Hypothetical Match-Up Game

[Goodnight, Irene]

Great fight. Pacquiao stops Fenech in ten.

Bob Fitzsimmons vs Jack Dempsey (Fitzsimmons beat one Dempsey, could he beat the other?).

[Tomasino]

Great fight. Pacquiao stops Fenech in ten.

Bob Fitzsimmons vs Jack Dempsey (Fitzsimmons beat one Dempsey, could he beat the other?).

Bob knocks Dempsey out in the 12th round after smashing his face and body to pieces .


Bob Fitzsimmons vs Marvin Hagler

[HomicideHenry]

Hard fought battle with Hagler coming back to eek out a decision over the mighty Bob Fitzsimmons


Joe Louis (1938) vs Rocky Marciano (1955), 15 rounds

[Goodnight, Irene]

Louis makes a meatball pizza out of his face over ten rounds.

Prime Sonny Liston vs...

Lennox Lewis (1999)
Riddick Bowe (1992)
Evander Holyfield (1991)
Muhammad Ali (1974)

[BoxBuzz]

Louis beats the bejabbers out of Marciano and puts to bed the mythology that was built up around a very good, but not top tier smallish but rugged and determined Heavyweight. Joe is just too methodical, gets a sense of Rocky's power, (via a trip to the canvas) and using his state of the art strategery and superior skill, slices and dices the Rock to ribbons over the course of 15 rounds. The ref thinks about stopping it more than once, but the nearly pyrotechnic crimson splattering is too compelling and pleasing to the crowd for the ref to safely step in against the chants of "Rocky Rocky Rocky". Rocky makes a good fight of it, and like Carmen Bassilio seems to take the cuts, gross swelling, and bruises in stride. His face becomes barely recognizable. But in the end Rocky's excellent conditioning and dogged resilience is just no match for Joe's superior size, ring generalship, and one of kind sharpshooting skills.

[BoxBuzz]

Louis makes a meatball pizza out of his face over ten rounds.

Prime Sonny Liston vs...

Lennox Lewis (1999)
Riddick Bowe (1992)
Evander Holyfield (1991)
Muhammad Ali (1974)

Liston loses to all of them, because it is discovered just how easy it is to scare him by starting rumors that someone in the crowd is going to "get him" if he should make any attempt to win. They also each pull the "delay of fight" tactic on him which further confounds him.

[BoxBuzz]

Joe Mesi vs Rocky Marciano

Someone's O must go!

[Goodnight, Irene]

Joe Mesi vs Rocky Marciano

Someone's O must go!

Muhammad Ali beat Sonny Liston legitimately...to continue the current trend of irrelevant, paranoid Ali defense.

[HomicideHenry]

Tubbs knocks out Mitchell in five rounds


Gerrie Coetzee ('78-1979) vs Muhammad Ali ('78-1979)

[BoxBuzz]

Damn G.I. what's with all this "agreement" that you and I find ourselves in? We gotta get back to fuelin' the flames of discontent!

[AngryGoon38]

Tubbs knocks out Mitchell in five rounds


Gerrie Coetzee ('78-1979) vs Muhammad Ali ('78-1979)

Coetzee would win by UD. A sad looking fight ala Duran-Pazienza.


This one just dawned on me as an intriguing hypothetical.


Scott LaDoux(Norton fight) vs Tommy Morrison(Foreman fight)-12 Rounds for the vacant WBO title 8)

[BoxBuzz]

Joe Mesi vs Rocky Marciano

Someone's O must go!

How do you think it would go Buzz?

Pretty sure MarcianO is safe, But his opponent would need to change his name to Je Mesi.

[BoxBuzz]

Tubbs knocks out Mitchell in five rounds


Gerrie Coetzee ('78-1979) vs Muhammad Ali ('78-1979)

Coetzee would win by UD. A sad looking fight ala Duran-Pazienza.


This one just dawned on me as an intriguing hypothetical.


