My top 100 fighters of all time

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 17 Sep 2005, 15:50

1. sugar ray robinson
2. Henry Armtstrong
3. joe louis
4. Sam Langford
5. muhammad ali
6. harry greb
7. Ezzard Charles
8. willie pep
9. roberto duran
10. Joe Gans
11. Sugar Ray Leonard
12. sandy saddler
13. Joe Walcott "barbadoes"
14. Archie Moore
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Benny Leonard
17. Barney Ross
18. Rocky Marciano
19. Bob fitzimmons
20. Julio Cesar Chavez
21. Mickey Walker
22. Jack Dempsey
23. Marvin Hagler
24. Salvado Sanchez
25. Roy Jones jr
26. Alexis Arguello
27. Jack Johnson
28. Carlos Monzon
29. Micheal Spinks
30. Larry Holmes
31. Pernell Whitaker
32. Terry Mcgovern
32. Gene Tunney
34. Wilfredo Gomez
35. Emile Griffith
36. Billy Conn
37. Lou Ambers
38. Kid Gavilan
39. Joe Frazier
40. Ed Jofre - the guy lost in his prime to harada twice and never beat a HOf, that is why i cant put him in my top 20 for those who are interested
41. Ruben Oliveres
42. Tony Canzoneri
43. Ike Williams
44. Jimmy Mclarnin
45. Stanley Ketchel
46. Bob Foster
47. Tommy Hearns
48. Floyd Mayweather jr **- still active
49. Evander Holyfield - only because he was the best cruiserweight of all time, cruiserweight counts
50. Carmen Basilio
51. Jose Napoles
52. Charley Burley
53. Tiger Flowers
54. Bernard Hopkins
55. George Foreman
56. Aaron Pryor
57. Jack Britton
58. Abe Atell
59. Tommy Loughran
60. Khasaoi Galaxy
61. Ricardo Lopez
62. Freddie Miller
63. Carlos Ortiz
64. Azumah Nelson
65. Dick Tiger
66. Carlos Zarate
67. Ted Kid Lewis
68. Mike Tyson
69. Fighting Harada
70. Sonny liston
71. Philadelphia Jack O brien
72 James Toney
73 Eusubio Pedroza
74 Mike Mccallum
75 Jersey Joe Walcott
76 Panama Al Brown
77 Marco Antonio barrera
78 eric morales
79 Gene Fullmer
80 Jake La Motta
81 Oscar De La hoya
82 Pancho villa
83 Kid Chocalate
84 Joe "old bones" Brown
85 Felix Trinidad
86 Sammy Serrano
87 Marcel Cerdan
88 Jeff Fenech
89 Lennox Lewis
90 Wilfredo Benitez
91 Vicente Saldivar
92 James Jeffries
93 Manuel Ortiz
94 Nino Benvenuti
95 Bob Montegmory
96 Beau Jack
97 Humberto Gonzalez
98 Flash Elorde
99 Kosta Tyzu
100 Harold Johnson

this list took me 3 hours to do, so i thought it over very hard. so take that into consideration before u bash some of my picks.

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 17 Sep 2005, 17:10

Like all lists it's arguable, but still it's a very good list. It's extremely difficult to make a good list because of all the great boxers there are. Usually for these lists, i'd only use retired boxers not active boxers, but it's still a good list. I can tell you thought things through, or you already had your mind made. It's a good list. Not completely accurate but then we don't know what's exact when it comes to these. I'd move a few fighters around, bring some in, take some away, but overall it's good.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 17 Sep 2005, 17:25

vagabundo,

tell me some of ur picks that u totally disagree with

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 17 Sep 2005, 17:40

its a good list brockton... i give u credit as that must have been very frustrating fitting in those pieces... i do have 1 question...

82 Pancho villa

wasnt he a mexican warlord?

remrulzz · Post by **remrulzz** » 17 Sep 2005, 20:25

you put archie moore and joe louis ahead of rocky marciano.rocky crush those two easy

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 17 Sep 2005, 21:01

first of all its p4p... archie moore was able to move throughtout divisions and still be great..rocky was great too but joe louis at his prime would beat rocky..

