Classic American West Coast Boxing

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kikibalt wrote:Is that you on the picture? can't make out if you are a guy or a Gal... :confused:
Don't worry about it--I get mistaken for a guy on many, many occasions. Going through the drive-thru is the worst: "Pull up, sir." "Here's your change, sir." The odd thing being, the accoutrements on the front of my body are certainly not small and how they get overlooked is beyond me. Heck, I was once even called an "it" by a Legion Auxiliary member when she couldn't figure out whether to refer to me as a male or female. (For the record, though, I have masculine traits but I do likes da men-folk :DD ) But, yea, that was back before Lalia Ali made her mark, and what women boxers existed were pretty much just the novelty act before lesser matches. Seeing them at the Olympics now makes me wish I was twenty years younger! Or at least halfway in shape. :roll:

So that is great, thanks for the info on the gym! The way it was described, it was like the "gym" was its own separate room. Glad to know that wasn't the case, as it clears up a few things--particularly in relation to the wrestlers who worked out there as well. Must've been a hell of a thing when the pit was filled in with concrete, in order to build the Brunswick lanes.
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Marzam, great stuff on the Legion. Do you know anything about the original Golden Boy Art Aragon?
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A bit. Aragon was the Legion Stadium's man, "their" boxer of choice, as it were. We've not yet launched in to the boxers name-by-name at this point, save for some preliminary research. Here are a few lines culled from the programs--there's lots more in there, of course, but my initial goal was to get information on the chain of events that occurred, charity work, efforts for WWII, the building itself, the Legion, etc., so I had to skim over may articles that went into elaborate descriptions of fights.

Feel free to add comments to these!

Friday, January 14, 1949 - Souvenir Program
A LITTLE LIGHT ON THE FUTURE by THE MATCHMAKER - An unexpected training mishap has taken your future favorite, Art Aragon, off tonight’s card.
THE LATIN TOUCH by “HAP” NAVARRO - A cut lip took him off tonight’s card.

Friday, March 25, 1949 - Souvenir Program
A LITTLE LIGHT ON THE FUTURE by THE MATCHMAKER - Some of our unscrupulous “boycotters” have been throwing such scares into some of the good fighters we had signed lately, that we have decided to withhold the name of Art Aragon’s opponent until just before the match.


Interestingly enough, Samuel Goldwyn Studios wanted to film the fight of August 26, 1949 (Art Aragon vs. Bolton Ford). It doesn't seem that ever happened, though.
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marzam wrote:A bit. Aragon was the Legion Stadium's man, "their" boxer of choice, as it were. We've not yet launched in to the boxers name-by-name at this point, save for some preliminary research. Here are a few lines culled from the programs--there's lots more in there, of course, but my initial goal was to get information on the chain of events that occurred, charity work, efforts for WWII, the building itself, the Legion, etc., so I had to skim over may articles that went into elaborate descriptions of fights.

Feel free to add comments to these!

Friday, January 14, 1949 - Souvenir Program
A LITTLE LIGHT ON THE FUTURE by THE MATCHMAKER - An unexpected training mishap has taken your future favorite, Art Aragon, off tonight’s card.
THE LATIN TOUCH by “HAP” NAVARRO - A cut lip took him off tonight’s card.

Friday, March 25, 1949 - Souvenir Program
A LITTLE LIGHT ON THE FUTURE by THE MATCHMAKER - Some of our unscrupulous “boycotters” have been throwing such scares into some of the good fighters we had signed lately, that we have decided to withhold the name of Art Aragon’s opponent until just before the match.


