are bigger than them because they train at KFC.

Aaron Pryor was ducked by Leonard and everyone ducked Mike McCallum. Duran 'ducked' Mike to fight Hagler & Hearns consecutively. That's like ducking shingles for cancer.

The most enraging one I see over and over again is Pernell Whitaker was some kind of runner that refused to engage and would be vulnerable to high volume in mythical fights with all-time greats. he tossed 60-80 punches a round in his prime and Pea is a double; he also was apparently feather fisted.

For once something worthwhile comes out of your mouth.

Hearns had a very decent chin the SRL 1st loss had as much to do with his legs being exhausted...the Hagler fight he took bomb after bomb...the Barkley shot was a hail mary one....due to overconfidence.
The McCallum whining over everyone ducking him and his not getting the superfights he deserved is such BS. He hadnt done anything at 160 to merit a fight with Hagler. By the time he had done something at 154, Duran and Heans were looking for bigger paydays with a harder foe...Hearns with Hagler, Duran with Hearns. Mccallum lost to Kalambay if he had won that fight he for sure would have got a superfight with 1 of Nunn ,Hearns or Duran.

Mccallum probably should have pulled in slightly more money than he did but he had big fights with Curry, 3 with Toney, and past his prime he had the LH title gig and the final payday with RJJnr.

[Ezzard]

I think McCallum was more deserving of a shot at Hagler than Leonard was.

He'd have got the shot only Marvin was fighting about once a year by that point.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I think McCallum was more deserving of a shot at Hagler than Leonard was.

He'd have got the shot only Marvin was fighting about once a year by that point.

How would you see McCallum faring?

[Ezzard]

I think he has a great chance against post-Mugabi Hagler. Hagler would be the favourite but not by much.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I think McCallum was more deserving of a shot at Hagler than Leonard was.

He'd have got the shot only Marvin was fighting about once a year by that point.

All Mike would have had to do is ask or move up in weight. He wasn't begging for a fight with Hagler, that myth came out twenty years later on the internet. Is it a coincidence that Mike moved up about an hour after Hagler lost his belts?

[Crease]

Jack Dempsey or Rocky Marciano could never handle a big Heavyweight and modern slobs are bigger than them because they train at KFC.

Yeah I'm right with you there on that. Everytime I hear this opinion, I just really can't take the guy seriously.