Sam Soliman vs Giovanni Lorenzo in IBF final Elimantor

[Hounddawg]

Sam Soliman is making his last dash at the middleweight championship when he takes on number 6 rated in the IBF and world rated Giovanni Lorenzo of the Dominican republic in Melbourne August 24.

He has now had to endure 3 eliminators to get to fellow countryman Daniel Geale with Albert, Wood and now Lorenzo, and my eye's if he wins deserves that shot.

Sam has always been on the cusp of winning a world title, but somehow org's don't seem to let him fight for the title.
If he beats Lorenzo i feel a shot is worthy.

Thoughts?

[Ipswich Express]

Best of luck to Sam. The Wood fight was never an eliminator though.

[N2 Shape]

Good luck to Sam, never quite cut it at the next level but a genuine contender

[Brute]

Sam has won elimination fights before only to have more obstacles put in front of him.

[amwsnw]

Sam Soliman is making his last dash at the middleweight championship when he takes on number 6 rated in the IBF and world rated Giovanni Lorenzo of the Dominican republic in Melbourne August 24.

He has now had to endure 3 eliminators to get to fellow countryman Daniel Geale with Albert, Wood and now Lorenzo, and my eye's if he wins deserves that shot.

Sam has always been on the cusp of winning a world title, but somehow org's don't seem to let him fight for the title.
If he beats Lorenzo i feel a shot is worthy.

Thoughts?

Sam deserved a shot at Geale after he beat Albert in what was supposed to be an eliminator. Good luck Sammy. you deserve all your success and at Middleweight he is a handful for anybody....no chance of FNF having this ??

[Hounddawg]

Sam Soliman is making his last dash at the middleweight championship when he takes on number 6 rated in the IBF and world rated Giovanni Lorenzo of the Dominican republic in Melbourne August 24.

He has now had to endure 3 eliminators to get to fellow countryman Daniel Geale with Albert, Wood and now Lorenzo, and my eye's if he wins deserves that shot.

Sam has always been on the cusp of winning a world title, but somehow org's don't seem to let him fight for the title.
If he beats Lorenzo i feel a shot is worthy.

Thoughts?

....no chance of FNF having this ??

This is what i don't get, why set dates or every three to four weeks for Fox cards, if you want the sport to have a go, you need to put the best cards on, no matter whether it's back to back or 6 weeks apart but the best cards need to be shown always. Too often i see better cards being brushed for scheduled slots by fox, and it leaves the sport without a new bunch of fans.

The best cards need to be shown, whether 2 days apart or 2 years, so fox pull your head in and give the fans and possible fans a chance to enjoy this great sport, all the ingrediants are there at the moment.

[convict]

Maybe they can show the fight via online streaming as they did for de Mori's fight in Gladstone QLD. That Aussiebox guy (forgot his name) might know if it will be streamed?.

And whats the go with FOX cards? Ive seen so many fighters selling tickets on facebook etc I wonder who's getting the TV money - So much scum involved with boxing at the moment, kinda wonder why FOX even bothers.

[Brute]

Sam Soliman is making his last dash at the middleweight championship when he takes on number 6 rated in the IBF and world rated Giovanni Lorenzo of the Dominican republic in Melbourne August 24.

He has now had to endure 3 eliminators to get to fellow countryman Daniel Geale with Albert, Wood and now Lorenzo, and my eye's if he wins deserves that shot.

Sam has always been on the cusp of winning a world title, but somehow org's don't seem to let him fight for the title.
If he beats Lorenzo i feel a shot is worthy.

Thoughts?

Sam deserved a shot at Geale after he beat Albert in what was supposed to be an eliminator. Good luck Sammy. you deserve all your success and at Middleweight he is a handful for anybody....no chance of FNF having this ??

Albert was an elimination for no 2 contender, this is for no 1 contender.

[bigred83]

Sam Soliman is making his last dash at the middleweight championship when he takes on number 6 rated in the IBF and world rated Giovanni Lorenzo of the Dominican republic in Melbourne August 24.

He has now had to endure 3 eliminators to get to fellow countryman Daniel Geale with Albert, Wood and now Lorenzo, and my eye's if he wins deserves that shot.

Sam has always been on the cusp of winning a world title, but somehow org's don't seem to let him fight for the title.
If he beats Lorenzo i feel a shot is worthy.