Interestingly enough, Samuel Goldwyn Studios wanted to film the fight of August 26, 1949 (Art Aragon vs. Bolton Ford). It doesn't seem that ever happened, though.
Marzam, thanks for the Info on Art Aragon, shame they never filmed the fight with Bolton Ford.
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A few more Aragon things for you, from the display case:

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And then, to REALLY turn back the clock:

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Marzam= :TU: :bow: :TU: :bow:
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Marzam, :TU: :TU:
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Paco Flores

Paco Flores v Vicente Medina
5-4-1973

Community Center, Tucson, Arizona

referee: Joe Vozdik 98-97 | judge: Joe Vozdik 97-96 | judge: Robert Ferrara 97-97

In 1973I was in Tucson Az. for Mando Muniz’s fight against Manny Gonzalez. With Jake Horn and Louie Jauregui and others we took some amateurs to fill out the card. Vicente Medina came in from Mexico by himself and he needed a corner, I was asked if I would be chief second for him, I of course said yes. Paco Flores was the promoter’s brother and Medina was just supposed to be a an “opponent” At the start of the fight Medina is fighting Flores all wrong, following him in a straight line, throwing one punch at a time. After a couple of rounds I told him to what he was doing wrong, told him he needed to cut the ring on Flores and to put punches together. Medina was a good listener, he did as he was told and he started to win the fight. Now Flores people started to worry because about the middle of the fight a guy who I later found out was from the Az. Boxing commission came to talk to me and asked me “who are you?” I responded “I am Frank Baltazar” “well Frank do you have a license to work corners?”, “yes” I replied, “can I see it?” he asked, I handed him my license “but this is a California license” “of course, I am from California” I said as I played the dummy, “after the fight come to the commission table and get an Az. License”, “okay I will” I replied.

As the fight continued I could see that Medina was pulling ahead, but he lost a split decision. But if you are fighting the promoter’s brother a split decision means you won.

The fight been over I go to the commission’s table. I was drag over the coals for working an Arizona fight without an Arizona license, again I played the dummy, told them that I thought my California license was good enough. No sir! I was told. “You have $100?” I was asked, I replied that I did “good, let me have it” the commish told me as he handed me a license and taking my money at the same time.
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The Good Son
The Life of Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini
By Mark Kriegel

By Randy De La O

Kudos to Mark Kriegel for his brutally honest telling of the life of Ray Mancini, former lightweight champion and one of the more popular and beloved fighters of the 1980's, arguably one of boxing's greatest era. Kudos to Ray Mancini as well, for his willingness to share his story, character flaws and all. Kriegel and Mancini do not sugar coat his life and Mancini, to his credit, makes no excuses. I saw every one of Mancini's nationally televised fights back in the day. I saw all the ups and downs. I'm familiar with his career as a fighter and with the type of fighter that he was. Mancini's style can only be described as “All Heart”, and it was his big heart that took him beyond his own physical abilities. Ray Mancini is what we like to call. an honest fighter It is this type of fighter to which I am almost always invariably drawn to.

It's no secret to anyone that has followed Ray Mancini's career, or boxing for that matter, that his story begins with his father; Lenny “Boom Boom” Mancini. It was the basis for his own motivation to fight and it was his belief that but for WWII and the injuries that his father incurred, he might have been a champion. Lenny's own story would make for one hell of a movie. It was Ray Mancini's soul driven quest to win a title for his father.

Kriegal begins his story with Ray's grandfather, Nicola “Nick” Mancino (Mancino is the original spelling). It was Nick who left Sicily in 1913 to come to America and ultimately settled in Youngstown, Ohio, a once thriving steel town. This was the genesis for the Mancini's in this country. Lenny's own story though proves to be every bit as compelling as Ray's, maybe even more so. Kriegel does his homework on Lenny and paints a picture of a tough hard fighting young man, who knew only one way to live and to fight, and that was forward, just keep moving forward. It was that “Forward “gene that was passed on to his sons, Lenny Jr and Ray, especially Ray.

I don't want to spoil the book for anyone that has yet to read it so I'm not going to go into every little detail but I do want try and capture the essence of this book which I believe to be a well constructed story of a man's life. While most of us know the story of Ray Mancini the boxer, we don't really know Ray Mancini the man. Mark Kriegel introduces us to Ray Mancini the son, brother, husband , father and friend.

