British Top 30 P4P September 2012

[Horse]

1. (1.) Carl Froch
2. (2.) David Haye
3. (3.) Amir Khan
4. (4.) Ricky Burns
5. (5.) Nathan Cleverly
6. (6.) Ola Afolabi
7. (7.) Kell Brook
8. (8.) Brian Magee (Irish)
9. (9.) Jamie McDonnell
10. (10.) Matthew Macklin

11. (11.) George Groves
12. (12.) Gavin Rees
13. (13.) Tyson Fury
14. (14.) Andy Lee (Irish)
15. (15.) Kevin Mitchell
16. (16.) Rendall Munroe
17. (17.) Darren Barker
18. (18.) Martin Murray
19. (19.) Lee Selby
20. (20.) Lee Haskins

21. (21.) James DeGale
22. (22.) Tony Bellew
23. (23.) Dereck Chisora
24. (24.) Ryan Rhodes
25. (25.) David Price
26. (26.) Derry Mathews
27. (27.) Gary Buckland
28. (28.) Kerry Hope
29. (29.) Paul McCloskey (Irish)
30. (30.) Matthew Hatton

[Horse]

Any comments or criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

[jessi]

Hasn't really changed !
Question, where will frampton, and bellew move to if they win there up and coming fights against creditable opponents ?
And what happens if Mitchell beats burns ?

[Camcas]

Haskins is too low for my liking I'd have him higher, Martin Murray should be higher IMO he has a draw against Sturm which is better than those above him, also have Gavin Rees higher than he is at the moment only ever lost one fight and that was world title fight. Cleverly is also too high there is a question whether he should be top 10 IMO

[Horse]

Hasn't really changed !
Question, where will frampton, and bellew move to if they win there up and coming fights against creditable opponents ?
And what happens if Mitchell beats burns ?

Frampton will probably enter in the top 20 and Bellew will probably overtake Munroe.

I am not sure about Burns and Mitchell. Mitchell would probably move up to 4th or 5th and Burns would drop a couple of spots, but it all depends on how close the fight is.

[mickey1975]

Rees has already stopped Matthews and Mezachee this year, Mezachee in France. Gavin gets criminally underated by everyone it seems. One loss in a very long career and that in a World Title defence out of his own weight class. How have most of them above him got there? Certainly not on achievement.

[Horse]

Haskins is too low for my liking I'd have him higher,

Haskins could be higher. The low activity levels of most British fighters this year has messed the list up a bit. I might have to be more generous than usual when a fighter gets a good win to make up for that.

Martin Murray should be higher IMO he has a draw against Sturm which is better than those above him,

I can see your point, he probably should be a few places higher. I wouldn't have him in the top 10, because of his record's lack of depth, but if he was 4 or 5 places higher then his ranking would look more fair.

I think Murray is likely to be fighting for the vacant European title later this year, so I'll be able to move him up higher if he wins that.

also have Gavin Rees higher than he is at the moment only ever lost one fight and that was world title fight.

Rees has been on good form and has been looking good stopping Mezaache and Mathews, but neither Mezaache or Mathews are highly rated.

Cleverly is also too high there is a question whether he should be top 10 IMO

His wins against Murat and Bellew should be enough to secure him a top 10 place on almost everyone's list.

I think Cleverly deserves to be in 5th place at the moment. If he fights more opponents like Karpency then he will slip, but I don't think Afolabi, Brook, Magee, McDonnell, Macklin and the others currently have a stronger case than Cleverly to be in 5th position.

[Horse]

Rees has already stopped Matthews and Mezachee this year, Mezachee in France. Gavin gets criminally underated by everyone it seems. One loss in a very long career and that in a World Title defence out of his own weight class. How have most of them above him got there? Certainly not on achievement.

His WBA title reign ended 4 1/2 years ago. He hasn't been fighting high level opponents since then. He has been fighting a lot of good domestic level fighters. I think his current ranking is fair.

[mickey1975]

Rees has already stopped Matthews and Mezachee this year, Mezachee in France. Gavin gets criminally underated by everyone it seems. One loss in a very long career and that in a World Title defence out of his own weight class. How have most of them above him got there? Certainly not on achievement.

His WBA title reign ended 4 1/2 years ago. He hasn't been fighting high level opponents since then. He has been fighting a lot of good domestic level fighters. I think his current ranking is fair.

Yes, and he is unbeaten since, picking up various titles along the way! I dont see what any of them have done from 5 onwards. Even Clev has not beaten a World champ.

[Horse]

Yes, and he is unbeaten since, picking up various titles along the way! I dont see what any of them have done from 5 onwards. Even Clev has not beaten a World champ.

Cleverly has a win against the world level Murat within the last two years and Bellew is probably better than any of Rees's recent opponents as well.

Afolabi has a recent draw with Huck and he beat Maccarinelli 3 1/2 years ago. Brook has beaten Jones, Hatton & Jackiewicz who I think would all outrank all of Rees's recent opponents P4P.

Similar things could be said for the other fighters above Rees. They have all been fighting opponents of a higher caliber than Rees has recently.

[Camcas]

Haskins is too low for my liking I'd have him higher,

Haskins could be higher. The low activity levels of most British fighters this year has messed the list up a bit. I might have to be more generous than usual when a fighter gets a good win to make up for that.

Martin Murray should be higher IMO he has a draw against Sturm which is better than those above him,

I can see your point, he probably should be a few places higher. I wouldn't have him in the top 10, because of his record's lack of depth, but if he was 4 or 5 places higher then his ranking would look more fair.

I think Murray is likely to be fighting for the vacant European title later this year, so I'll be able to move him up higher if he wins that.

also have Gavin Rees higher than he is at the moment only ever lost one fight and that was world title fight.

Rees has been on good form and has been looking good stopping Mezaache and Mathews, but neither Mezaache or Mathews are highly rated.

Cleverly is also too high there is a question whether he should be top 10 IMO

His wins against Murat and Bellew should be enough to secure him a top 10 place on almost everyone's list.

I think Cleverly deserves to be in 5th place at the moment. If he fights more opponents like Karpency then he will slip, but I don't think Afolabi, Brook, Magee, McDonnell, Macklin and the others currently have a stronger case than Cleverly to be in 5th position.

Fair points on all of them but Cleverly hasn't beaten anyone of world level, Bellew may well get there but he is a British fighter at the moment and Murat is only at the level he is at because of robberies, seriously would have Cleverly around 10-11

[Horse]

Fair points on all of them but Cleverly hasn't beaten anyone of world level, Bellew may well get there but he is a British fighter at the moment and Murat is only at the level he is at because of robberies, seriously would have Cleverly around 10-11

I think that is harsh, but it is your list.