Oh dear. Holfield fighting again...

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 12 Sep 2005, 04:35

If Holyfield does become undisputed champion again (ha!) lets hope he can avoid Larry Donald so he can hang onto his belts for a while!

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 12 Sep 2005, 04:42

The more this whole heavyweight farce goes on, the more I think to myself, Lennox could come back, smah Bowe, Tua, Holyfield, a chryogenically frozen Tyson etc. to a pulp, be 20lb lighter than any of them even without training, and make about $200m within 18 months.

(And don't anyone start, I don't wish it for a moment, just speculating as to how shit heavyweights are at the moment.)

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 12 Sep 2005, 11:44

gustom wrote:Yes, he will. Just watch.

How?

Who will he beat to do so?

Holyfield is shot to pieces and even in this era of average fighters holding titles he in my opinion has absolutley NO CHANCE, of reliving past glories. He cant even beat former fringe contender Larry Donald these days.

jab · Post by **jab** » 14 Sep 2005, 19:28

gustom wrote:Holyfield is 42. He'll be 43 on October 19. NO ONE has any right to keep Evander from boxing. He is passing ALL medical tests. Evander will be undisputed heavyweight champion again.

To be undisputed again, Holyfield would need to defeat all main belt holders. That mean Holyfield would need to beat Vitali, Ruiz, Byrd and Brewster. He already lost against Ruiz and Byrd and he was younger and more fit back then. How would he beat these guys today? And how about Vitali??? The size difference would be the biggest Holyfield has ever faced and he is 43. The very big men Holyfield fought gave him a beating: Bowe and Lewis. And Vitali is bigger than them and Holyfield is way past his prime.
Also with 3 losses in a row, the last one against a weak opponent (Donald) shows Holyfield needs to consider retirement.

Can he still fight? Yes. Definitely. Can he get a major belt today? Doesnt seem likely. Perhaps he could get lucky against Brewster, but thats it.

And Golota would ko Holyfield if they fought now.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 14 Sep 2005, 20:11

jab wrote:
gustom wrote:Holyfield is 42. He'll be 43 on October 19. NO ONE has any right to keep Evander from boxing. He is passing ALL medical tests. Evander will be undisputed heavyweight champion again.
To be undisputed again, Holyfield would need to defeat all main belt holders. That mean Holyfield would need to beat Vitali, Ruiz, Byrd and Brewster. He already lost against Ruiz and Byrd and he was younger and more fit back then. How would he beat these guys today? And how about Vitali??? The size difference would be the biggest Holyfield has ever faced and he is 43. The very big men Holyfield fought gave him a beating: Bowe and Lewis. And Vitali is bigger than them and Holyfield is way past his prime.
Also with 3 losses in a row, the last one against a weak opponent (Donald) shows Holyfield needs to consider retirement.

Can he still fight? Yes. Definitely. Can he get a major belt today? Doesnt seem likely. Perhaps he could get lucky against Brewster, but thats it.

And Golota would ko Holyfield if they fought now.

Holifield can't fight anymore. His performance against Donald showed that. He's at the point where more or less anyone who can throw a punch has a chance to beat him.

jab · Post by **jab** » 15 Sep 2005, 14:04

Holyfield can still fight. Just not at the level he used to. OR at the level needed to beat the top belt holders. But make no mistake about it: the guys with a world ranking under the top 50 would get a beat down from the 43 year old Holyfield.

Butterbean can throw a punch. Do you really think Butterbean can beat Holyfield? I certainly do not.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 15 Sep 2005, 14:25

jab wrote:Holyfield can still fight. Just not at the level he used to. OR at the level needed to beat the top belt holders. But make no mistake about it: the guys with a world ranking under the top 50 would get a beat down from the 43 year old Holyfield.

Butterbean can throw a punch. Do you really think Butterbean can beat Holyfield? I certainly do not.

He probably could sadly.
Who wants to see Holifield fighting at such a level anyway?. The human body can only take so much punishment and Holifield has long reached his limit.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 15 Sep 2005, 15:47

With regards to upcoming Evander Holyfield fight in Italy I always thought that Italy had an age limit for professional Boxers? About 35?

Or does this only apply to Boxers holding an Italian Boxing license?

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 15 Sep 2005, 15:54

I'm backing big Frank Wood to do the business, anyone else think Holyfield will lose?

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 15 Sep 2005, 15:58

steve689 wrote:I'm backing big Frank Wood to do the business, anyone else think Holyfield will lose?

That would not shock me at all.

Then the fight we are all REALLY looking forward to can happen.

Kevin McBride vs Frank Wood

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 16 Sep 2005, 04:56

silkov wrote:
jab wrote:
gustom wrote:Holyfield is 42. He'll be 43 on October 19. NO ONE has any right to keep Evander from boxing. He is passing ALL medical tests. Evander will be undisputed heavyweight champion again.
To be undisputed again, Holyfield would need to defeat all main belt holders. That mean Holyfield would need to beat Vitali, Ruiz, Byrd and Brewster. He already lost against Ruiz and Byrd and he was younger and more fit back then. How would he beat these guys today? And how about Vitali??? The size difference would be the biggest Holyfield has ever faced and he is 43. The very big men Holyfield fought gave him a beating: Bowe and Lewis. And Vitali is bigger than them and Holyfield is way past his prime.
Also with 3 losses in a row, the last one against a weak opponent (Donald) shows Holyfield needs to consider retirement.

Can he still fight? Yes. Definitely. Can he get a major belt today? Doesnt seem likely. Perhaps he could get lucky against Brewster, but thats it.

And Golota would ko Holyfield if they fought now.

Holifield can't fight anymore. His performance against Donald showed that. He's at the point where more or less anyone who can throw a punch has a chance to beat him.

No, anyone who is approaching world class, not just anyone. There's still hordes of fighters Evander can beat.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 16 Sep 2005, 05:27

They live in the dark, mysterious hills of Prussia, venturing out only to attack the passing Roman legions.

jab · Post by **jab** » 16 Sep 2005, 13:03

DavidPayne wrote:They live in the dark, mysterious hills of Prussia, venturing out only to attack the passing Roman legions.

the Roman legions never reached Prussia. But I get your joke.

Anyway, Holyfield can still beat plenty of fighters. And this guy who is lined up now is only 6-1 so he is even smaller than the warrior. Should be no problem for Holyfield to ko him early. The only thing that is really in doubt is whats next? Retirement or some one sided beating at the hands of a top ranked fighter? If Evander wants to keep fighting and clobber bums he has earned that right. But I wouldnt want to see him slaughtered against a top guy.
His tenacity might yet land him a title shot. Just hope he doesnt get killed before hanging them up for good.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » 16 Sep 2005, 16:16

KOJOE90 wrote:
steve689 wrote:I'm backing big Frank Wood to do the business, anyone else think Holyfield will lose?
That would not shock me at all.

Then the fight we are all REALLY looking forward to can happen.

Kevin McBride vs Frank Wood

KEVIN McBRIDE vs FRANK WOODS
"DESTROYER OF LEGENDS"

Got a ring to it

Grilling Machine · Post by **Grilling Machine** » 16 Sep 2005, 16:48

Sure, Evander can mash tons of heavys, but he's left the top rankings for good.

The problem is that great active fighters inspire greatness. One reason for a lack of new HW talent maybe?