Should Amir Khan retire?

[fatcity69]

Well it comes across as Carl putting the boot in rather than being sympathetic or constructive. I know they do not particularly like eachother but Amir at least wished Carl well before the Bute fight, I just think Carl let himself down a bit and made himself seem a little spiteful.

[Eddy]

I think Froch is just given his honest opinion here on what he'd do if it were him in that boat IMO. Either that or he don't like him very much. If I remember, a few years back when Carl was beaten, I think Khan said that he (CF) should've retired. Maybe he's still a bit angry over that comment? Who knows. :!:

[liamlion]

I think Froch is just given his honest opinion here on what he'd do if it were him in that boat IMO. Either that or he don't like him very much. If I remember, a few years back when Carl was beaten, I think Khan said that he (CF) should've retired. Maybe he's still a bit angry over that comment? Who knows. :!:

If thats correct, then you may well have a point.

I know from speaking at length with Rob McCracken a few years ago, that when Froch hears criticism in the media from people within the game, he takes it very personally and doesnt forget easily.

[SteveDow]

Retirement seems too drastic but what is absolutely necessary is for a complete review of Khan's style of fighting and defence.

This leaping in style he has leaves him wide opento be countered and he obviously doesn't havethe chin to take the punches from any kind of decent level operator. He needs to focus primarily on his defence which is utterly abysmal. Keep his hands up rather than trying to be a smart arse who thinks he's so quick that no-one can catch him. In addition to the above and perhaps more worrying is his utter self-delusion. Even today he is claiming that Garcia just caught him with one shot and it was a mistake which led to his defeat. In that comment he sounds exactly like Enzo sounded after the Haye fight, refusing to acknowledge his own fundamental flaws and instead tryingto justify the loss by putting it down to a lapse in concentration rather than the fact that he has serious improvements to make in a number of areas. Until he can be honest with himself he will never correct any ofthese areas which require improvement asin his own mind he won't see what is going wrong.

Another thing which doesn't help Khan is the involvement of his family and close friends in his training camps. He needs to ditch the whole "Team Khan/Khan Army" bullshit. He has way too many hanger-on and yes men. He needs someone to be utterly honest with him and point out his flaws and suggest ways to improve them rather than kissing his arse and blaming everything but Khan's own shortcomings for his failures.

[HomicideHenry]

Two losses doesn't constitute retirement. Look at the records of LaMotta and others, many losses on their records, because they fought the best of the best again and again. You cant fault Kahn for fighting the best opposition out there and losing. Now, if he lost to a bum thats a different story.

[Cas]

Retirement seems too drastic but what is absolutely necessary is for a complete review of Khan's style of fighting and defence.

This leaping in style he has leaves him wide opento be countered and he obviously doesn't havethe chin to take the punches from any kind of decent level operator. He needs to focus primarily on his defence which is utterly abysmal. Keep his hands up rather than trying to be a smart arse who thinks he's so quick that no-one can catch him. In addition to the above and perhaps more worrying is his utter self-delusion. Even today he is claiming that Garcia just caught him with one shot and it was a mistake which led to his defeat. In that comment he sounds exactly like Enzo sounded after the Haye fight, refusing to acknowledge his own fundamental flaws and instead tryingto justify the loss by putting it down to a lapse in concentration rather than the fact that he has serious improvements to make in a number of areas. Until he can be honest with himself he will never correct any ofthese areas which require improvement asin his own mind he won't see what is going wrong.

Another thing which doesn't help Khan is the involvement of his family and close friends in his training camps. He needs to ditch the whole "Team Khan/Khan Army" bullshit. He has way too many hanger-on and yes men. He needs someone to be utterly honest with him and point out his flaws and suggest ways to improve them rather than kissing his arse and blaming everything but Khan's own shortcomings for his failures.

I'm with you on this mate. Khan needs to realize these mistakes are major flaws in his boxing game. If he doesn't actually learn from them or someone doesn't interpret them for Khan, this could end quite badly again. The people around him aren't helping at all. They are drumming things into his head which is obviously having an effect on him.

I mean seriously. Khan has the talent, but he is so self invested in himself he doesn't understand why he's losing in such fashion. These shots are not lucky punches at all. He's being caught out at the top level due to holes in his Boxing defense.

It's actually frightening Khan is failing to pin-point why this is happening. I can't stress enough about his boxing defense. He is wading in on his shots and coming in with his chin hanging out. No wonder punchers are having a field day with him. Especially guys that can punch like Garcia.

I hope reality has struck Khan to realize he needs to fix up in order to make it back to the top. The talent is there, but his brain isn't at the moment. He doesn't think enough in the ring and its costing him dearly. He needs to start out smarting fighters and maximizing his talents.

Having said all that.. Khan is perhaps to naive to change. Someone needs to be straight up with him and tell him how it is. He needs a strict trainer and someone who is going to drum it into him. And get rid of the 'yes' men.

Is Khan really going to change all these things though? I Doubt it.

[WildWaylon]

Two losses doesn't constitute retirement. Look at the records of LaMotta and others, many losses on their records, because they fought the best of the best again and again. You cant fault Kahn for fighting the best opposition out there and losing. Now, if he lost to a bum thats a different story.

