Laila Ali vs. Ann Wolfe

[dajuggernaut]

Prime vs. Prime

Who wins?

[IKSRTFO]

Interesting because of the surface that Wolfe was a dangerous brawler while Ali was considered pretty technical and skilled. Looking at their records, Ali lent out alot of beatdowns against notable names like Toughill Mahfood, and Martin even if Martin was done. She lent out more beatdowns and have a higher KO rate than both Wolfe and Rijker :!: While Wolfe scored some scary KO's (Vonda Ward), many of her fights went the distance and she was very crude. Laila was tougher than the media's vision of "Ali's pretty daughter" Ali by domination and TKO. I think even the smaller Rijker has a better chance against Ali and had a good chance of beating the bigger, one dimensional Wolfe.

[BoxBuzz]

Interesting because of the surface that Wolfe was a dangerous brawler while Ali was considered pretty technical and skilled. Looking at their records, Ali lent out alot of beatdowns against notable names like Toughill Mahfood, and Martin even if Martin was done. She lent out more beatdowns and have a higher KO rate than both Wolfe and Rijker :!: While Wolfe scored some scary KO's (Vonda Ward), many of her fights went the distance and she was very crude. Laila was tougher than the media's vision of "Ali's pretty daughter" Ali by domination and TKO. I think even the smaller Rijker has a better chance against Ali and had a good chance of beating the bigger, one dimensional Wolfe.

I see if we change your letters around we can create "OF SKIRT". Which may give you more insight than some others.

And whether your are cut from such cloth or not, I think you have this one pegged accurately.

[dempseyfire]

Wolfe by KO. Ali was a pure hype job; I was never impressed by her when I saw her fight the bums she would fight on PPV undercards. Slow and not that skilled, whereas Wolf had man-like fast twitch muscles/explosiveness.

[BoxBuzz]

Wolfe by KO. Ali was a pure hype job; I was never impressed by her when I saw her fight the bums she would fight on PPV undercards. Slow and not that skilled, whereas Wolf had man-like fast twitch muscles/explosiveness.

She KO'd Ward with a great shot. No Doubt....not that Ward didn't flat out openly invite it.

[scallum]

Wolfe by KO. Ali was a pure hype job; I was never impressed by her when I saw her fight the bums she would fight on PPV undercards. Slow and not that skilled, whereas Wolf had man-like fast twitch muscles/explosiveness.

I thought they fought about the same level of comp? Didn't Ali ko the lady who ko'd Wolfe?

[orbtastic]

Women's boxing back then was really difficult to judge accurately. They had one or two "names" that varying promoters would punt onto cards and shove in with someone either completely unknown or inept.

Martin had some skill and power but fought a lot of stiffs. I remember one girl she fought clearly had no business lacing on a pair of gloves and predictably, she scored a highlight reel stoppage.

I think when Martin fought Ali she was way past her best, not to mention several divisions north of her ideal fighting weight.

They were generally steered away from each other. Rijker (who had some genuine boxing skill and serious power) would have clowned Martin at her peak. If anyone is interested in seeing Rijker "lose" then she got badly KTFO against a male Muay Thai fighter in an exhibition (although it looked pretty serious to me).

As to the original question, I think Wolfe would very probably have KO'd Ali, crude as she was at times. I remember her struggling with Frazier's daughter (?), she was largely a hype job.

[IKSRTFO]

Wolfe by KO. Ali was a pure hype job; I was never impressed by her when I saw her fight the bums she would fight on PPV undercards. Slow and not that skilled, whereas Wolf had man-like fast twitch muscles/explosiveness.

Ali fought similar opponents to Wolf. Ali stopped Mahfood twice. The same Mahfood that beat Wolfe and Wolfe couldn't KO in the 2nd bout.

[BoxBuzz]

Wolfe by KO. Ali was a pure hype job; I was never impressed by her when I saw her fight the bums she would fight on PPV undercards. Slow and not that skilled, whereas Wolf had man-like fast twitch muscles/explosiveness.

Ali fought similar opponents to Wolf. Ali stopped Mahfood twice. The same Mahfood that beat Wolfe and Wolfe couldn't KO in the 2nd bout.

.....sometimes the name Ali solicits an "emotional" response rather than a thoughtful one. I don't see how you watch these girls fight in the first place....lol. However if you do take the time, then I don't see how you can give Wolfe an advantage over Ali. Wolfe would have had the chance if she would have given just a little respect Ali's way, but she dissed her to the point that Ali decided to deny her that pay day. (IMHO this was a far worse beating to take, than anything Ali would have dished out to Wolfe, even though I do believe Ali would have won that fight) Women "fight" in a different way.....and Ali "had her way" with Wolfe on this one. lol

With that said, I consider both dempsey and saad very good assessors,.....though they often disagree. If I really want them to agree, I simply post my opinion first. .....ok, I'm just kidding here.

[AngryGoon38]

Wolfe by KO. Ali was a pure hype job; I was never impressed by her when I saw her fight the bums she would fight on PPV undercards. Slow and not that skilled, whereas Wolf had man-like fast twitch muscles/explosiveness.

She KO'd Ward with a great shot. No Doubt....not that Ward didn't flat out openly invite it.

I remember that fight,it was back in 2004. Very disturbing but i later found out how emaciated Ward was for that bout and that had quite a bit to do with the outcome, imo at least. I mean,she was an extremely gaunt 170 lbs for that bout,by far the lightest bodyweight of her carear,she obviously really starved herself down very badly just to be in Wolf's natural weight division and to give the promoters the fight they were clamoring over at that time.

Just take a gander at Vonda Ward's carear and her various bodyweights for each bout,she had been 193 lbs sometime recently before the Wolf fight and at 6-6,even 193 was a tad too thin for her,she should've been fighting at 198-205 for each bout at that height. She was seriously looking zombified at that sickly 170 bodyweight. She was basically deadbiggirl walking before the opening bell rang. People are so amazingly unaware of various intangibles/details no matter how legitimate they really are. She took that fight only because fighters and getting fights is so scarce and hard to accomplish in women's boxing.

She was literally a couple divisions above Wolf when fighting at her more natural weight. It was like an allready thin cruiserweight starving themself down to fight a super middleweight. I think the promoters should be seriously ashamed for forcing this fight to happen. A Huge misjustice and downright ludacris and ridiculous to say the least.

:geek2:

[crusader]

I don't understand why so many put Wolfe on a higher level than Ali. If anything, Ali fought better opposition and was no less dominant overall than Wolfe was. Their performances against common opponents were similar, although Ali knocked out Mahfood twice while Wolfe lost by KO and won a competitive decision in a rematch.

Wolfe had a good punch, but she was terribly slow (dempseyfire's comment about her fast twitch muscles perplexes me) and crude; Ali was also crude, but I think she was quicker and put her punches together better.

It would be roughly a 50/50 fight for me.