Scott LaDoux(Norton fight) vs Tommy Morrison(Foreman fight)-12 Rounds for the vacant WBO title 8)

Goon, I'm thinkin' Morrison gets a KO shot in during the Mid rounds after lookin' pretty sorry/below average for a while.

Antonio Cervantes vs Dulio Loi

[AngryGoon38]

Tubbs knocks out Mitchell in five rounds


Gerrie Coetzee ('78-1979) vs Muhammad Ali ('78-1979)

Coetzee would win by UD. A sad looking fight ala Duran-Pazienza.


This one just dawned on me as an intriguing hypothetical.


Scott LaDoux(Norton fight) vs Tommy Morrison(Foreman fight)-12 Rounds for the vacant WBO title 8)

Goon, I'm thinkin' Morrison gets a KO shot in during the Mid rounds after lookin' pretty sorry/below average for a while.

Antonio Cervantes vs Dulio Loi

Cervantes by late round TKO.

Got 2 i just gotta post...

"Andy Lee vs John Duddy" 10 Rounds ,plus... They're Conqouor "Julio Ceasar Chavez Jr" in a 12rd'er vs "Kelly Pavlik".

Bombs Away ! 8)

[m1kee50]

Lee vs Duddy...
I would take Lee by decision. Both men IMO are given a higher place than they deserve, but of the two, I think Lee would work harder, and win something like 6 rounds to 4. Lee UD over 10.

JCC jr vs Pavlik... Pavlik now I think would struggle against anyone top-tier, he's not got the mojo for it at present, but on his day, the time of and before the first Taylor fight, you'd see JCC jr get scraped off the canvas, IMO. Pavlik KO inside 8.



My go...

Kelly Pavlik (2007, first Taylor fight) vs Bernard Hopkins (2005, first Taylor fight)

I had Hopkins winning his fights against Taylor, but not by much. So I'm interested to know how the best and best motivated version of Pavlik gets on with what could be argued to be an out-of-form Hopkins.

I contemplated asking the question using Hopkins from the Dawson fight, but there's no way to place Pavlik in that.

[Flump]

Lee vs Duddy...
I would take Lee by decision. Both men IMO are given a higher place than they deserve, but of the two, I think Lee would work harder, and win something like 6 rounds to 4. Lee UD over 10.

JCC jr vs Pavlik... Pavlik now I think would struggle against anyone top-tier, he's not got the mojo for it at present, but on his day, the time of and before the first Taylor fight, you'd see JCC jr get scraped off the canvas, IMO. Pavlik KO inside 8.



My go...

Kelly Pavlik (2007, first Taylor fight) vs Bernard Hopkins (2005, first Taylor fight)

I had Hopkins winning his fights against Taylor, but not by much. So I'm interested to know how the best and best motivated version of Pavlik gets on with what could be argued to be an out-of-form Hopkins.

I contemplated asking the question using Hopkins from the Dawson fight, but there's no way to place Pavlik in that.

Same - Hopkins UD 12

Bad Bennie Briscoe (77, Valdes II) v Juan Domingo Roldan (1983, Fletcher)

10 Rounds, MSG.

[AngryGoon38]

Lee vs Duddy...
I would take Lee by decision. Both men IMO are given a higher place than they deserve, but of the two, I think Lee would work harder, and win something like 6 rounds to 4. Lee UD over 10.

JCC jr vs Pavlik... Pavlik now I think would struggle against anyone top-tier, he's not got the mojo for it at present, but on his day, the time of and before the first Taylor fight, you'd see JCC jr get scraped off the canvas, IMO. Pavlik KO inside 8.



My go...

Kelly Pavlik (2007, first Taylor fight) vs Bernard Hopkins (2005, first Taylor fight)

I had Hopkins winning his fights against Taylor, but not by much. So I'm interested to know how the best and best motivated version of Pavlik gets on with what could be argued to be an out-of-form Hopkins.

I contemplated asking the question using Hopkins from the Dawson fight, but there's no way to place Pavlik in that.

