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[Ezzard]

I had Pac-Bradley 117-111
Marquez-Pac III 114-116 (I think)

[Seamus]

Ezz

I was going to score Sanchez v Cowdell, but the quality of the tape online isn't the best. I seem to remember that being a fight where Cowdell gave Sanchez problems, by cautiously jabbing alot. One judge actually went for Cowdell. Gotta see it again though.

[Counter-puncher]

Ezz

I was going to score Sanchez v Cowdell, but the quality of the tape online isn't the best. I seem to remember that being a fight where Cowdell gave Sanchez problems, by cautiously jabbing alot. One judge actually went for Cowdell. Gotta see it again though.

Cowdell did give Sanchez some problems, more with his herky-jerky movement on defence than anything else IMO. he also refused to come at Sanchez and made him chase and lead off, though I'm not sure i'd have given him more than 6 rounds (european judge who scored it to Cowdell, was it?)

[Ezzard]

Pat is local to where I grew up. He was a very good defensive boxer. And I do agree that by refusing to go to the great counter-puncher…he caused him big problems. I believe getting dropped in the last round lost him the fight…or lost him the chance of a draw.

Aggression doesn’t count for as much in the UK when it comes to scoring. At least not traditionally. We’re all globalised now.

Would be good to try and unearth a decent copy of that fight.

[Counter-puncher]

Pat is local to where I grew up. He was a very good defensive boxer. And I do agree that by refusing to go to the great counter-puncher…he caused him big problems. I believe getting dropped in the last round lost him the fight…or lost him the chance of a draw.

Aggression doesn’t count for as much in the UK when it comes to scoring. At least not traditionally. We’re all globalised now.

Would be good to try and unearth a decent copy of that fight.

PM

[Seamus]

Ezz

You're pretty knowledgeable on UK fighters. Was Dave Needham the fellow who fought Cowdell 3 times, related to Dave Needham the footballer ? Ironic how the boxer was from Nottingham and the footballer was at Forest around the same time he was fighting.

[Ezzard]

Ezz

You're pretty knowledgeable on UK fighters. Was Dave Needham the fellow who fought Cowdell 3 times, related to Dave Needham the footballer ? Ironic how the boxer was from Nottingham and the footballer was at Forest around the same time he was fighting.

Wow! Great memory, I remember the footballer from my old sticker collection. Not sure, both were about the same age...

I remember that Needham made an error which led to the winning goal for Andy Gray in the League Cup final... My best mates were Wolves fans. They loved that moment. I was completely gutted, they had bragging rights over me for years...

[Seamus]

He was an England B team player and there was some talk of a full cap, but it never happened.

[Counter-puncher]

He was an England B team player and there was some talk of a full cap, but it never happened.

i believe he found God, became a born-again Christian, and spent the rest of his life giving talks to Church groups.

[dempseyfire]

Larry Holmes vs Carl 'the Truth' Williams

Rounds:

1 Williams
2 Williams
3 Williams
4 Holmes
5 Williams
6 Williams
7 Holmes
8 Holmes
9 Holmes
10 Williams
11 Williams
12 Holmes
13 Even (Williams dances around and lands a few more jabs but Holmes is aggressor and lands the only effective punch of the round (right hand)
14 Holmes
15 Holmes

That's 7 for Holmes, 7 for Williams, 1 even, a DRAW. Surprising since the last time I scored this fight I had Williams a comfortable winner. I don't think this was the robbery I used to think it was, although the decision could've easily gone to Williams. Williams started out great but faded in the championship rounds, which will cost you in a championship fight.

[Seamus]

It's been awhile, but I had the Truth winning 146-142.

[hhaehre]

I had it 145-140 Williams, scoring it 10-5 with no even rounds. There were a few close rounds that I gave to Williams but a draw is really the best I could do for Holmes giving him every benefit of the doubt. Scores of 146-139 for Holmes like two of the judges had it is just plain crazy.

[Seamus]

I was tempted to take a pt from the Truth for looking like a beginner when he missed a punch and then turned in a complete circle. Or did I imagine that.

[Seamus]

Alan Minter vs Vito Antuofermo I

R1. 10-9 AM
R2. 10-9 VA
R3. 10-9 AM
R4. 10-9 VA
R5. 10-9 VA
R6. 10-9 VA
R7. 10-9 VA
R8. 10-9 AM
R9. 10-9 AM
R10. 10-10 Even
R11. 10-9 VA
R12. 10-9 AM
R13. 10-10 Even
R14. 10-8 VA due to knockdown
R15. 10-9 AM

Vito Antuofermo 144-142

This like most Antuofermo fights was hard to score. Vito can get hit with 3 clean blows and then tag his opponent with one, drive him into the ropes pin him there, and then do quite alot of rough housing. I thought he beat Minter after recently watching the bout again, but this one I wouldn't dispute too much if someone insisted that Minter just did edge it. A wide decision either way however would be ridiculous.