Kriegel takes us chronologically through Ray's fights , including his heartbreaking knockout loss to Alexis Arguello in 1981 and to his title winning effort on May 8, 1982 when he stopped lightweight champ Art Frias and captured the WBA Lightweight title. Frias was stopped in the first round of a short but exciting back and forth fight.

The cornerstone of this book and the pivotal point in Ray's life was Ray's fight on November 13, 1982 with the unknown and seemingly over matched fighter from Korea, Duk Koo Kim. After a hellacious fight that caught everyone off guard, including Mancini. Mancini, as was his way, fought moving forward and throwing everything he had but in Kim, Mancini had met his match. At least until the 14th round when Kim was felled by a Mancini right hand. Kim made a valiant effort to rise but the fight was immediately stopped by referee Richard Green. Seconds later Kim fell into a coma and died a few days later as a result of injuries sustained during the fight. For Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini, Lightweight champion of the world, life would never be the same again. Three months later Kim's mother would commit suicide and sometime later so would referee Richard Green.

Kriegal painstakingly takes us through Duk Koo Kim's life and the circumstances leading up to his fight with Mancini. He does the same for Bobby Chacon and for most of the detailed characters in his book. It is that detail that gives life to the Good Son and makes it such a good read.

The death of his brother Lenny, the death of Kim, the suicides of Kim's mother and Richard Green, the eventual loss of his lightweight title to Livingstone Bramble and his failure to recapture the title all led to Mancini's feeling of being overwhelmed by life and circumstances. Who wouldn't be? We can all relate and it is in this part of the book that Kriegel really excels and shows us an unseen side of Ray Mancini the man.

Ray Mancini was a blue collar fighter if ever there was one. He fought not only for his father but for the people of Youngstown, Ohio and Italian Americans everywhere. This was his strength and his burden. He was also a man in perpetual need of adoration and he didn't always handle that so well. In this book we learn that ultimately Ray Mancini is just a man trying to do what the rest of us are doing, and that is survive the best way we know how, one foot in front of the other, always moving forward. This is the lesson that Ray has learned as his quest evolved from seeking a title for his father to seeking peace of mind and contentment for himself. In the ring or out, you can't help but root for Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini to win.


http://boxing-ring.blogspot.com/2012/08 ... -ray-boom-
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marzam wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Is that you on the picture? can't make out if you are a guy or a Gal... :confused:
Don't worry about it--I get mistaken for a guy on many, many occasions. Going through the drive-thru is the worst: "Pull up, sir." "Here's your change, sir." The odd thing being, the accoutrements on the front of my body are certainly not small and how they get overlooked is beyond me. Heck, I was once even called an "it" by a Legion Auxiliary member when she couldn't figure out whether to refer to me as a male or female. (For the record, though, I have masculine traits but I do likes da men-folk :DD ) But, yea, that was back before Lalia Ali made her mark, and what women boxers existed were pretty much just the novelty act before lesser matches. Seeing them at the Olympics now makes me wish I was twenty years younger! Or at least halfway in shape. :roll:

So that is great, thanks for the info on the gym! The way it was described, it was like the "gym" was its own separate room. Glad to know that wasn't the case, as it clears up a few things--particularly in relation to the wrestlers who worked out there as well. Must've been a hell of a thing when the pit was filled in with concrete, in order to build the Brunswick lanes.
For the record, you don't look like a guy to me in that photo.
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Randyman wrote:Image

The Good Son
The Life of Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini
By Mark Kriegel

By Randy De La O

Kudos to Mark Kriegel for his brutally honest telling of the life of Ray Mancini, former lightweight champion and one of the more popular and beloved fighters of the 1980's, arguably one of boxing's greatest era. Kudos to Ray Mancini as well, for his willingness to share his story, character flaws and all. Kriegel and Mancini do not sugar coat his life and Mancini, to his credit, makes no excuses. I saw every one of Mancini's nationally televised fights back in the day. I saw all the ups and downs. I'm familiar with his career as a fighter and with the type of fighter that he was. Mancini's style can only be described as “All Heart”, and it was his big heart that took him beyond his own physical abilities. Ray Mancini is what we like to call. an honest fighter It is this type of fighter to which I am almost always invariably drawn to.