He did lose to a bum, Bredis Prescott. Prescotts record at the time only looked good on paper. Most of his wins came against fighters who had never won a fight. Pescott was heavy handed and that was his biggest asset.

[WildWaylon]

Retirement seems too drastic but what is absolutely necessary is for a complete review of Khan's style of fighting and defence.

This leaping in style he has leaves him wide opento be countered and he obviously doesn't havethe chin to take the punches from any kind of decent level operator. He needs to focus primarily on his defence which is utterly abysmal. Keep his hands up rather than trying to be a smart arse who thinks he's so quick that no-one can catch him. In addition to the above and perhaps more worrying is his utter self-delusion. Even today he is claiming that Garcia just caught him with one shot and it was a mistake which led to his defeat. In that comment he sounds exactly like Enzo sounded after the Haye fight, refusing to acknowledge his own fundamental flaws and instead tryingto justify the loss by putting it down to a lapse in concentration rather than the fact that he has serious improvements to make in a number of areas. Until he can be honest with himself he will never correct any ofthese areas which require improvement asin his own mind he won't see what is going wrong.

Another thing which doesn't help Khan is the involvement of his family and close friends in his training camps. He needs to ditch the whole "Team Khan/Khan Army" bullshit. He has way too many hanger-on and yes men. He needs someone to be utterly honest with him and point out his flaws and suggest ways to improve them rather than kissing his arse and blaming everything but Khan's own shortcomings for his failures.

I have to agree, but I cant see him changing his ways.

[WildWaylon]

I think Froch was just saying what he would do in Khans circumstances. We all have the right to an opinion and that is the way he sees it.

[Tanzio]

If Khan has his money invested properly and / or has a decent, moneymaking business or two, he should retire. He has taken waaaay too much punishment for his age. This will not end well for him if he continues to take the damage he has suffered against the likes of Maidana, Peterson and Garcia, all of whom are quality but not elite fighters.

I doubt that he will retire though. He is just too competitive.

[Grilling Machine]

Khan's very brave when hurt, but prior to that he's scared of being hit. He makes more mistakes under fire than any other elite boxer I can name.

He can spar all day with a trainer yelling at him to not back up in a straight line - and he won't, in a controlled environment - but fear mangles our brains and it all goes out the window. Khan's great curse is the fact he is so gifted; he grew up never having to brawl because he was too good for it, and unfortunately that means he'll never be comfortable with the stress it brings.

Less gifted fighters are more used to slugging, gain confidence in doing so, and then attempt to refine their other skills.

[banjo]

No. I love fighters who have that unpredictability about them, the whole - he can win but can also get sparked right out - is exciting.

[revporl]

Isn't it a case of him having found his level, in the same way as Hatton did, albeit it npt at the same level? Murray has Federer but doesn't risk being hurt should he lose to him time and time again, whereas Khan can settle for defending say, a European title until the cows come home, or risk being sparked every time he tries to move up. He's a personable bloke, and a bit of ego aside, comes across v well and could have a good career in the media. 25 is a bit young to consider retirement though.

[smoggy7188]

Seems Froch is pissed off with the bbc for the way they are reporting what he said. after reading the whole interview i can see why.

[safeerah]

I am certain he won't retire, he is very marketable so another world title shot won't be far away, plus he has no quit in him, a fight at 147 for the world title against Malinaggi would be a great move, after all he has beat him before and Malinaggi is very keen on getting revenge, New York would do the job, would sell out. Amir will be a handful with his speed and Malinaggi is not a big puncher.

[fatcity69]

I think Khan is looking at a rematch with Garcia in London, which makes sense in some ways but is also a riskier option than moving up and fighting Paulie. It also makes you wonder whether Amir has really taken on board the lessons from Saturdays fight or has been lulled into thinking it was just a lucky punch. I belive in boxing there is no such thing as a lucky punch and unless Amir realisez this then he is likely to end up the same way as saturday in a rematch with Garcia.

[forcefraser]

The well promoted boxers can make serious coin these days and I don`t doubt that Khan has done very well for himself so far financially speaking.

However, why should he retire? He is 25 and has three losses on his record (one of these a fairly debatable points decision).

Check out Ray Robinson`s record, check out Wladimir Klitschko`s record, check out Johnny Nelson`s record, Steve Robinson, Bomber Graham etc etc

Khan was betaen soundly, but he was stopped on his feet. It`s not like he was sparked out Hatton style.

People need to get a reality check here. The guy is a boxer, a good one at that and he needs to make a living for himself.

He needs to make some changes to his defense, maybe get himself a new trainer, but retire? Why?

[safeerah]

I think Khan is looking at a rematch with Garcia in London, which makes sense in some ways but is also a riskier option than moving up and fighting Paulie. It also makes you wonder whether Amir has really taken on board the lessons from Saturdays fight or has been lulled into thinking it was just a lucky punch. I belive in boxing there is no such thing as a lucky punch and unless Amir realisez this then he is likely to end up the same way as saturday in a rematch with Garcia.

