Why did Joey Archer quit?

john garfield · Post by **john garfield** » 27 Oct 2001, 11:35

Any idea why Joey Archer quit? He was a consummate--if not colorless--standup boxer, who seemed to have big-money matches ahead of him. Did he suffer an injury?

What became of him after he stopped fighting? I know his brother, Jimmy, a journeyman middleweight, amongst other things after his career, was a character actor and I ran into him taking tourists around Central Park in a horse-drawn carriage.

Tom · Post by **Tom** » 28 Oct 2001, 16:45

I'd heard he thought he was robbed in his last fight (the second
one with Emile Griffith). That's just what I heard though.

Tom · Post by **Tom** » 29 Oct 2001, 11:16

I have the first fight on tape... very tough fight to score, but
I think Griffith pulled it out in the late rounds... Archer
didn't look like he thought he won anyway.

Dane Clark · Post by **Dane Clark** » 29 Oct 2001, 17:34

Archer claimed he felt robbed in his two bouts with Griffin. If I recall correctly, Jimmy Archer made a comeback around 1969 or so. Does anyone know how he did? Also, Jimmy had a part in the remake of Farewell My Lovely which featured Jack O'Halloran in a supporting role.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 18 Feb 2006, 12:21

Bump...

I thought Joey was good and was surprised at his departure. Any Historians here have any updates or additional info? He Beats Dick Tiger, Sugar Ray Robinson, Rubin Carter and really Emille Griffith in the first fight and splits a couple with Don Fullmer. I suppose those close decisions can take a lot out of you "psyche" wise.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=011396

surf-bat · Post by **surf-bat** » 18 Feb 2006, 15:35

Dane Clark wrote:Archer claimed he felt robbed in his two bouts with Griffin. If I recall correctly, Jimmy Archer made a comeback around 1969 or so. Does anyone know how he did? Also, Jimmy had a part in the remake of Farewell My Lovely which featured Jack O'Halloran in a supporting role.

Here's a piece of trivia for all you mafia-history buffs: boxer Jack O'Halloran is the son of the former High Execeutioner of Murder Inc. Albert Anastasia.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 18 Feb 2006, 15:54

Jack and Albert....

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/ ... /jack1.jpg http://www.wattographs.com/privatesigni ... lleran.jpg

http://mafiasite.8m.com/theboys%5Canastasia2.jpg http://content.answers.com/main/content ... stasia.gif

-KOKid- · Post by **-KOKid-** » 21 Feb 2006, 04:54

I believe Archer was pretty disgusted by the fact that he beat Rubin Carter, yet Carter recieved the titleshot vs. Giardello instead of him.
I assume that wouldn't have helped his motivation.

-KOKid-

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 21 Feb 2006, 08:10

Yeah the more I read the more it seems the "breaks" didn't go his way.
I'm wondering if there were some folks on the inside working against him somehow. I'm not big on conspiracies but it only takes one or two folks on the inside with a grudge to make life very difficult.

-KOKid- · Post by **-KOKid-** » 21 Feb 2006, 09:15

I don't think so. It was probably more to do with the fact that Archer wasn't a very exciting fighter and hardly ever KO'd his opponents.
Many of his fights were snoozers.

Joey Giardello himself said that he opted to give the titleshot to Carter because that was a better fight in terms of entertainment value, Carter coming off his upset KO1 of Emile Griffith.
More people were going to tune in and show up for Giardello vs. Carter than for Giardello vs. Archer and that meant more money for the champ.
As always, it all comes down to the money.

-KOKid-

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 04 Jun 2007, 07:09

Sounds like a reasonable conclusion. It's a shame that just winning does not get the outcomes it should. Good boxers almost HAVE to revert to trash talking or some kind of gimmick to compete with sluggers and boxer sluggers for their fair share of public enthusiasm.