It's no secret to anyone that has followed Ray Mancini's career, or boxing for that matter, that his story begins with his father; Lenny “Boom Boom” Mancini. It was the basis for his own motivation to fight and it was his belief that but for WWII and the injuries that his father incurred, he might have been a champion. Lenny's own story would make for one hell of a movie. It was Ray Mancini's soul driven quest to win a title for his father.

Kriegal begins his story with Ray's grandfather, Nicola “Nick” Mancino (Mancino is the original spelling). It was Nick who left Sicily in 1913 to come to America and ultimately settled in Youngstown, Ohio, a once thriving steel town. This was the genesis for the Mancini's in this country. Lenny's own story though proves to be every bit as compelling as Ray's, maybe even more so. Kriegel does his homework on Lenny and paints a picture of a tough hard fighting young man, who knew only one way to live and to fight, and that was forward, just keep moving forward. It was that “Forward “gene that was passed on to his sons, Lenny Jr and Ray, especially Ray.

I don't want to spoil the book for anyone that has yet to read it so I'm not going to go into every little detail but I do want try and capture the essence of this book which I believe to be a well constructed story of a man's life. While most of us know the story of Ray Mancini the boxer, we don't really know Ray Mancini the man. Mark Kriegel introduces us to Ray Mancini the son, brother, husband , father and friend.

Kriegel takes us chronologically through Ray's fights , including his heartbreaking knockout loss to Alexis Arguello in 1981 and to his title winning effort on May 8, 1982 when he stopped lightweight champ Art Frias and captured the WBA Lightweight title. Frias was stopped in the first round of a short but exciting back and forth fight.

The cornerstone of this book and the pivotal point in Ray's life was Ray's fight on November 13, 1982 with the unknown and seemingly over matched fighter from Korea, Duk Koo Kim. After a hellacious fight that caught everyone off guard, including Mancini. Mancini, as was his way, fought moving forward and throwing everything he had but in Kim, Mancini had met his match. At least until the 14th round when Kim was felled by a Mancini right hand. Kim made a valiant effort to rise but the fight was immediately stopped by referee Richard Green. Seconds later Kim fell into a coma and died a few days later as a result of injuries sustained during the fight. For Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini, Lightweight champion of the world, life would never be the same again. Three months later Kim's mother would commit suicide and sometime later so would referee Richard Green.

Kriegal painstakingly takes us through Duk Koo Kim's life and the circumstances leading up to his fight with Mancini. He does the same for Bobby Chacon and for most of the detailed characters in his book. It is that detail that gives life to the Good Son and makes it such a good read.

The death of his brother Lenny, the death of Kim, the suicides of Kim's mother and Richard Green, the eventual loss of his lightweight title to Livingstone Bramble and his failure to recapture the title all led to Mancini's feeling of being overwhelmed by life and circumstances. Who wouldn't be? We can all relate and it is in this part of the book that Kriegel really excels and shows us an unseen side of Ray Mancini the man.

Ray Mancini was a blue collar fighter if ever there was one. He fought not only for his father but for the people of Youngstown, Ohio and Italian Americans everywhere. This was his strength and his burden. He was also a man in perpetual need of adoration and he didn't always handle that so well. In this book we learn that ultimately Ray Mancini is just a man trying to do what the rest of us are doing, and that is survive the best way we know how, one foot in front of the other, always moving forward. This is the lesson that Ray has learned as his quest evolved from seeking a title for his father to seeking peace of mind and contentment for himself. In the ring or out, you can't help but root for Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini to win.


http://boxing-ring.blogspot.com/2012/08 ... -ray-boom-
Nice job Randy.
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And to think--there are so many life stories from so many boxers that will never be known in such wonderful detail.
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Randy does a great job in his review of the Mancini book.
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marzam wrote:And to think--there are so many life stories from so many boxers that will never be known in such wonderful detail.
Here's a lick to something I wrote about going to the Hollywood Legion in 1951.

