Should we remove Crease?

[sockdolager]

I for one am pleased with the ranking system...as long as Joe continues to pile up the points! lol 8)

[BoxBuzz]

Sock, sorry that Frazier Knocked out Louis, my plan was for Louis to add crediblity to his Lonsdale standing by way of a victory over my inconsistent former Lonsdale belt holder, But Joe took it too seriously and ended up pummeling Louis into the dust, in a quite uncivilized fashion.

Something that a lot of people don't know is that it was actually Crease that made me do it.

[sockdolager]

Sock, sorry that Frazier Knocked out Louis, my plan was for Louis to add crediblity to his Lonsdale standing by way of a victory over my inconsistent former Lonsdale belt holder, But Joe took it too seriously and ended up pummeling Louis into the dust, in a quite uncivilized fashion.

Something that a lot of people don't know is that it was actually Crease that made me do it.

Someone (me) forgot to let Louis know this was not an "exhibition". The fault falls squarely on my shoulders.

Hopefully Joe gets to revenge this loss like he did to Max all those years ago.

[BoxBuzz]

Well you can have a rematch, but Frazier would just knock him out again.

And of course, your man would be stripped of both of his belts. Likely causing Louis's pants to fall down.

[sockdolager]

Pants? Louis prefers to walk around in the buff so he's not too concerned with that.

We will look into a rematch in time, right now our focus is on getting a match with Leonard or Duran.

[DMA1987]

Stop crying like a baby.

All of the OS forum think I'm queer thanks to my shit boxers. Go get yourself some real problems, Crease is a tit, but I wouldn't let him ruin my day.

This is my word, and as such is absolute.

[p4p1]

I have voted to kick him out in the past but now I think he really does put in a lot of effort and seems to help buzz heaps so i think it all good

I do think the rankings system needs to be looked at though something I thought may work if we dont use TB rankings is, if you win you get the amount of points that fighter has in his rating, if you lose you get half then say +1 or 2 for a ko/tko - 1 or 2 for a ko/tko and only have the only have the points from say the last 5 - 10 fights. So losing to say a Joe Louis or Benny Leonard by decision would give you better points than beating a bum thus hopefully also stopping the ducking as well

just my 2c

[p4p1]

Stop crying like a baby.

All of the OS forum think I'm queer thanks to my shit boxers. Go get yourself some real problems, Crease is a tit, but I wouldn't let him ruin my day.

This is my word, and as such is absolute.

it would of worked better as... This is my word, and as such is beyond contestation.

yes i just watched a knights tale not long ago

[DMA1987]

Stop crying like a baby.

All of the OS forum think I'm queer thanks to my shit boxers. Go get yourself some real problems, Crease is a tit, but I wouldn't let him ruin my day.

This is my word, and as such is absolute.

it would of worked better as... This is my word, and as such is beyond contestation.

yes i just watched a knights tale not long ago

God damn, I knew it wasn't quite right. It was the knights tale version I was going for.

Well played sir.

[p4p1]

Stop crying like a baby.

All of the OS forum think I'm queer thanks to my shit boxers. Go get yourself some real problems, Crease is a tit, but I wouldn't let him ruin my day.

This is my word, and as such is absolute.

it would of worked better as... This is my word, and as such is beyond contestation.

yes i just watched a knights tale not long ago

God damn, I knew it wasn't quite right. It was the knights tale version I was going for.

Well played sir.

all good if i hadn't have watched it lately i would of thought that's what it was

[kevo]

Should we remove Crease? No. He can be over eager at times, but if it weren't for him and 'Buzz, there'd be no Sim.

Does the current ranking system need an overhaul? Yes. It isn't working out, and seems to be the root of all the consternation.

[JDC]

This is where I stand:

The sanctioning body rankings have no system. I hit the roof about it earlier in the season and said something along the lines of... ''so your just going to make them up as you go along.'' Crease assured us all that he had a system which I couldn't make heads or tails of, but I left it alone and apologised in the thread and via a PM.