Thoughts?

....no chance of FNF having this ??

This is what i don't get, why set dates or every three to four weeks for Fox cards, if you want the sport to have a go, you need to put the best cards on, no matter whether it's back to back or 6 weeks apart but the best cards need to be shown always. Too often i see better cards being brushed for scheduled slots by fox, and it leaves the sport without a new bunch of fans.

The best cards need to be shown, whether 2 days apart or 2 years, so fox pull your head in and give the fans and possible fans a chance to enjoy this great sport, all the ingrediants are there at the moment.

spot on, although i would rather not wait two years though. maybe set a max time limit of not putting a card on,eg one month max withough some sort of televised card. as long as the matchups are good then does it really matter which names are or arent fighting? providing they dont put a noname card on in favour of a better one of course. but there is way too much quality matchups going on at the moment to just stick to one card per month, and whoever is on that date gets the run.

[D J Pawsey]

Maybe they can show the fight via online streaming as they did for de Mori's fight in Gladstone QLD. That Aussiebox guy (forgot his name) might know if it will be streamed?.

And whats the go with FOX cards? Ive seen so many fighters selling tickets on facebook etc I wonder who's getting the TV money - So much scum involved with boxing at the moment, kinda wonder why FOX even bothers.

On fox show they pay around 17k for the rights.
The promoter has to cover all costs fighters purses, venue hire, insurance, ring hire, card girls, lighting, Mc, Dj etc to do a good quality 5 fight card god fox you would needto spend upwards of $45k. So if the promoter doesn't get the bums on seats he don't make any money. Usually in oz he Relies on the fighter to help him sell the tickets which personally I don't agree with but unfortunately that's how it is. I personally think fox should pay about 40k for the rights. Just my opinion.

[Brute]

Sounds fair.

[convict]

Maybe they can show the fight via online streaming as they did for de Mori's fight in Gladstone QLD. That Aussiebox guy (forgot his name) might know if it will be streamed?.

And whats the go with FOX cards? Ive seen so many fighters selling tickets on facebook etc I wonder who's getting the TV money - So much scum involved with boxing at the moment, kinda wonder why FOX even bothers.

On fox show they pay around 17k for the rights.
The promoter has to cover all costs fighters purses, venue hire, insurance, ring hire, card girls, lighting, Mc, Dj etc to do a good quality 5 fight card god fox you would needto spend upwards of $45k. So if the promoter doesn't get the bums on seats he don't make any money. Usually in oz he Relies on the fighter to help him sell the tickets which personally I don't agree with but unfortunately that's how it is. I personally think fox should pay about 40k for the rights. Just my opinion.

Thxs for the info.

[IntentionalButt]

So not televised at all?

[Brute]

Fox Australia are strange like that. One live boxing program a month only, any amount of MMA and wrestling.

[Brute]

Well done, Sam!

[D J Pawsey]

Good on ya Sam. Geale v Soliman moved one step closer.

[convict]

Well done Sammy!!.

[kylamy]

Hey Guys,

I can bring some great news regarding this event held at the Arena in Geelong.

Firstly, I went down and called the fight for Paris productions, it will be shown on Aurora, Channel 183, i believe sometime in the very near future, what date? i just cannot tell you, but it was a cracker of a show, the event was almost a sell out.

I am told the venue takes 2200, and i would dare to say, it was almost full, most likey i could safely and accurately say between 1500 and 1800??

It was really well attended with many notables, including the Mayor of Geelong, who along with his council, embraced the event, We had a dinner with the American guests, all the officials, the Mayor, the Promoters and a couple of selected guests, they really did a terrific job in promoting the event.

The undercard was well put together as well, great to see some old hands there as well.

Kane McKay made a comeback after 2 years out, and he looked great, even at 89.3kg, he's lost none of his rugged and never die attitude, this was his first fight, since the death of former and orignial trainer, and all round good guy Mick Murray last year, Mick a Geelong stalwart, was the trainer of his Son Kevin Murray, Kane was cornered and trained now by Tony Salta, another local.

His fight with a very game and determined Peter Brennan, belied their records, and was a great little scrap, with Kane back in the winner's circle, via a Unanimous decision over 4 rounds

Angelo Hyder cornered a really good little 58kg prospect named Azat Hovhannisyan, a 24 year old now residing in Concord Sydney, he was 2-1, 2 ko's coming into this fight.

