padwork

[arlovski]

LeedsLad speaks the truth! Been saying the same thing for years, ever since the slappy/showy padwork has become so popular due to Mayweather.
Fighters of old worked the bag, not mitts, for multiple rounds, working on technique and power, whille the trainer observed, broke down faults in technique, demonstrated what he wanted.

I'm from Leeds, do you train mate? If so, where out of interest?

That tippy tippy stuff is a lot of shit all for the cameras

errr, just realised who you are, ignore my last post, feel like a right div spouting off about training to a coach of your quality

[kierny]

Personally helps me work on my boxing technique

But any more than bagwork or sparring would?

Very good point

Any more than bag work? No disrespect but bag works merely for fitness, a trainer holding pads up for u requires speed, accuracy and works on ur defence to, when there throwing shots back to make sure your either out of range or you've moved your head, a bag isn't the same. Sparrings practicing the real thing there's no better training

[Emmseegee]

When people talk about padwork they all keep mentioning Mayweather.
Thats flashy nonsense compared to proper hard graft padwork, which for me does fighters the world of good.
Hatton on the body bag was definitely beneficial training, practicing footwork getting into positions to land body shots against a moving target inside a ring. How can that not be beneficial?
Bagwork is obviously beneficial aswell but padwork has its uses.

People can slip punches, block punches, land combinations, work on the front foot, back foot, move in and out of range.
Sparring is obviously the main aspect of a training camp to prepare for a fight, but padwork is good preperation for sparring!

I agree that some people might put too much focus on padwork but i strongly disagree that there isnt a benefit to it.

[matko]

When people talk about padwork they all keep mentioning Mayweather.
Thats flashy nonsense compared to proper hard graft padwork, which for me does fighters the world of good.
Hatton on the body bag was definitely beneficial training, practicing footwork getting into positions to land body shots against a moving target inside a ring. How can that not be beneficial?
Bagwork is obviously beneficial aswell but padwork has its uses.

People can slip punches, block punches, land combinations, work on the front foot, back foot, move in and out of range.
Sparring is obviously the main aspect of a training camp to prepare for a fight, but padwork is good preperation for sparring!

I agree that some people might put too much focus on padwork but i strongly disagree that there isnt a benefit to it.

Problem is now upcoming fighters now presume that they need pad work daily due to watching it regular and many think your arms are punch machines in your local buzzers

[safeerah]

Padwork is one of the most important parts of a boxer's training program, it enables the trainer to get up close to the fighter, the pads tell the trainer about the fighter's power, accuracy and timing. Anyone can look good hitting the bags and hide fitness problems, with the pads, the trainer can dictate the pace and test the fighters fitness levels, speed, power, timing and accuracy, the trainer can also correct the positioning of the fighter, get him to work at angles and use his feet more, with the bag the fighter does not have to move much, also the pads enables the fighter to extend more and punch through the target, developing better technique and more power.

Mohammed Ali's trainer, Angelo Dundee could not do pads, so Ali just used the bags, Shadow and hundreds of rounds sparring, too much sparring did not help Ali in later life, he used them more for conditioning then technical sessions, he would let fighters like Larry Holmes, Tim Witherspoon and Jimmy Ellis, to name but a few beat up on him on the ropes, things have moved on since them days and Pad work has become more important in modern boxing, some of the greatest fighters nowadays are also good on the pads.

[lefty]

Padwork is one of the most important parts of a boxer's training program, it enables the trainer to get up close to the fighter, the pads tell the trainer about the fighter's power, accuracy and timing. Anyone can look good hitting the bags and hide fitness problems, with the pads, the trainer can dictate the pace and test the fighters fitness levels, speed, power, timing and accuracy, the trainer can also correct the positioning of the fighter, get him to work at angles and use his feet more, with the bag the fighter does not have to move much, also the pads enables the fighter to extend more and punch through the target, developing better technique and more power.

Mohammed Ali's trainer, Angelo Dundee could not do pads, so Ali just used the bags, Shadow and hundreds of rounds sparring, too much sparring did not help Ali in later life, he used them more for conditioning then technical sessions, he would let fighters like Larry Holmes, Tim Witherspoon and Jimmy Ellis, to name but a few beat up on him on the ropes, things have moved on since them days and Pad work has become more important in modern boxing, some of the greatest fighters nowadays are also good on the pads.