However, the ranking do seem to not be taking into account true form (in some cases). I feel Detroit has a right to be aggravated at the rankings of both his fighters. I think Sanchez should have been ranked 2 weeks ago when he beat Archie Moore for the IBO. I think Joe Gans, Wilfredo Gomez and Marvin Hagler should have earned a ranking, too. I may have overlooked a fighter or two, who knows? - but maybe that's the point. No way is Kid Chocolate more worthy than those mentioned.

What's the solution to this?

Maybe Buzz and Crease get two sanctioning bodies each?

I don't know. But, i'd agree that something has to change. A MANAGER shouldn't be soley deciding these rankings on his own, which no system in place.

I'll give Crease the opportunity to respond. Hopefully we can reach a consensus.

[p4p1]

I was under the understanding that only the commision ratings were changed i thought the sanctioning body's were still the TB onces maybe im well wrong

[BoxBuzz]

So...what we are saying here is that the ratings the Sim is currently producing is pretty much the way all the ABC belts operate?

This my friends, is the reality of the sim.

[Deadendgeneration]

I have voted to kick him out in the past but now I think he really does put in a lot of effort and seems to help buzz heaps so i think it all good

I do think the rankings system needs to be looked at though something I thought may work if we dont use TB rankings is, if you win you get the amount of points that fighter has in his rating, if you lose you get half then say +1 or 2 for a ko/tko - 1 or 2 for a ko/tko and only have the only have the points from say the last 5 - 10 fights. So losing to say a Joe Louis or Benny Leonard by decision would give you better points than beating a bum thus hopefully also stopping the ducking as well

just my 2c

Sounds promising, deffo something that can be looked into. The rankings aren't working though. Leonard has by far the best record in the sim but is miles behind in second. I understand that Louis took the lead with his 14/15 point week. I don't agree that fighting a unification fight should double or triple the points on offer, but at least I can understand the logic. But then Louis gets another such week for losing a fight, by KO, early. That just doesn't make any sense.

[Crease]

Well, here is my defence:

Given the recent corruption amongst the rankings, I feel it is time that we remove Crease from Vice Commissioner or Secretary, or whatever the fvck it is, and possibly kick him out of the Sim completely.

I would happily resign my position of Joint Commissioner if that is what the Sim-Public wants. I volunteered to assist in the administration of the Sim and since then my duties have expanded and extended. I probably put more time into the Sim that anyone on here (apart from TF).

In my mind, I have achieved what I set out to do - help guide the Sim through a time of turmoil, crisis and stagnation... And I give BoxBuzz equal credit for helping me achieve that. I would also note at this point that it was because of mine and Buzz's innovative thinking that The Super Six competition was able to be competed... And I would also remind you that you said that last season was The BEST we've ever had, Mr Detroit.

Surely retaining belts because they are no on the line should not gain a fighter points. Louis got 12 points for losing a fight, Leonard himself picked up 4.

I can assure you that was a BIG mistake on my part... Honestly, I didn't even recognise that Louis LOST last week. This error will be corrected immediately.

Duran defended against his #1 contender then lost a unification for the biggest fight so far. He got 1 lousy point for the 2 weeks combined

Yes, well it's 1 point for a draw. And 0 points for a loss.... So that would be one point, wouldn't it? Or do you have trouble counting?

Some of the scoring recently has to come under question.

The recent points boost of Joe Louis (14 pts) has been ridiculed recently... I am just following the established points system, I am open to suggestions what to do in a case like thisas I said before in (http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 8&start=25):

I can understand why you are against that, seeing as Louis usurped your fighter's (Benny Leonard) position at the top of the tree. But what would you suggest?
Howabout no more than 10 points for a unifying win?

And after all this was a big money fight, so in the name of consistency it would be a big point fight.


Please get back to me on this and any ideas you may have for a rankings structure.
And I'll leave you with this thought: It's easy to criticise, it's hard to organise.

And NO ONE responded... They complain about the points system when it doesn't suit them, yet they don't offer any ideas on a way forward.