I think it's announced as "Hov an iss iyan' he's from Armenia via the USA, and is looked after by Vic Darchinyan.

Azat, stopped debutant Michael Wood, who also looks like a good little fighter, who had a good amateur career, sadly, it was not a good night at the office for Michael, but he will bounce back and be a welcome addition to the Featherweight ranks in Australia, he weighed 57.90, but has Super Bantam/Feather written all over him.

So it will be good to watch his progress, But make sure you watch the body shot of Azat, that virtually ended the fight, it would have dropped an elephant, also good refereeing by Jeff Eddy in protecting Michael.

Local Melbourne prospect Terry Tzouramanis, was surprisingly beaten over 8 by UK born, Irish living and now Aussie based Andrew Wallace, in a close hard tough see-sawing fight.

34 year old Wallace is a good fighter with a record of 7 wins, 1 draw, 4 ko's. It's strange tho, Andrew debuted back in May 2005, had 4 fights til 2006, then no-one saw anything of him, until he surfaced in here in Oz earlier this year.

Since moving down here, which no doubt agrees with him, he's racked up, 3 wins and a draw, He drew with Rey Anton Olarte, He's a good fighter this kid, and will also be good for the Super Lightweight division here in Australia.

Terry Tzouramanis is also impressive, It was my first look at him in the flesh, they went at it toe to toe for 8 rounds, and both never gave up, the fight could have been fought in a phone booth, a well matched fight and a terrific spectacle.

Congratulation to "the king" Sammy Soliman, he fought like a man possessed and really did a number of the well credentialed Giovanni Lorenzo, who, had gone the distance with both Felix Sturm, Sebastian Sylvester and Hassan N'Jikam, all in title goes, he's never been off his feet and is an impressive looking fighter with an amateur mark of 231 fights for just 15 losses, he represented his Native Dominican Republic at the Sydney 2000 games, losing in the 2nd round.

Giovanni looked really confident, he looked like he'd done the work, and can no doubt bang, I truly felt that Sam was going to be up against it, with this young gun, who resides in New York now, i thought it was a true 50/50 fight, but then again, maybe i forgot, just how good and evasive "the Pride of Melbourne" can really be, it was a masterful display, he literally took Giovanni to school, and to put the icing on the cake, had him down with a tremendous 7-8 punch barrage in the final round.

I saw somewhere, it was reported there were two knockdowns in the last round, this was not the case, It was disappointing to see, after the final bell rang, Sam put a consoling hand on Giovanni, only to be pushed away, and he showed some real bad sportsmanship, only to be pulled up by his trainers, brother's Marc and Ray Farrait, who are two of the nicest guys you would ever want to meet.

Sam after a slow and cautious start, just bamboozled and frustrated Lorenzo who could not get near him at all. He really made a statement tonight, I believe it was one of Sam's best performances, and he really looked a worthy contender, for Daniel Geale's IBF World title.

Sam was on top for most of the fight, I thought he lost just two rounds, However, Giovanni did not let up his attack, but he was hitting used air most of the night, I beleive the scoring was accurate and no one could complain, as Soliman booked himself in one corner, and is now in the #1 position, he will fight the winner of Sturm vs. Geale by December 7, 2012.

So it will be either Gealey or Sturm, and of course, i am going with Geale to beat Sturm in an upset, we will then see an all Australian IBF World title fight, between these two proud Aussie fighter's.

So congratulations to Sam Soliman, David Stanley and Michael Bates, who make up the team of SBS Promotions, they did such a terrific job in their very first promotion, and like a lot of you guys, I beleive this event was well worthy of Main Event coverage, and/or a FNF night, but the politics and the system, just does not allow these style of events to come between the local domestic product, which is a real shame and there is no doubt something than can be done to give the fans an opportunity to witness such a terrific event, because quite frankly, your getting dudded by missing out.

I also think we all need to get behind the concept on Aurora channel 183, where their showing these events, and not just once, but numerous times over and over, they are a real alternative to Fox, without all the politics that often sees the best fights not being shown.

[Brute]

Thanks for that.

[Like a Boss]

Top report. Great win for Sam and good to hear the crowd was big as well.