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 17 Sep 2005, 21:02

In my estimation, the most glaring ommissions, in order are 1.Les Darcy 2.Kid McCoy 3.Packy McFarland 4.Freddie Welsh 5.Tommy Ryan.

theone · Post by **theone** » 18 Sep 2005, 01:58

Not a bad list..all these fighters were great even if you dont agree with the order you have to respect the argument. Thats said I have no idea why Mayweather is ranked so high. Over Foreman, Hopskins and Pryor?
I dont think Mayweather has matched what Trinidad has done in his career yet.
And Sammy Serrano over all those hall of famers? Why?

Oh yeah, Ali too low, should be #1.

dalek · Post by **dalek** » 18 Sep 2005, 02:25

yeah its a good list.i would have driscoll and pascual perez in though.

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 18 Sep 2005, 04:18

theone wrote:Oh yeah, Ali too low, should be #1.

!!!

dnahar32 · Post by **dnahar32** » 18 Sep 2005, 07:02

BB, Good list. It's hard to argue without taking the time you did to make your list. That said, you did a better job at balancing the lower weight fighters this time than in some of your previous lists.

A few points:

1) You rated Duran #9 overall and Gans #10 overall. I'm curious who you consider the better lightweight.

2) Also, I know we can base some of the older fighters only on newspaper reports, but do you really think a 5-1 1/2 welterweight like Barbados Joe Walcott could beat a lot of the welterweights you rank behind him? Could he beat Tommy Hearns? Jose Napoles? Barney Ross?

3) Samuel Serrano? I think WBC champ Alfredo Escalera was much better and a contemporary champion during part of Serrano's WBA reign. Escalera gave Arguello hell in two fights. Serrano didn't fight good competition and doesn't have any signature wins over great opponents which a Top 100 fighter should have. I think of Serrano as a Orlando Canizales type champion with a lot of defenses against below average competition. Even Virgil Hill unified against a Henry Maske.

4) I have a problem with rating Harada at #69. You rated Jofre at #40. I think Harada should be in the Top 20. He is also much better than Galaxy and fought much better opposition as well.

I had originally jumped on the Jofre bandwagon (maybe you were referring to me when you mentioned that note on your list since I couldn't defend my Jofre pick LOL), but having gotten Harada tapes I think Harada was superior. Harada came one hometown decision away from being a three division champion (fly, bantam, and feather). These are 3 of the original 8 divisions, not the manufactured junior divisions. He never ducked anymore, and was a champion from 1962-1968. When he lost a non-title fight to a Top contender in Joe Medel, he gave him a rematch for the title instead of ducking him. He beat Jofre twice as you mentioned, and he also beat a good flyweight champ in Kingpetch. He also knocked down Johnny Famechon 3 times in a featherweight title fight where even the hometown fans booed the decision and cheered Harada.

To give you an idea of how Harada fights, think nonstop punching and stamina. Harada was real short at 5-3 and crouched so he was an even harder target to hit clean. He had a small reach so he didn't bother with the jab much and winged hooks and crosses constantly until they landed. He was relatively easy to hit but he was so low to the ground that his body took the full effect of the punches without altering his balance or aggression. He was always going forward and fought a full 3 minutes of virtually every round. A buzzsaw in the ring.

britpack · Post by **britpack** » 18 Sep 2005, 23:34

ali at 5? wilde at 15? mayweather at 48!