How comes Angelo Dundee couldn't do pads? Is it because he was never taught how to do them or something?

[safeerah]

Padwork is one of the most important parts of a boxer's training program, it enables the trainer to get up close to the fighter, the pads tell the trainer about the fighter's power, accuracy and timing. Anyone can look good hitting the bags and hide fitness problems, with the pads, the trainer can dictate the pace and test the fighters fitness levels, speed, power, timing and accuracy, the trainer can also correct the positioning of the fighter, get him to work at angles and use his feet more, with the bag the fighter does not have to move much, also the pads enables the fighter to extend more and punch through the target, developing better technique and more power.

Mohammed Ali's trainer, Angelo Dundee could not do pads, so Ali just used the bags, Shadow and hundreds of rounds sparring, too much sparring did not help Ali in later life, he used them more for conditioning then technical sessions, he would let fighters like Larry Holmes, Tim Witherspoon and Jimmy Ellis, to name but a few beat up on him on the ropes, things have moved on since them days and Pad work has become more important in modern boxing, some of the greatest fighters nowadays are also good on the pads.

How comes Angelo Dundee couldn't do pads? Is it because he was never taught how to do them or something?

Angelo Dundee did not have a boxing background really and came into boxing because of his interest in the sport, he was very intelligent and came into boxing from another Industry, Ali had other people training him for most of his camp, Dundee used to come in near the end to fine tune Ali and work out the plan of action, it was case of what he used to say more then what he did, but Ali believed in him, trusted him and thought he was very smart. I don't think they would have been many who used the pads in them days.

[Teddy's Toupee]

I wonder how many of the top boxers from the 50's 60's and 70's did extensive padwork? I can't recall seeing footage of them "working the pads" (I started with the 50's because a previous poster says they were introduced after the second world war).

[lefty]

Padwork is one of the most important parts of a boxer's training program, it enables the trainer to get up close to the fighter, the pads tell the trainer about the fighter's power, accuracy and timing. Anyone can look good hitting the bags and hide fitness problems, with the pads, the trainer can dictate the pace and test the fighters fitness levels, speed, power, timing and accuracy, the trainer can also correct the positioning of the fighter, get him to work at angles and use his feet more, with the bag the fighter does not have to move much, also the pads enables the fighter to extend more and punch through the target, developing better technique and more power.

Mohammed Ali's trainer, Angelo Dundee could not do pads, so Ali just used the bags, Shadow and hundreds of rounds sparring, too much sparring did not help Ali in later life, he used them more for conditioning then technical sessions, he would let fighters like Larry Holmes, Tim Witherspoon and Jimmy Ellis, to name but a few beat up on him on the ropes, things have moved on since them days and Pad work has become more important in modern boxing, some of the greatest fighters nowadays are also good on the pads.

I think padwork is important anyway. Not saying its the be all and end all but it has its place and it plays a part in improving a fighter.

[palooka]

I wonder how many of the top boxers from the 50's 60's and 70's did extensive padwork? I can't recall seeing footage of them "working the pads" (I started with the 50's because a previous poster says they were introduced after the second world war).

I think you're right there Teddy; I read a book that said that the rise of pad work and weight training was a recent phenomena and was actually detrimental to the skill of boxing proper; (the book is called, The Arc of Boxing).

[Tomasino]

I wonder how many of the top boxers from the 50's 60's and 70's did extensive padwork? I can't recall seeing footage of them "working the pads" (I started with the 50's because a previous poster says they were introduced after the second world war).

I think you're right there Teddy; I read a book that said that the rise of pad work and weight training was a recent phenomena and was actually detrimental to the skill of boxing proper; (the book is called, The Arc of Boxing).

I sent you a pm mate.