Same - Hopkins UD 12

Bad Bennie Briscoe (77, Valdes II) v Juan Domingo Roldan (1983, Fletcher)

10 Rounds, MSG.

Great Match ! This would be an absolute BarnBurner !

Roldan is the swarmer frontrunner while Briscoe is the Very Durable/Rugged ToughGuy,who imo has a bit more skill than Roldan,also likely better endurance. Roldan is more awkward than skilled. He Loves to bomb away and would be really going at it with his ultra aggression,pressing Briscoe early,bombing away,Staggers Briscoe in the 1st,and drops Briscoe in the 2nd round,Briscoe gets right up though,more embarrassed than hurt. I see Roldan winning the first 3 rounds. Briscoe wins the 4th,as well as the 5th and sixth. After that,Roldan picks it up,gets a temporary second wind,barely wins the 7th based on more landed power shots ,8th is even,Roldan starts holding quite a bit the last minute of that round,he's starting to wear down. Then Briscoe wins the last two rounds with Roldan holding on alot to avoid getting Ko'd,en route to a UD Victory. The Rugged ToughGuy Briscoe Prevails in a battle of attrition ! 8)

Julian Jackson vs Vinny Pazienza (154) 12 Rounds

[IRLangmaid25]

Lee vs Duddy...
I would take Lee by decision. Both men IMO are given a higher place than they deserve, but of the two, I think Lee would work harder, and win something like 6 rounds to 4. Lee UD over 10.

JCC jr vs Pavlik... Pavlik now I think would struggle against anyone top-tier, he's not got the mojo for it at present, but on his day, the time of and before the first Taylor fight, you'd see JCC jr get scraped off the canvas, IMO. Pavlik KO inside 8.

My go...

Kelly Pavlik (2007, first Taylor fight) vs Bernard Hopkins (2005, first Taylor fight)

I had Hopkins winning his fights against Taylor, but not by much. So I'm interested to know how the best and best motivated version of Pavlik gets on with what could be argued to be an out-of-form Hopkins.

I contemplated asking the question using Hopkins from the Dawson fight, but there's no way to place Pavlik in that.

Same - Hopkins UD 12

Bad Bennie Briscoe (77, Valdes II) v Juan Domingo Roldan (1983, Fletcher)

10 Rounds, MSG.

Great Match ! This would be an absolute BarnBurner !

Julian Jackson vs Vinny Pazienza (154) 12 Rounds

Jackson stops a game Pazienza in the later rounds.

Next up
Marcel Cerdan v Marvin Hagler.

[m1kee50]

Vinny Pazienza (Lightweight title reign) vs Adrien Broner (Current stage of his career, fighting at 135) - 12 Rounds

Next up
Marcel Cerdan v Marvin Hagler.

Bump!



And can people please do better than one tiny sentence for a response?

Agreed. I sometimes think that people who just fancy a go but dont really know the fighters just flip a coin on it. I dont know enough about Cerdan to comment, so Im going to wait for one I do know a bit about

[HomicideHenry]

Cerdan is truly a top 10 middleweight as is Hagler, though for the most part his career was in Europe against relatively unheard of opponents. Had he made the leap to fight American fighters sooner, Cerdan most certainly would have been higher on the list than he is today. I happen to think (prior to him blowing out his shoulder against LaMotta), that Cerdan was capable of going the limit with most anybody in middleweight history. Hagler was just so strong and rallied back in the later rounds; but Cerdan was a mover, he boxed rings around his opponents; Hagler would have to constantly reset himself. It be a tough fight all the way around, but I see Hagler winning a 15 round split decision.