you need a slap! mayweather has avoided a real test in the past 3 years. he beat a green corrales and at this point is unproven talent. yet he makes your top 50. you must be a spaz. there are some other retarded suggestions in your list but never mind. like lummox lewis. i think your list is the biggest joke i have ever seen in my life

britpack · Post by **britpack** » 18 Sep 2005, 23:35

trinidad and dela hoya avoided tszyu (check the record book to see how they craftily went through the 140 division without many fights) but they are rated higher than him. you must be from the circus

britpack · Post by **britpack** » 18 Sep 2005, 23:39

ricardo lopez top 100 p4p! this is outrageous. you must be going by his paper record. he was a paper champion and at minimumweight they fight clowns. he defended his title against mainly noobs and people who laced on asome gloves a year before the fight. one of hid defences were against a guy who was 4-0 at the time. he also has questionable draws and decisions against alvarez who he didnt want to fight again. he didnt clear out the light flywieghts where the real competition is. how can you take a guy seriously in a division full of noobs! you must be retarded. go home and do your boxing homework you clown. lopez is shit and he took advantage of a shit division. take him of your list NOW! he isn't even top 200 p4p. but then again you never bothered to examine his opposition now did you.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 18 Sep 2005, 23:44

well thats ur opinion britpack, but judging ur recent posts, i think everyone knows ur the real jk here. u think hamed would beat salvador sanchez i have said enough.

floyd mayweather has dominated every weight class hes entered.he was perhaps the greatest super feather of all time, destroying great fighters like corrales, hernandez, both future HOF, and then beating top trough contenders jesus chavez, angel manfredy,justin jukko, carlos alberto hernandez.
then he went up to lightweight and took out jose luis castillo twice when having terrible brittle hands. every time mayweather threw a punch he had huge amounts of pain to the point of wanting to cry. yet he still beat jose luis castillo twice. then after dominating lightweight class, mayweather moved up to junir welter and now is dominating that weight class. HE HAS NEVER BEEN REALLY CLOSE TO BEING BEATEN besides castillo I when suffering from terrible hand injuries .

as for ali??? whats the problem with 5???

whats the problem with wilde at 15?????

i can see you dont know much about boxing so i wont harp on u, ill let the others do that. im pretty sure u would put hamed in the top 10 greatest fighters

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 18 Sep 2005, 23:53

ali might have been the greatest heavyweight ever but that does not necessarily make him the greatest fighter IMO.. if someone were to rank him #1 its not to say i would have a problem with it, but top 5 is definate IMO

britpack · Post by **britpack** » 18 Sep 2005, 23:57

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:well thats ur opinion britpack, but judging ur recent posts, i think everyone knows ur the real jk here. u think hamed would beat salvador sanchez i have said enough.

floyd mayweather has dominated every weight class hes entered.he was perhaps the greatest super feather of all time, destroying great fighters like corrales, hernandez, both future HOF, and then beating top trough contenders jesus chavez, angel manfredy,justin jukko, carlos alberto hernandez.
then he went up to lightweight and took out jose luis castillo twice when having terrible brittle hands. every time mayweather threw a punch he had huge amounts of pain to the point of wanting to cry. yet he still beat jose luis castillo twice. then after dominating lightweight class, mayweather moved up to junir welter and now is dominating that weight class. HE HAS NEVER BEEN REALLY CLOSE TO BEING BEATEN besides castillo I when suffering from terrible hand injuries .

as for ali??? whats the problem with 5???

whats the problem with wilde at 15?????

i can see you dont know much about boxing so i wont harp on u, ill let the others do that. im pretty sure u would put hamed in the top 10 greatest fighters

stop exaggerating you twat. i said he would have a punchers chance and that chin is wide open. anyway your the one who believs the hype. sanchez is also overhyped and so is lopez for sure. lopez fights guys who have had 4 or 5 fights. some of them had 15 or 17. NOVICES! minimumweight boxing is a joke and even putting the best in here is ridiculous. he wasnt even p4p top ten when he was the champ. he had questionable wins and the draw with alvarez shoudl have been a loss. go and actually watch it YOU ARE A JOKE he fought martial artists who had been boxing for 7 MONTHS for his title defences. Lopez is the biggest joke ever. he isnt even as good as kevin kelly or junior jones. pound for pound he is a pile of shit who hasnt foguth any decent opponents in his life. he held em off for years he retired because the light flyweights would have killed him. any real boxing fan knows that Lopez and minimumweights are a joke and that Wilde is tope ten anyday. ali is top 3 but i let you off on that one. but lets get 2 things straight you motherfucker;