Either fight would be a good move, though as you said, Garcia has more risk attached to it, plus we don't know how good Garcia could become, after all he is only 24, improving, unbeaten and seems to be hitting harder has he gets older, for me Malinaggi is a better bet, plus it will keep him in the spotlight in the states, enable him to win a world title at 147 and gatecrash the party.

[fatcity69]

I think Khan is looking at a rematch with Garcia in London, which makes sense in some ways but is also a riskier option than moving up and fighting Paulie. It also makes you wonder whether Amir has really taken on board the lessons from Saturdays fight or has been lulled into thinking it was just a lucky punch. I belive in boxing there is no such thing as a lucky punch and unless Amir realisez this then he is likely to end up the same way as saturday in a rematch with Garcia.

Either fight would be a good move, though as you said, Garcia has more risk attached to it, plus we don't know how good Garcia could become, after all he is only 24, improving, unbeaten and seems to be hitting harder has he gets older, for me Malinaggi is a better bet, plus it will keep him in the spotlight in the states, enable him to win a world title at 147 and gatecrash the party.

I agree that a Malinaggi fight at 147 would be a better bet, then that could open the way for a fight with Brook and a later rematch with Garcia, but it seems that Khan is looking for an instant rematch perhaps with a view of making saturdays result look like a fluke and even maybe saving a shot at Mayweather. A high risk stragedy as back to back defeats to Garcia would probably finish Amirs career at the top flight.

[safeerah]

I think Khan is looking at a rematch with Garcia in London, which makes sense in some ways but is also a riskier option than moving up and fighting Paulie. It also makes you wonder whether Amir has really taken on board the lessons from Saturdays fight or has been lulled into thinking it was just a lucky punch. I belive in boxing there is no such thing as a lucky punch and unless Amir realisez this then he is likely to end up the same way as saturday in a rematch with Garcia.

Either fight would be a good move, though as you said, Garcia has more risk attached to it, plus we don't know how good Garcia could become, after all he is only 24, improving, unbeaten and seems to be hitting harder has he gets older, for me Malinaggi is a better bet, plus it will keep him in the spotlight in the states, enable him to win a world title at 147 and gatecrash the party.

I agree that a Malinaggi fight at 147 would be a better bet, then that could open the way for a fight with Brook and a later rematch with Garcia, but it seems that Khan is looking for an instant rematch perhaps with a view of making saturdays result look like a fluke and even maybe saving a shot at Mayweather. A high risk stragedy as back to back defeats to Garcia would probably finish Amirs career at the top flight.

Agree

[jimcook]

khan will not retire...there are too many mugs out there to milk money from. khan has has plenty of easy fights, where he learned nothing more than that the sun shines out of his arse. could we not look about and find the weakest possible opponent ( malignaggi...already beat him easily, and he cant punch, and is getting old) then somehow convince the boxing fans that a world title is at stake and that our amir is the best in the world. khan has gone as far as he could go. he has been kod legitimately 3 times from 3 decent opponents . hes not been near the best in the world in any of the divisions hes boxed in , and if he did he would get beat. hes not smart enough or tough enough to be a genuine world class boxer.
i think froch was within his rights to stick the boot in, as he had to listen to shite coming from khan, knowing full well that khan is only world class in the eyes of himself and his family.

[stujones]

khan will not retire...there are too many mugs out there to milk money from. khan has has plenty of easy fights, where he learned nothing more than that the sun shines out of his arse. could we not look about and find the weakest possible opponent ( malignaggi...already beat him easily, and he cant punch, and is getting old) then somehow convince the boxing fans that a world title is at stake and that our amir is the best in the world. khan has gone as far as he could go. he has been kod legitimately 3 times from 3 decent opponents . hes not been near the best in the world in any of the divisions hes boxed in , and if he did he would get beat. hes not smart enough or tough enough to be a genuine world class boxer.i think froch was within his rights to stick the boot in, as he had to listen to shite coming from khan, knowing full well that khan is only world class in the eyes of himself and his family.

Twice, his loss against Peterson was a points loss.

I very much disagree with the other part I have bolded.... how can anyone question Khan's guts and toughness.

Perhaps its blind faith I don't know, but I would still think Khan is capable of avenging all 3 of his losses. However, I don't think anyone of the fighters he has lost two would beat Bradley (or even give Bradley much of a close fight).

[jimcook]

i was referring to his slow count against willie limond

[Wrists]

I actually think he should retire and I'm a massive fan.

He clearly for whatever reason cannot hold a shot at world level from more than average punchers.

The change in style it would need to rectify this would render him boring ala the Kotelnik fight and as such he would be in a no win situation.

At some point he will be hit hard and hurt again at this level and for a 25 year old young man I think he's already taken more than enough punishment.

If I were him I would count my money and move on for the sake of my long term health.

[Rob nelson]

Dont think khan should retire yet a's there still plenty of time on his side.top fighters come back better from defeats.I think he should move up to 147lb a's he maybe weight drained at 140.the obvous fight next would be malanagi a's malanagi a non puncher then maybe kell brook.