[Sweet P]

Good on Sam. He is now the mandatory for the IBF. Hopefully he gets a shot at Geale after Geale beats Sturm, it will be interesting though as Geale will have 2 titles and may want a big money fight against Martinez,Chavez etc. We will have to wait and see i suppose.

[thunderfromdownunder]

Good for Sam.
I thought he was do e after the second Mundine fight, but he has recovered well. Super middleweight was never good for him. Hopefully now he can finally get his shot at his best weight

[kylamy]

Good for Sam.
I thought he was do e after the second Mundine fight, but he has recovered well. Super middleweight was never good for him. Hopefully now he can finally get his shot at his best weight

Thunder, I agree with you totally.

Sammy, after each fight with Choc at Super Middle, has virtually gone away and re-invented himself, he is like Dulux, "Just keeps on keeping on"

After their first fight, a hotly disputed SD loss in Sept 2001, he went on to string together 19 wins on the trot, and against some very good opponents, not just here in Australia, but also in the UK, Europe, USA and Japan, then he lost to Choc again in March 2007 and again in May 2008, in between those two fights he only had 3 fights for 2 wins and 1 loss to Sakio in LA, but after the last loss to Choc in May 2008, he has strung together another 6 wins.

His performance last Friday night against a very good opponent, was nothing short of amazing for a 38 year old giving away 7 years in age to his younger opponent, 13 centimetres in reach and 9 centimetres in height, he really turned it on, his skill level and fitness was as good as ive ever seen, he simply bamboozled and frustrated Giovanni Lorenzo.

Now whether those skills and fitness are enough to negate the tremendous skills of Daniel Geale, i just don't know, but he certainly made a statement and has earned a shot after two elimination bouts to get into the #1 mandatory position, so good luck to him.

I am thinking that Daniel Geale can defeat Felix Sturm this weekend, his steely determination and tremendous skills and fitness will all be asked some questions by Sturm, but i genuinely believe that Dan can get the win, which will see an all Aussie World title gig here in either Tassie or Melbourne, but either way, Australian fight fans will and should be the big winners.

That's the perfect script, whether all goes to the script is another thing, lets hope anyway.

[convict]

Hey Guys,

I can bring some great news regarding this event held at the Arena in Geelong.

Firstly, I went down and called the fight for Paris productions, it will be shown on Aurora, Channel 183, i believe sometime in the very near future, what date? i just cannot tell you, but it was a cracker of a show, the event was almost a sell out.

I am told the venue takes 2200, and i would dare to say, it was almost full, most likey i could safely and accurately say between 1500 and 1800??

It was really well attended with many notables, including the Mayor of Geelong, who along with his council, embraced the event, We had a dinner with the American guests, all the officials, the Mayor, the Promoters and a couple of selected guests, they really did a terrific job in promoting the event.

The undercard was well put together as well, great to see some old hands there as well.

Kane McKay made a comeback after 2 years out, and he looked great, even at 89.3kg, he's lost none of his rugged and never die attitude, this was his first fight, since the death of former and orignial trainer, and all round good guy Mick Murray last year, Mick a Geelong stalwart, was the trainer of his Son Kevin Murray, Kane was cornered and trained now by Tony Salta, another local.

His fight with a very game and determined Peter Brennan, belied their records, and was a great little scrap, with Kane back in the winner's circle, via a Unanimous decision over 4 rounds

Angelo Hyder cornered a really good little 58kg prospect named Azat Hovhannisyan, a 24 year old now residing in Concord Sydney, he was 2-1, 2 ko's coming into this fight.

I think it's announced as "Hov an iss iyan' he's from Armenia via the USA, and is looked after by Vic Darchinyan.

Azat, stopped debutant Michael Wood, who also looks like a good little fighter, who had a good amateur career, sadly, it was not a good night at the office for Michael, but he will bounce back and be a welcome addition to the Featherweight ranks in Australia, he weighed 57.90, but has Super Bantam/Feather written all over him.

So it will be good to watch his progress, But make sure you watch the body shot of Azat, that virtually ended the fight, it would have dropped an elephant, also good refereeing by Jeff Eddy in protecting Michael.

Local Melbourne prospect Terry Tzouramanis, was surprisingly beaten over 8 by UK born, Irish living and now Aussie based Andrew Wallace, in a close hard tough see-sawing fight.