1 I NEVER SAID NAZ WAS GREAT. I SAID HE HAS A PUNCHERS CHANCE AGAINST ANY FEATHERWEIGHT. A PUNCHER ALWAS HAS A CHANCE (IF YOU KNEW BOXING YOU WOULD KNOW THIS)

2 MINIMUMWEIGHT BOXING IS A JOKE, AND EVEN THE SO CALLED BEST WITH QUESTIONABLE WINS IS A JOKE. THE CURRENT CHAMPION AND NUMBER 1 HAS HAD 14 FIGHTS ANBD A FEW LOSSES. PROOF THAT THE COMPETITION LEVEL IS A JOKE. LOPEZ FOUGHT NOVICES FOR TEN YEARS. PROOF THAT HE IS A JOKE!!! PUTTING A MINIMUMWEIGHT IN TEH TOP 70 IS A BIG JOKE!!!!!

britpack · Post by **britpack** » 19 Sep 2005, 00:00

Rory McCloskey wrote:ali might have been the greatest heavyweight ever but that does not necessarily make him the greatest fighter IMO.. if someone were to rank him #1 its not to say i would have a problem with it, but top 5 is definate IMO

I THINK HE WAS BETTER THAN JOE LOUIS but i suppose it is matter of opinion. the choices he has before are good so ill let this one go. alot of pundits alwasy have ali at 2, but again it is a matter of opinion. i think he was the greatest because he was robbed of his prime and had a faster jab than robinson. his speed and his timing makes him a par above. watch what he did to williams before the ban. amazing. even beyond his prime when they said he was washed up he was jus too good. wow! top 5 definitely. top 3 usually. the greatest, i think he is.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 19 Sep 2005, 00:05

its funny how ur the only one that thinks my list is a joke.

- not to mention thats a preliminary list i made up in 3 hours for feedback. but ur feedback means jack shit to me cause i know u dont know much about boxing. when i put my final list together, i will have thought it out for weeks

if ur such an expert, lets see u put together a top 100 list.

have a nice day bert sugar

britpack · Post by **britpack** » 19 Sep 2005, 00:07

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:well thats ur opinion britpack, but judging ur recent posts, i think everyone knows ur the real jk here. u think hamed would beat salvador sanchez i have said enough.

floyd mayweather has dominated every weight class hes entered.he was perhaps the greatest super feather of all time, destroying great fighters like corrales, hernandez, both future HOF, and then beating top trough contenders jesus chavez, angel manfredy,justin jukko, carlos alberto hernandez.
then he went up to lightweight and took out jose luis castillo twice when having terrible brittle hands. every time mayweather threw a punch he had huge amounts of pain to the point of wanting to cry. yet he still beat jose luis castillo twice. then after dominating lightweight class, mayweather moved up to junir welter and now is dominating that weight class. HE HAS NEVER BEEN REALLY CLOSE TO BEING BEATEN besides castillo I when suffering from terrible hand injuries .

as for ali??? whats the problem with 5???

whats the problem with wilde at 15?????

i can see you dont know much about boxing so i wont harp on u, ill let the others do that. im pretty sure u would put hamed in the top 10 greatest fighters