[cakes]

Best iv seen is Dave Caldwell and av seen a lot of trainers he's awesome a once seen him with Ryan Rhodes them two are a pleasure to watch the sound is incredible

[safeerah]

Padwork is one of the most important parts of a boxer's training program, it enables the trainer to get up close to the fighter, the pads tell the trainer about the fighter's power, accuracy and timing. Anyone can look good hitting the bags and hide fitness problems, with the pads, the trainer can dictate the pace and test the fighters fitness levels, speed, power, timing and accuracy, the trainer can also correct the positioning of the fighter, get him to work at angles and use his feet more, with the bag the fighter does not have to move much, also the pads enables the fighter to extend more and punch through the target, developing better technique and more power.

Mohammed Ali's trainer, Angelo Dundee could not do pads, so Ali just used the bags, Shadow and hundreds of rounds sparring, too much sparring did not help Ali in later life, he used them more for conditioning then technical sessions, he would let fighters like Larry Holmes, Tim Witherspoon and Jimmy Ellis, to name but a few beat up on him on the ropes, things have moved on since them days and Pad work has become more important in modern boxing, some of the greatest fighters nowadays are also good on the pads.

I think padwork is important anyway. Not saying its the be all and end all but it has its place and it plays a part in improving a fighter.

I agree, too true.

[jonp]

I want to know why these boxers always ask for extra pads but not extra circuits or Abs

[safeerah]

I want to know why these boxers always ask for extra pads but not extra circuits or Abs

Pads is more fun, as is bagwork, sparring, shadow and skipping, circuits and Ab work is not as much fun, just pain, pain and more pain, but if done right brings great reward, that's after you have recovered, if you do recover lol.

[Scrap]

I want to know why these boxers always ask for extra pads but not extra circuits or Abs

It makes them feel wanted

[Jeff Thomas]

I didn't do any pads for a few of my fights - not sure if that's a good or bad thing

[safeerah]

I didn't do any pads for a few of my fights - not sure if that's a good or bad thing

maybe that's when you lost ?

[Teddy's Toupee]

I didn't do any pads for a few of my fights - not sure if that's a good or bad thing

maybe that's when you lost ?

Cheap shot safeerah. You obviously consider padwork to be an essential part of a boxer's training. I just wonder how many of the best fighters and coaches of past generations would agree (they didn't seem to use them a great deal, if at all).

[safeerah]

I didn't do any pads for a few of my fights - not sure if that's a good or bad thing

maybe that's when you lost ?

Cheap shot safeerah. You obviously consider padwork to be an essential part of a boxer's training. I just wonder how many of the best fighters and coaches of past generations would agree (they didn't seem to use them a great deal, if at all).

Just a joke Jeff, you fell for that one mate, I do think it is an important part of your training, but it depends how you use it, if it is just for banging some pads, then no, but if you use it to get a feel for the fighter, working on technique, feet and agles and head movement, plus slipping and going down to the body, then coming up at angles jabbing off it is very much needed, your right about older days, but that is because they did not know what they was or how to use them, a lot of the training in the old days was very basic, fighters nowadays are more technical, faster and have better movement, I think before they were tougher and mentally stronger, pads in them days would have made them better, as would modern training methods.

[Tomasino]

Just a joke Jeff, you fell for that one mate, I do think it is an important part of your training, but it depends how you use it, if it is just for banging some pads, then no, but if you use it to get a feel for the fighter, working on technique, feet and agles and head movement, plus slipping and going down to the body, then coming up at angles jabbing off it is very much needed, your right about older days, but that is because they did not know what they was or how to use them, a lot of the training in the old days was very basic, fighters nowadays are more technical, faster and have better movement, I think before they were tougher and mentally stronger, pads in them days would have made them better, as would modern training methods.[/quote]


How many of the top 30 fighters of all time used pads? How many of them were even from the era of using pads? I enjoy using them but the argument that fighters are better now than in the past is easily refuted. Especially with regards to footwork.

[safeerah]

Just a joke Jeff, you fell for that one mate, I do think it is an important part of your training, but it depends how you use it, if it is just for banging some pads, then no, but if you use it to get a feel for the fighter, working on technique, feet and agles and head movement, plus slipping and going down to the body, then coming up at angles jabbing off it is very much needed, your right about older days, but that is because they did not know what they was or how to use them, a lot of the training in the old days was very basic, fighters nowadays are more technical, faster and have better movement, I think before they were tougher and mentally stronger, pads in them days would have made them better, as would modern training methods.