Crease has repeatedly abused his position of power over the rankings

Whta do you base that allegation on? If you think I am being corrupt I nivite you to count up Marciano and Chocolate's points totals with their records... And they will be kosher.

[Crease]

The sanctioning body rankings have no system. I hit the roof about it earlier in the season and said something along the lines of... ''so your just going to make them up as you go along.'' Crease assured us all that he had a system which I couldn't make heads or tails of, but I left it alone and apologised in the thread and via a PM.

The title rankings use the Positional System, in other words, if you win you go up - if you lose you go down. They do not use points like the Official standings.

[Crease]

But then Louis gets another such week for losing a fight, by KO, early. That just doesn't make any sense.

Yeah you're right. I inadvertedly made a mistake. I will rectify it.

[p4p1]

I have voted to kick him out in the past but now I think he really does put in a lot of effort and seems to help buzz heaps so i think it all good

I do think the rankings system needs to be looked at though something I thought may work if we dont use TB rankings is, if you win you get the amount of points that fighter has in his rating, if you lose you get half then say +1 or 2 for a ko/tko - 1 or 2 for a ko/tko and only have the only have the points from say the last 5 - 10 fights. So losing to say a Joe Louis or Benny Leonard by decision would give you better points than beating a bum thus hopefully also stopping the ducking as well

just my 2c

Crease what do you think about this idea of a rankings system this way who you fight would matter much more than it does now when no titles are involved also by only keeping on the last 5 - 10 weeks it would be much more current (maybe a 7 weeks system) so you cant have a great start to the season and still ride it to be top 10 ranked to the middle of the season or end in extreme cases

[Deadendgeneration]

But then Louis gets another such week for losing a fight, by KO, early. That just doesn't make any sense.

Yeah you're right. I inadvertedly made a mistake. I will rectify it.

Good work. BTB, I'll argue from time to time but you and Buzz do a good job on here. I just like to kick up a fuss when it doesn't suit my fighter. For the record though, I do think the point tally should be changed for multiple title fights, I don't think a fighter should get the max points for all the belts that are on offer. This despite the fact that my fighter could benefit from this, this week and thereafter. But obviously the points system this season isn't so simple .

[Crease]

Crease what do you think about this idea of a rankings system this way

Well it's definitely an idea, and I appreciate you taking the time to do it.

if you win you get the amount of points that fighter has in his rating, if you lose you get half then say +1 or 2 for a ko/tko - 1 or 2 for a ko/tko and only have the only have the points from say the last 5 - 10 fights.

Just to clarify, are you talking about the fighters Title Bout ratings? For example, Sugar Ray Robinson is rated as a 15, and as such - you get 15 points for defeating him. And working with that example, you still receive 7.5 pts for losing to him.

It's definitely an idea, lets see what the Simpublic think of it.

[NazNaci1]

Point system needs to be looked at, for sure.

The whole CPU wins garning as much as a Player controlled fighters has to be wrong. As for all the other shit, points, quadrupled or whatever for defenidng belts, that, also needs to be addressed. Leonard, so far, is by far, the most successful and yet lies,some way off in 2nd position. I am happy to contribute some opinions, as others have, if we want to revamp this aspect.

[Crease]

As for all the other shit, points, quadrupled or whatever for defenidng belts, that, also needs to be addressed.

That only happens in unification fights... And I am sure we can all recognise that those BIG fights should have more points for the victor.

Leonard, so far, is by far, the most successful and yet lies,some way off in 2nd position. I am happy to contribute some opinions, as others have, if we want to revamp this aspect.

He's not. That was an admin error on my part. Benny is back on top.

[Crease]

Here's what I think of Detroit and the treatment he will need for all of his shitty protests:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZPECFQ4NhE

[Crease]

This is a joke, now he's talking about being able to ban people?

Either Crease is gone or this is my last season.

Being disrespectful to a Commish is not a wise idea... I have given you every chance to talk to me about your issues instead of rabble-rousing and attempting to fight me.



This sim will not be held ransom by you Mr Detroit... Don't ever exhaggerate your importance... Your just a Manager, like everyone else.