Olympic scoring problems

[JMac]

http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/8/2/321 ... ter-robbed

[Dennis]

Any update regarding anything being done about it?

[JMac]

Any update regarding anything being done about it?

I sent that article to several people this morning and one of them is in London in an admin position. He said that in reference to the article, the high and low scores had not yet been removed at that time so the final score was correct. I didn't think Hunter did enough to win. He looked good in the 1st but by the 3rd, he wasn't doing enough to win.

[Dennis]

For Hunter's bout, the score of 10-10 was correct. It was the countback score which is the scores of the 3 judges whose scores were counted that was added wrong. Adding those together, Hunter won by a score of 30-29.

[boxmel]

For Hunter's bout, the score of 10-10 was correct. It was the countback score which is the scores of the 3 judges whose scores were counted that was added wrong. Adding those together, Hunter won by a score of 30-29.

Dennis - we you able to see the scorecard? I know AIBA has published at least one online, but it wasn't Hunters. Also, it's my understanding, that the computer figures the countback score automatically.

[Mighty Atom]

For Hunter's bout, the score of 10-10 was correct. It was the countback score which is the scores of the 3 judges whose scores were counted that was added wrong. Adding those together, Hunter won by a score of 30-29.

This is a problem with the website not the scores.
The judges round scores on the website aren't the ones used to calculate the countback scores.

This is how it works (you probably know most of this already):
At the end of the each round the five judges scores are collected. The high and low scores are thrown out and the average is the score given. If the scores are level after round 3 it goes to countback.
The system changes slightly. The five judges total scores for all three rounds are collected, high and low scores are thrown out and the three totals added together.

The thing is it's almost never that the same 3 judges scores are the ones taken for all 3 rounds of the fight so the scores on the website are useless for calculating countback.

[T Duquette]

Also, it's my understanding, that the computer figures the countback score automatically.

Ohhhhhhh, the magical computer... hahahaha That thing is so prone to corruption and negligence...

I see a lawsuit brewing, what do you think Dennis?

[BARNEYKX]

REFEREEING AND JUDGEING LAST NIGHT WAS DISGRACEFUL IN THE HEAVIES

[boxmel]

Ohhhhhhh, the magical computer... hahahaha That thing is so prone to corruption and negligence...

the computer is an inanimate object. If there is any corruption or negligence, blame the judges pushing the buttons.

I see a lawsuit brewing, what do you think Dennis?

Could bee - but filing a lawsuit against AIBA isn't easy. 8)

[Dennis]

For Hunter's bout, the score of 10-10 was correct. It was the countback score which is the scores of the 3 judges whose scores were counted that was added wrong. Adding those together, Hunter won by a score of 30-29.

This is a problem with the website not the scores.
The judges round scores on the website aren't the ones used to calculate the countback scores.

This is how it works (you probably know most of this already):
At the end of the each round the five judges scores are collected. The high and low scores are thrown out and the average is the score given. If the scores are level after round 3 it goes to countback.
The system changes slightly. The five judges total scores for all three rounds are collected, high and low scores are thrown out and the three totals added together.

The thing is it's almost never that the same 3 judges scores are the ones taken for all 3 rounds of the fight so the scores on the website are useless for calculating countback.

Actually your version of how the scoring works is incorrect it is the Similar Scores that are averaged. The might throw out the low and high but often it is the two highs or two lows that are thrown out. Example 2,2,3,5,9 for red and the scores kept are 2,2,3 and thrown out are the two highs 5 & 9. The average of 2+2+3 is 2. The only time the high and low are thrown out is when the Trimmed Mean system is used which happens when there are several possible outcomes using the Similar Score method. Example: 2,3,4,5,6 2,3,4 and 3,4,5 and 4,5,6 are all as similar as the others so then the Trimmed Mean says 3,4,5 are used and 2 & 6 are thrown out. The average of 3+4+5 is 4.

[Dennis]

The heavyweight bouts yesterday all were controversial. I think the referees and judges did a terrible job or at least some of the judges did. The Usyk vs Beterbiev bout: Usyk did not box and stayed in close which surprised me. The body punch looked legal on the side and not on th back. Usyk pointed to the back to try to convince the ref that it was a foul and the ref bought it. Beterbiev landed a lot of hard inside punches that just weren't counted. I understand why they weren't counted with the old "1 second window" system but with the new system some of the judges had to see a left or right while the others had to see one of the other punches land. It was like the judges were biased against Beterbiev.

Pulev - Peralta: Perlata landed a lot of outside punches that seemed be easy points to count and yet he wasn't getting credit for most of them. Again a bias just because Pulev is ranked high and is more highly regarded due to his successes over the years.

Mammadov - Karneyeu: This one makes the BBC story about Azerbaijan buying gold medals seem very accurate. The ref did a terrible job. Issue two warnings for holding and then issue 2 cautions thereafter for pushing down on the head or wrestling or something else just becuase the ref didn't want to DQ the guy. Terrible!!!

Russo - Larduet: Russo fought the way he always does with every dirty trick in the book. He always holds, wrestles, holds and hits, elbows, hits low, taunts, slaps, hits behind the head, headbutts, trips, throws down the opponent, etc. He is a master of fouling without getting warned or DQ'd. The ref should have issued warnings against Russo for some of the fouls. The scoring in this bout probably was accurate. It was the ref who blew it.

[skept]

the problem with olympic scoring started right here in the us when our own judges didnt know how to score fights, and allowing non deserved fighters to advance places they had no business. thats why alot of our amateur stars get ko'd quick in the pros. politics cant save them there. the us also cheated for 2 boxers, NO MATTER WHAT and they was banned from amateur boxing for alledged illegal use of steriods, or whatever. people wont speak up cause they know better but at the same time our program sank to an all time low. IN THE NAME OF CASSIUS CLAY, RAY CHARLES LEONARD, MICHAEL & LEON SPINKS, OSCAR DE LA HOYA, AND EVEN LEO RANDOLPH.....WASSUP? 0 medals? WASSUP??

[byrdman66]

Computer Scoring: Really we are still taking about that, Everyone know that it has been a problem for years and even before the computer Olympics scoring has been a problem , the ? is when is it going to be about the athlete, whether you like them or not or even their Coach, we should be send are best and we all know that there are several weight classes that we did not send USA very best... Once the organization quit mixing Politics and Money.. And put the correct Athlete in the Olympics, the athlete will make the organization Shine and when the organization Shines then the Money will come.. Everyone will invest in a winning organization:

THE BUDDY SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING..

JEFF BYRD

[skept]

Computer Scoring: Really we are still taking about that, Everyone know that it has been a problem for years and even before the computer Olympics scoring has been a problem , the ? is when is it going to be about the athlete, whether you like them or not or even their Coach, we should be send are best and we all know that there are several weight classes that we did not send USA very best... Once the organization quit mixing Politics and Money.. And put the correct Athlete in the Olympics, the athlete will make the organization Shine and when the organization Shines then the Money will come.. Everyone will invest in a winning organization:

THE BUDDY SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING..

JEFF BYRD

good point. and this cant be swept under the rug either cause usa mens had 0 medals. all the false hype & hoopla surrounding a certain boxer might have been undeserved. boxers left london by the time their final boxer/team mate entered the ring hoping to reach the medal round. where was the support? then they bashed the coaches on the way out the door. 0 medals is unforgivable & the next 4 yrs may not be any better. the ghosts of 2012 will linger 4 a long long time and many disconnections will be a connection in all this. ya feel me?