How many of the top 30 fighters of all time used pads? How many of them were even from the era of using pads? I enjoy using them but the argument that fighters are better now than in the past is easily refuted. Especially with regards to footwork.[/quote]
I disagree with the footwork statement, most were plodders, not many of them were great movers, when Ali won the world heavyweight title, they said " it is the end of boxing as we know it " Modern boxers like Sugar Ray Leaonard and Mayweather would have had a field day, in them times, Sugar Ray Robinson was the best from them times, but even he lost to ordinary fighters.

[Tomasino]

Just a joke Jeff, you fell for that one mate, I do think it is an important part of your training, but it depends how you use it, if it is just for banging some pads, then no, but if you use it to get a feel for the fighter, working on technique, feet and agles and head movement, plus slipping and going down to the body, then coming up at angles jabbing off it is very much needed, your right about older days, but that is because they did not know what they was or how to use them, a lot of the training in the old days was very basic, fighters nowadays are more technical, faster and have better movement, I think before they were tougher and mentally stronger, pads in them days would have made them better, as would modern training methods.

How many of the top 30 fighters of all time used pads? How many of them were even from the era of using pads? I enjoy using them but the argument that fighters are better now than in the past is easily refuted. Especially with regards to footwork.

I disagree with the footwork statement, most were plodders, not many of them were great movers, when Ali won the world heavyweight title, they said " it is the end of boxing as we know it " Modern boxers like Sugar Ray Leaonard and Mayweather would have had a field day, in them times, Sugar Ray Robinson was the best from them times, but even he lost to ordinary fighters.[/quote]



Im afraid I disagree with your whole post. Which ordinary fighters beat Robinson, in his prime? Do you think Floyd would beat Ray Robinson? Or Carmen Basilio & Kid Gavilan?

[Emmseegee]

Call me sad but i went through Robinsons full record on his page here on boxrec a while ago and here is how it translates into facts....
(all numbers rounded to nearest number before any smart arses start doing the maths)
Robinsons average victory came against an opponent who at the time of fighting had a record of... fought 58 times, won 39, lost 15 and drew 4
His average loss came against an opponent who atthe time of fighting had a record of..... fought 54, won 42, lost 9, drew 2.
On average he lost against the better opponents he faced so really did he lose when he was on the slide or when his opponents got stronger? A lot of his opponents wouldnt have made it as a sparring partner against todays fighters.
By the end of his career he had lost 9.5% of his fights.

I looked into his record deeply when i had a debate about modern fighters with a mate and decided to do some research. Statistics can be bent in many ways to suit any argument and i am by no means saying that they stats above describe a true reflection of how good a fighter he was but he fought in a different era, if he was alive and fighting in this era then he wouldnt have had as many fights. If mayweather was fighting in Robinsons era he may have had 100, who knows but i just feel that Robinson gets more credit than others mainly because of how many fights he had. I 100% believe that Mayweather could have beaten Robinson, if he never then he would have certainly gave it a better go than the guy who made his debut against Robinson in his 80th contest or something! Talk about padded records? lol

Before all the boxing traditionalists start slaughtering me..... im not saying that Robinson is not the greatest fighter of all time. Im also not saying that he is but do people honestly believe there is such a gulf in class between the elite of today and yesteryears? Maybe there aint as many good fighters but the best of today are just as good of the best of years gone by.

[lefty]

Here's my take on it.......Padwork does play an important part especially when it comes to working on a fighters defense because when you're doing pads you're working on slipping shots, covering up and blocking when the person on the mitts is throwing back at you and also rolling under shots,etc. You can't do that with a heavy bag because it doesnt bloody move! Anyone can stand there hitting a bag! What does that prove?! The bag doesnt hit bag so you're not learning anything. Sparring I think is the the best and most realistic training in that aspect but again Sparring is only really a valuable tool if its realistic and you're actually going at each other with bad intentions! The problem though with that obviously is that if you're sparring is realistic then thats going to shorten the length of your career because you can't be having actual fights in your gym and then having i dont know say 40 pro fights aswell. The human body just wont be able to hold up.