is there any positive for female boxers to turn pro?

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Ive been impressed by the ladies boxing at the olympics this year and the positive profile it has shown.

as usual there is the talk about olympic boxers turning pro and being signed up on lucrative contracts etc....

I just wonder if there is any benefit to the female boxers to move into the pro ranks? the amateur scene appears to be much better organised, regular fights happen and there are much more opponents. the pro scene on the other hand appears to be dominated by the odd individual and the higher weight classes have hardly any fighters at all.

given the grants and support the boxers get with the ABA is there much better on offer in the pro ranks or should they really stay in the amateur scene where all teh action is at?
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I was going to ask this myself.

I don't know enough about women's pro boxing to make a proper comment, tbh.
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Thinking about it, there can't really be too many positives. Short term there might be but even medium term it will fade. Like it or not, once the novelty has worn off after a few months, people like us will be buying tickets to and talking about mens fights. In 2 years her contract could have expired and be in an empty market place. Amateur wise, she'll be funded up to the next games i'm guessing.

Would anyone hear pay to see a card of womens boxing (at the standard rate) in the next couple of years? Being honest, i wouldn't.
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freddydoesdallas wrote:Thinking about it, there can't really be too many positives. Short term there might be but even medium term it will fade. Like it or not, once the novelty has worn off after a few months, people like us will be buying tickets to and talking about mens fights. In 2 years her contract could have expired and be in an empty market place. Amateur wise, she'll be funded up to the next games i'm guessing.

Would anyone hear pay to see a card of womens boxing (at the standard rate) in the next couple of years? Being honest, i wouldn't.
I know that someone said that the lass was now 'set for life'. Far, far from it, surely - though I'd be delighted if that wasn't the case.

Hopefully she can cash in with some sponsorship deals and put that to one side.
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Exactly, a few sponsorship deals straight after the games but she's not going to be dictating financial terms for pro-contracts.

In a way, it's a shame she won this first gold in these games. She'll be competing with the more mainstream medallists for the deals and there's a good chance the men could overshadow her too.

I'm sure she'll benefit but not in the same way that some athletes do.
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freddydoesdallas wrote:Exactly, a few sponsorship deals straight after the games but she's not going to be dictating financial terms for pro-contracts.

In a way, it's a shame she won this first gold in these games. She'll be competing with the more mainstream medallists for the deals and there's a good chance the men could overshadow her too.

I'm sure she'll benefit but not in the same way that some athletes do.
The good thing is, she seems very marketable. Seems a really nice lass, smashing smile, eloquent, clean cut, etc. I know she's from Leeds but hey, you can't have everything 8)
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dondada wrote:
freddydoesdallas wrote:Exactly, a few sponsorship deals straight after the games but she's not going to be dictating financial terms for pro-contracts.

In a way, it's a shame she won this first gold in these games. She'll be competing with the more mainstream medallists for the deals and there's a good chance the men could overshadow her too.

I'm sure she'll benefit but not in the same way that some athletes do.
The good thing is, she seems very marketable. Seems a really nice lass, smashing smile, eloquent, clean cut, etc. I know she's from Leeds but hey, you can't have everything 8)
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/spo ... 2081037811
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dookus wrote:
dondada wrote:
freddydoesdallas wrote:Exactly, a few sponsorship deals straight after the games but she's not going to be dictating financial terms for pro-contracts.

In a way, it's a shame she won this first gold in these games. She'll be competing with the more mainstream medallists for the deals and there's a good chance the men could overshadow her too.

I'm sure she'll benefit but not in the same way that some athletes do.
The good thing is, she seems very marketable. Seems a really nice lass, smashing smile, eloquent, clean cut, etc. I know she's from Leeds but hey, you can't have everything 8)
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/spo ... 2081037811
Ive got one in Holbeck as well that might do her after a few pints :twisted:
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I've worked in the area where Nicola is from and I'm certain she'll be given additional funding to carry out work within the community (eg, visits to school etc). Her personality and likeability will also earn her plenty of commercial and media work.

Personally, given the grubby state of the women's pro game, I believe she'd be better off focusing on becoming a double Olympian in Rio.
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Not into it tbh but saying that I would watch Katie Taylor against anyone.
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I don't even know how she would be brought along if she turned pro. What would she do? There's hardly any female fighters per weight division in the world, so she wouldn't be able to get fights. she'd have to go to the US and take fights against the best before being ready for them, and the low volume of fights would mean she would barely be able to make a living off it, surely.
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Arniesgym wrote:Not into it tbh but saying that I would watch Katie Taylor against anyone.
Looking at her record she gets gold in everything... like the last 10 major comps in a row! Unbeatable!
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I think there is money to be made however doubt it will be made over here. In Germany and the US tho as far as I am aware the pro women at the top level do make some ok money. Obviously I am not the foremost authority on what the women earn I think Jane might be able to shed some light on whether there is good money in it.
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She's confirmed in today's Yorkshire Evening Post and intends to defend her title in Rio.