by the way, floyd mayweather has alot ot prove at light welterweight before we can put him in the top 50 or even the top 100. this is dumb and a joke because you havent put roy jones who never came close to getting hit (until he became old and dumb and decided to become anorexic;lose muscle.robinson also lost at this age without losing muscle). mayweather hasnt proved that he is another roy jones. only a didlo would rank him so highly. he is dodging casamayor and any real test at 140. maybe you are one of them clowns who think gatti was great(hahahaha). beating gatti is so fukin easy 6 no-namers have done the same. if you put him there you might as well add ricky hatton. coz he hasnt proved he can beat hatton yet whatever you americans might think. let him fight the linear and undisputed champion first. then we will see. beating 2-3 hall of famers dont cut it for me. floyd is potentiall great but putting an unproven talent in top 50 is ludicrous. its like putting donald curry there before his ass was handed to him by lloyd hunegan. its like putting shane mosley there when he was undefeated. anything can happen, and prepare for the worst. his career isnt great enough as it stands now, so you cant put him in there. if he loses to hatton and coott then he becomes a has been. he hasnt cemented anything yet. he is just like a young donald curry- potential. only a clown would put potentially great into all time great

britpack · Post by **britpack** » 19 Sep 2005, 00:10

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:its funny how ur the only one that thinks my list is a joke.

- not to mention thats a preliminary list i made up in 3 hours for feedback. but ur feedback means jack shit to me cause i know u dont know much about boxing. when i put my final list together, i will have thought it out for weeks

if ur such an expert, lets see u put together a top 100 list.

have a nice day bert sugar

bert sugar would laugh at you. ok your list isnt that bad, but why make a list if you are so dumb. i nver claimed expertise so i never made such a list. you obviosuly havent seen many fighters judging by your list. mayweather at 49, lopez at 60ish. what a joke. unproven talent in mayweather, and a joke in lopez. i fi dont know much about boxing then you know NOTHING. any real wannabee pundit would know that minimumweights are a joke. but then again you have never seen his opponents fight. your judghing a guy befor knwing who he foguht. he foguht bums and newbies. guys who had been boxing for a few months. he has a the most padded record in the history of the sport. minimumweights are a joke, and you would know that if you knew ANYTHING about boxing. dumb list by the way. go watch some tapes you clown

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 19 Sep 2005, 00:13

britpack wrote

he is dodging casamayor

isnt that the aging fighter who lost to corrales(who mayweather spanked), freiatas, and just got a lucky draw against some journeyman club fighter Almazbek Raiymkulov????

- comments like that make me laugh my ass off behind the computer screen.

- mayweather would absolutely destroy joel cassamayor

britpack · Post by **britpack** » 19 Sep 2005, 00:13

remrulzz wrote:you put archie moore and joe louis ahead of rocky marciano.rocky crush those two easy

dumb ass. marciano had no chance against a prime louis. beating an OAP dont mean shit. he was great but not greater than louis. archie moore was great for his acheievements before heavyweight. i agree with these selections. quit with your dumbass critique. your dumber than this guy which is embarrasing coz he is quite dumb!

britpack · Post by **britpack** » 19 Sep 2005, 00:16

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:britpack wrote
he is dodging casamayor
isnt that the aging fighter who lost to corrales(who mayweather spanked), freiatas, and just got a lucky draw against some journeyman club fighter Almazbek Raiymkulov????

- comments like that make me laugh my ass off behind the computer screen.

- mayweather would absolutely destroy joel cassamayor

it doesnt matter if corrales beat him and mayweather beat corrales. corrales was green when mayweathe rbeat him, and even though he would beat casamayor he knows it is a big risk. it is a fact that he is dodging him. go read the news. he was offered 3.75 mill but his agent cant find him anywhere. not at home, or in the gym. Nowhere. again he probably wants more money before he fights. he is pricing himself out of the market. 3.75mill for casamayor is good. he can beats him but he is greedy. he cant sel tickets so he needs to quit the bullshit. just coz he can beat him doesnt mean he isnt dodging him. mayweather IS dodging casamayor. do your homework son

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 19 Sep 2005, 00:18

britpack almost everyone on the forum knows u dont have much boxing knowledge.

but before people decide to lay into u, stop calling people dumbass cause EVERYONE on the forum knows ur the real dumbass my friend.

so man, just dont call other peopless opinion dumb. even if u disagree, try to be civil.

- i mean i just want to save u from more embarrasemnt to ur self.