34 year old Wallace is a good fighter with a record of 7 wins, 1 draw, 4 ko's. It's strange tho, Andrew debuted back in May 2005, had 4 fights til 2006, then no-one saw anything of him, until he surfaced in here in Oz earlier this year.

Since moving down here, which no doubt agrees with him, he's racked up, 3 wins and a draw, He drew with Rey Anton Olarte, He's a good fighter this kid, and will also be good for the Super Lightweight division here in Australia.

Terry Tzouramanis is also impressive, It was my first look at him in the flesh, they went at it toe to toe for 8 rounds, and both never gave up, the fight could have been fought in a phone booth, a well matched fight and a terrific spectacle.

Congratulation to "the king" Sammy Soliman, he fought like a man possessed and really did a number of the well credentialed Giovanni Lorenzo, who, had gone the distance with both Felix Sturm, Sebastian Sylvester and Hassan N'Jikam, all in title goes, he's never been off his feet and is an impressive looking fighter with an amateur mark of 231 fights for just 15 losses, he represented his Native Dominican Republic at the Sydney 2000 games, losing in the 2nd round.

Giovanni looked really confident, he looked like he'd done the work, and can no doubt bang, I truly felt that Sam was going to be up against it, with this young gun, who resides in New York now, i thought it was a true 50/50 fight, but then again, maybe i forgot, just how good and evasive "the Pride of Melbourne" can really be, it was a masterful display, he literally took Giovanni to school, and to put the icing on the cake, had him down with a tremendous 7-8 punch barrage in the final round.

I saw somewhere, it was reported there were two knockdowns in the last round, this was not the case, It was disappointing to see, after the final bell rang, Sam put a consoling hand on Giovanni, only to be pushed away, and he showed some real bad sportsmanship, only to be pulled up by his trainers, brother's Marc and Ray Farrait, who are two of the nicest guys you would ever want to meet.

Sam after a slow and cautious start, just bamboozled and frustrated Lorenzo who could not get near him at all. He really made a statement tonight, I believe it was one of Sam's best performances, and he really looked a worthy contender, for Daniel Geale's IBF World title.

Sam was on top for most of the fight, I thought he lost just two rounds, However, Giovanni did not let up his attack, but he was hitting used air most of the night, I beleive the scoring was accurate and no one could complain, as Soliman booked himself in one corner, and is now in the #1 position, he will fight the winner of Sturm vs. Geale by December 7, 2012.

So it will be either Gealey or Sturm, and of course, i am going with Geale to beat Sturm in an upset, we will then see an all Australian IBF World title fight, between these two proud Aussie fighter's.

So congratulations to Sam Soliman, David Stanley and Michael Bates, who make up the team of SBS Promotions, they did such a terrific job in their very first promotion, and like a lot of you guys, I beleive this event was well worthy of Main Event coverage, and/or a FNF night, but the politics and the system, just does not allow these style of events to come between the local domestic product, which is a real shame and there is no doubt something than can be done to give the fans an opportunity to witness such a terrific event, because quite frankly, your getting dudded by missing out.

I also think we all need to get behind the concept on Aurora channel 183, where their showing these events, and not just once, but numerous times over and over, they are a real alternative to Fox, without all the politics that often sees the best fights not being shown.

Why not show the fights Via live PPV internet feed/Stream?. It does work and you get more world wide coverage - Also it means we can watch it almost anywhere. So TV politic's is no real excuse any more with the internet there.

[kylamy]

Why not show the fights Via live PPV internet feed/Stream?. It does work and you get more world wide coverage - Also it means we can watch it almost anywhere.

So TV politic's is no real excuse any more with the internet there.


Look i really cannot answer that one, but it does sound sensible, maybe not enough is known about it as yet, I have never watched a stream, im a dumbo when it comes to computer's etc though.

The Aurora channel are trying to shows as much combat sports as they can, and there is always a fight of some description on almost any night.

Paris production's, a Melbourne based production company are doing a very good job in Victoria and even travelling to Perth for some Muay Thai events etc, they're showing all their product on Aurora and it is an real alternative to Fox sports, and a lot cheaper,

There is a fair amount of politics with Fox, and the selection of their shows, and just who get's them each month as well, So perhaps this live video streaming is the way to go, if you can work a computer etc.

I would have a look at it, but i have also heard the quality sometimes can be a little average, but like everything, perhaps it's just early days and this will improve.