I really didn't want to do this BUT

Muhammad Ali vs Jimmy Young

R1. 10-9 JY
R2. 10-9 JY
R3. 10-10 Even
R4. 10-9 MA
R5. 10-9 MA
R6. 10-9 MA
R7. 10-9 MA
R8. 10-9 JY
R9. 10-9 JY
R10.10-9 JY
R11.10-9 JY
R12.10-9 JY
R13.10-9 MA
R14.10-9 JY
R15.10-9 JY

Jimmy Young 145-141

36 years ago this fight seemed exciting, obviously because there was the added anticipation that we might be witnessing a major upset in the making, but after watching it again after so many years I unfortunately realised it was a horrible fight. Ali came into the ring in embarassing shape, and in spite of that, Young was content to rack up rounds by landing just enough punches to win. Jimmy Young definitely deserved the decision, but I can't applaud him too much when I consider the fact that he had a faded champion in front of him, who was there for the taking.

[Seamus]

Just realised Ali v Young was on the 5 pt must, so I had it 70-66 for Jimmy Young.

[dempseyfire]

I was tempted to take a pt from the Truth for looking like a beginner when he missed a punch and then turned in a complete circle. Or did I imagine that.

No that happened in the 8th round.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Ezz

I was going to score Sanchez v Cowdell, but the quality of the tape online isn't the best. I seem to remember that being a fight where Cowdell gave Sanchez problems, by cautiously jabbing alot. One judge actually went for Cowdell. Gotta see it again though.

Ford was even tighter.

[Seamus]

Some more from one of my favorites.

Salvador Sanchez vs Azumah Nelson

R1. 10-9 AN
R2. 10-9 AN
R3. 10-9 AN
R4. 10-9 AN
R5. 10-9 AN
R6. 10-9 SS
R7. 10-8 SS (knockdown)
R8. 10-9 SS
R9. 10-9 SS
R10.10-9 AN
R11.10-9 AN
R12.10-9 SS
R13.10-9 AN
R14.10-9 SS

133-132 for Azumah Nelson going into the final round.

Azumah Nelson absolutely fought his heart out in this fight, and had the lead by a pt going into the final round on my scorecard, when Salvador Sanchez crushed him. Sanchez on the other hand, in my opinion, showed if he had one occasional weakness, it was that he could sometimes fight at too relaxed of a pace. Against Nelson, he pretty much gave away the first 5 rounds thru inactivity, but in the second half of the fight he demonstrated he could pretty much hurt Nelson any time he really wanted (Nelson was wobbled 4 times in addition to the 2 knockdowns)

Salvador Sanchez vs Danny Lopez I

No need to even list a round by round, since I gave Sanchez every round until the stoppage and had him leading 120-108. One of the commentators actually gave Lopez 3 rds, which makes me wonder what fight he was watching. These were two of my favorites at the time, and looking at this bout it's hard to watch Lopez get beat to a pulp while staying on his feet, but this was Salvador Sanchez at his best. SS fought at a far more aggressive pace then he did against Nelson, Ford, or Cowdell in this bout, and I seriously doubt this three would have lasted till the final round if they had faced the same Sanchez.

[Counter-puncher]

SS fought at a far more aggressive pace then he did against Nelson, Ford, or Cowdell in this bout, and I seriously doubt this three would have lasted till the final round if they had faced the same Sanchez.

there's a corollary to that, of course, in that Lopez came straight at SS in a way Ford and Cowdell never did.

[Rover]

I had Pac winning all three fights with, oddly enough, the first fight being the closest. I think Pac, like a lot of fighters, tends to get dinged by the fans when someone is able to blunt his aggression regardless of how well he is doing. I dont have a problem with anyone saying that any of those fights could have gone either way but to sit here and say any of them was one sided is absurd.

Agreed, though I had #2 the closest (1 point as compared to 2-point margins in #1 & #3).

[Rover]

Eusebio Pedroza vs Bernard Taylor

R1 10-9 BT
R2 10-9 BT
R3 10-9 BT
R4 10-9 EP
R5 10-9 BT
R6 10-10 Even
R7 10-9 BT
R8 10-9 BT
R9 10-9 BT
R10 10-9 BT
R11 10-9 BT
R12 10-9 EP
R13 10-9 EP
R 14 10-9 EP
R15 10-10 Even

146-141 for Bernard Taylor

This was probably a fight that the average boxing fan would have scored for Pedroza on the basis that they believe you can't win rounds backing away. A more accurate adage however is that, you can't win rounds when you don't land punches.