http://westcoastboxersofyearsgoneby.blo ... keeny.html
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kikibalt wrote:
marzam wrote:And to think--there are so many life stories from so many boxers that will never be known in such wonderful detail.
Here's a lick to something I wrote about going to the Hollywood Legion in 1951.

http://westcoastboxersofyearsgoneby.blo ... keeny.html
Great piece of writing Frank. I left a comment.
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kikibalt wrote:Randy does a great job in his review of the Mancini book.
Thanks Frank. I got an email from an editor or publicist at Simon and Shuster, asking me if I wouldn't mind reviewing their new book, the Good Son, They sent me a copy of the book. It really is a good book. I was honored to do this review.

Frank, between your memories of the good old days (boxing as well as Simon's Brickyard and with Frankie's and Tony's careers, you have enough for a few books!! I am dead serious!!
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Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
marzam wrote:And to think--there are so many life stories from so many boxers that will never be known in such wonderful detail.
Here's a lick to something I wrote about going to the Hollywood Legion in 1951.

http://westcoastboxersofyearsgoneby.blo ... keeny.html
Great piece of writing Frank. I left a comment.
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Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Randy does a great job in his review of the Mancini book.
Thanks Frank. I got an email from an editor or publicist at Simon and Shuster, asking me if I wouldn't mind reviewing their new book, the Good Son, They sent me a copy of the book. It really is a good book. I was honored to do this review.

Frank, between your memories of the good old days (boxing as well as Simon's Brickyard and with Frankie's and Tony's careers, you have enough for a few books!! I am dead serious!!
I am working on one based on Keeny Teran, but fiction
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Hegemon Lewis, Mando Ramos, Ernie Indian red Lopez
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Mando Ramos v Sugar Ramos
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Have I mentioned lately just how much I treasure this thread? OK...sorry, just having a weak sentimental moment...I'll trust you won't hold it against me.

It's like a time capsule...and I can only hope there is NEVER a software breakdown that threatens the content. I can't tell you how many times I've instructed folks to use the search feature to dig up stuff relevant to the knowledge that has been stored here. Stories, candid pictures, stats, even old promo shots, pics of event tickets, flyers, and behind the scenes boxing shenanigans.

It's a gold mine IMHO. And unlike most gold mines, more gold is being stored here with every passing month...lol.
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BoxBuzz wrote:Have I mentioned lately just how much I treasure this thread? OK...sorry, just having a weak sentimental moment...I'll trust you won't hold it against me.

It's like a time capsule...and I can only hope there is NEVER a software breakdown that threatens the content. I can't tell you how many times I've instructed folks to use the search feature to dig up stuff relevant to the knowledge that has been stored here. Stories, candid pictures, stats, even old promo shots, pics of event tickets, flyers, and behind the scenes boxing shenanigans.

It's a gold mine IMHO. And unlike most gold mines, more gold is being stored here with every passing month...lol.
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Art Aragon v Carlos Chavez I
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Art Aragon v Carlos Chavez I
Frank, :TU: :TU:
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The auction page: http://www.huntauctions.com/phone/image ... t_num=1153 I spotted this auction site a few weeks back, but it was too late to bid. And the winning bid was a mere $55, too. Something from the ring would've been a great addition to our museum. :verysad: This was a boxing stool from the Stadium, circa 1926--or so says the brass plate. (Honestly, I wonder if maybe the stool was ours and was one of the many items that has gone "missing" from our museum over the years.)

There's not much of anything boxing-wise that has survived the pre-1938 era (when the wooden stadium was replaced by the concrete one). We've got an old pair of leather boxing gloves dangling from a wooden sign, a couple of wooden chairs, and a few other odds and ends (although, sadly, we're missing almost all the 1920s cards/fliers/programs).

And I should put this out there--if anyone interested in donating anything, please let me know! Don't throw out those old Legion newsletters, programs or other paper goods! They ain't garbage. They're our history.
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