Umm... how about, Ken Norton vs Dynamite Dokes

[Flump]

Cerdan is truly a top 10 middleweight as is Hagler, though for the most part his career was in Europe against relatively unheard of opponents. Had he made the leap to fight American fighters sooner, Cerdan most certainly would have been higher on the list than he is today. I happen to think (prior to him blowing out his shoulder against LaMotta), that Cerdan was capable of going the limit with most anybody in middleweight history. Hagler was just so strong and rallied back in the later rounds; but Cerdan was a mover, he boxed rings around his opponents; Hagler would have to constantly reset himself. It be a tough fight all the way around, but I see Hagler winning a 15 round split decision.

Umm... how about, Ken Norton vs Dynamite Dokes

Good fight, I can see Dokes handspeed and movement causing Norton problems for 5 or 6 rounds, but Dokes doesn't hit hard enough to back Norton up, therefore I see Norton wearing Dokes down for a stoppage in 10 to 11 rounds in a gruelling fight

How about Jersey Joe Walcott vs Ringo Bonavena, 12 Rounds, Polo Grounds.

[AngryGoon38]

Walcott by Check hook Tko in round 11,ala Mayweather-Hatton. Good battle of attrition before the end result ala Mayweather-Hatton. 5-4-1 Walcott after 10, Then at 2:33,Joe finds the range,closes the gap and hammers home staggering combos,Ringo staggers against the ropes and then goes for a haymaker of his own,Joe ducks under and delivers a check hook to finish the job,Ringo gets up by 8 gamely but with a stagger and ref has seen enough and promptly waves it off. 11th rd tko at 2:58.

Carmen Basilio vs Floyd Mayweather Jr (15 Rounds)

[IRLangmaid25]

Walcott by Check hook Tko in round 11,ala Mayweather-Hatton. Good battle of attrition before the end result ala Mayweather-Hatton. 5-4-1 Walcott after 10, Then at 2:33,Joe finds the range,closes the gap and hammers home staggering combos,Ringo staggers against the ropes and then goes for a haymaker of his own,Joe ducks under and delivers a check hook to finish the job,Ringo gets up by 8 gamely but with a stagger and ref has seen enough and promptly waves it off. 11th rd tko at 2:58.

Carmen Basilio vs Floyd Mayweather Jr (15 Rounds)

Tough fight to call. Basillio's relentless pressure will give Mayweather a few problems, but I do feel that Mayweather's superior speed and accurate punching will mark up and eventually stop a brave Basilio in the later rounds.

Next up
Mayweather v Pernell Whittaker 12 rounds Welterweight.

[AngryGoon38]

I'll base my hypo reply with a 1990 version of Freddie,fresh off the 12 rd decision loss to Whittaker. I think likely Pendalton by decision. Rallies in the last few rounds to closely pull it off. Matthysse,the frontrunner scores kd's in rounds 1 and 2,a real rock em sock em brawl for the first 4 rounds. Pendalton catches Lucas pretty good at the end of the 4th,Then in the 5th, both turn more to boxing mixed with some spots of brawling. Pendalton proves too resiliant and adaptable,grows stronger as bout carries on and figures out Matthyse enough to squeek out the win in the 10 rd'er,if a 12 rd'er then Pendalton by fairly wide decision.



Vinnie Maddalone vs Jimmy Thunder 10 rd's (Rock em sock em journeyman brawl/slugfest) 8)



I know theyr'es an unwritten rule as of late about posting more than 1 at a time but this one i've been giving some considerable thought to as of late...



Duran(Barkley fight) vs William Joppy(Duran fight) 12 rd's :geek2:

[AngryGoon38]

I would pick Thundar to win by UD,scores 2 kd's along the way. 6-2-2 type decision.

I would pick The February 89 version of Duran to win by SD over The 1998 version of "William Joppy" that beat up the 47 year old version of Duran.

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Gabriel Bracero vs Dimitryu Salita- 10 Rounds

Bracero fairly recently lost a 10 round decision to a Tough Wiley veteran "DeMarcus Corley",but came back to win a decision over a fairly formidable opposition in "Jermaine White". How does he fare with Salita ? Both are basically pretty good B level club fighter types,Bracero slighly more of a boxer stylist.