Anthony Joshua is making very similar noises in the same article.
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Assuming that she is on the top funding that is about £30k a year - tax free (plus any other sponsorship she should be able to get).

Also, don't forget that all training expenses and medical costs are all thrown in - with no managers/trainers/promoters fees to take out.

I would have thought that financially she will be better off staying amateur.
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bripez wrote:Assuming that she is on the top funding that is about £30k a year - tax free (plus any other sponsorship she should be able to get).

Also, don't forget that all training expenses and medical costs are all thrown in - with no managers/trainers/promoters fees to take out.

I would have thought that financially she will be better off staying amateur.
Not to mention the fact that there is no market for womens pro boxing in this country and she is still unknown in the US.

With her personality and new found status she'll make a perfectly good living by sticking right where she is
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RJP wrote:
bripez wrote:Assuming that she is on the top funding that is about £30k a year - tax free (plus any other sponsorship she should be able to get).

Also, don't forget that all training expenses and medical costs are all thrown in - with no managers/trainers/promoters fees to take out.

I would have thought that financially she will be better off staying amateur.
Not to mention the fact that there is no market for womens pro boxing in this country and she is still unknown in the US.

With her personality and new found status she'll make a perfectly good living by sticking right where she is
Is there any reason why women can't be on the undercard of men's shows?

I agree that her novelty factor would wear off, and if I were her, although I despise this kind of thing, I would strike whilst the iron is hot and cash in on as many marketing/commercial deals as possible. She'll never make big money in the ring, so whilst your profile and stock is high, make hay while the sun shines.
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Finch wrote:
RJP wrote:
bripez wrote:Assuming that she is on the top funding that is about £30k a year - tax free (plus any other sponsorship she should be able to get).

Also, don't forget that all training expenses and medical costs are all thrown in - with no managers/trainers/promoters fees to take out.

I would have thought that financially she will be better off staying amateur.
Not to mention the fact that there is no market for womens pro boxing in this country and she is still unknown in the US.

With her personality and new found status she'll make a perfectly good living by sticking right where she is
Is there any reason why women can't be on the undercard of men's shows?

I agree that her novelty factor would wear off, and if I were her, although I despise this kind of thing, I would strike whilst the iron is hot and cash in on as many marketing/commercial deals as possible. She'll never make big money in the ring, so whilst your profile and stock is high, make hay while the sun shines.
She'll make the same money from endorsements etc by staying amateur as she will by beating up Latvian novices on under cards at the York Hall.

There's nothing for her to gain by turning pro and everything to lose
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Amir Khan thinks they can make millions. :TU:
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Millions. Heh, good one Amir, what a bright spark you are.

Could the average sports fan name ONE pro woman boxer? Could the average boxing fan even do it? Off the top of my head, I can maybe think of three active ones?
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Unfortunately i don't think there is any benefit for the ladies turning pro. As much as I enjoyed the Amateurs at the Olympics, I just don't think that men want to watch a woman trying to knock another woman out. Men like feminine ladies, predominantly. It's just never going to bd a huge draw, a bit like women's football. Stick to getting a nice salary and commercial deals I say.
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I know that there's barely any market for womens pro boxing, and for most women the pay is terrible. The only exception is Katie Taylor, given her talent, her following, and the fact that shes very marketable, she could make millions in pro boxing. boxers like her would be a great boost to the popularity of the women's pro game actually.
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Sportofkings wrote:I know that there's barely any market for womens pro boxing, and for most women the pay is terrible. The only exception is Katie Taylor, given her talent, her following, and the fact that shes very marketable, she could make millions in pro boxing. boxers like her would be a great boost to the popularity of the women's pro game actually.
Who would she fight though?

Katie is apparently signing for Arsenal ladies
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RJP wrote:
Sportofkings wrote:I know that there's barely any market for womens pro boxing, and for most women the pay is terrible. The only exception is Katie Taylor, given her talent, her following, and the fact that shes very marketable, she could make millions in pro boxing. boxers like her would be a great boost to the popularity of the women's pro game actually.
Who would she fight though?

Katie is apparently signing for Arsenal ladies
That's just a rumour about arsenal, Katie has stated herself that she wants to continue to box.

I think she could be moved very fast and fight for a world title within a few fights.
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that says it all, fight for a world title in only a few fights??? the standard is shocking, stay amatuer,take the funding and other deals and perks, no way wud she make millions as a pro
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