For the first 11 rounds Taylor just keeps moving and refuses to mix it up with Pedroza. He's not landing many punches, but he's stealing round after round by just landing a little more. Pedroza comes on in the last 4 and narrows the score a bit with sheer wild agression, but in the end, Taylor, frustrating tactics in all appears to have been robbed.

145-142 Eusebio for me. Took the last four to get it.

[Rover]

Next up, 3 Rocky Lockridge fights, which illustrate, I think, that if not for some horrendous fight scoring, he may well have ended up in the IBHOF.

Rocky Lockridge vs Wilfredo Gomez

R1 10-9 RL
R2 10-10 Even
R3 10-9 RL
R4 10-9 RL
R5 10-10 Even
R6 10-9 RL
R7 10-9 WG
R8 10-9 RL
R9 10-9 RL
R10 10-9 RL
R11 10-9 WG
R12 10-9 WG
R13 10-9 WG
R14 10-10 Even
R15 10-9 RL

Rocky Lockridge 146-142

Wilfredo Gomez was practically out on his feet after the 10th and was well behind on my scorecard, but then amazingly got up on his toes and outboxed Lockridge for 3 rounds, but Rocky finished strongly over the final 2 rounds. A very bad hometown decision for Wilfredo Gomez.

Eusebio Pedroza vs Rocky Lockridge I

R1 10-9 RL
R2 10-9 RL
R3 10-9 RL
R4 10-10 Even
R5 10-9 RL
R6 10-9 RL
R7 10-9 RL
R8 10-9 RL
R9 10-9 EP
R10 10-9 EP
R11 10-9 EP
R12 10-10 Even
R13 10-9 RL
R14 10-9 EP
R15 10-9 RL

Rocky Lockridge 146-141

An even worse decision than the Gomez fight. Lockridge builds a big lead, Pedroza doesn't rally till the 9th, but once again Lockridge gives a good account of himself over the final 3 rounds. Incidentally, I've never been a fan of Eusebio Pedroza. His boxing skills, durability, and stamina cannot be denied, but I think he's been one of the dirtiest champions of my lifetime, with low blows and frequent holding his specialties.

Julio Cesar Chavez vs Rocky Lockridge

R1 10-9 RL
R2 10-9 JCC
R3 10-10 Even
R4 10-9 RL
R5 10-9 RL
R6 10-9 JCC
R7 10-10 Even
R8 10-9 RL
R9 10-9 JCC
R10 10-9 JCC
R11 10-9 JCC
R12 10-9 RL

115-115 Draw

This was a difficult fight to score. When I first watched it live, I had it 116-114 for Lockridge. Chavez did land the better punches in this bout, but Lockridge was far busier, and frequently drove Julio back. For some reason, Chavez never displayed his usual aggression, which leads me to suspect, that contrary to what the fight commentators were saying, Rocky's punches to Julio's arms and body were slowing him down a bit. I can understand someone scoring this fight for Chavez by a pt, but I think the one judge who had it a draw was the most accurate.

So there you have it, Rocky Lockridge going 0-3 against 3 Hall of Famers, in fights he easily should have been 2-0-1 or even 3-0 in. In my opinion, Rocky is today very underrated.

Lockridge/Gomez: 146-140 Lockridge (abhorrent decision).
Pedroza/Lockridge I: 145-141 Pedroza.
Chavez/Lockridge: 116-112 Chavez.

[Rover]

Ezz

I was going to score Sanchez v Cowdell, but the quality of the tape online isn't the best. I seem to remember that being a fight where Cowdell gave Sanchez problems, by cautiously jabbing alot. One judge actually went for Cowdell. Gotta see it again though.

Cowdell did give Sanchez some problems, more with his herky-jerky movement on defence than anything else IMO. he also refused to come at Sanchez and made him chase and lead off, though I'm not sure i'd have given him more than 6 rounds (european judge who scored it to Cowdell, was it?)

It was indeed. I gave Cowdell 3 rounds.

[Rover]

The first Tony Lopez fight could have gone his way as well. I scored it for Lopez by point, but it could have gone the other way.

115-112 Lopez here. Even through 9; Tony got the last 3.

[Rover]

Pat is local to where I grew up. He was a very good defensive boxer. And I do agree that by refusing to go to the great counter-puncher…he caused him big problems. I believe getting dropped in the last round lost him the fight…or lost him the chance of a draw.

Aggression doesn’t count for as much in the UK when it comes to scoring. At least not traditionally. We’re all globalised now.

Would be good to try and unearth a decent copy of that fight.

Cowdell lost by 6 and 11 points on two of the cards, so getting KD'd didn't cost him a draw. Sal had it won.