Norris v. Jirov.

[Rover]

Yes, I know they fought an 8-round draw when they were both waaaay past-prime (especially Norris). Jirov's prime missed Norris's reign by just a few years. How would it have gone?
I think Jirov would outwork him to win a close decision in a fine fight similar to Norris-Arthur Williams I.

[Bobbyptsd]

Yes, I know they fought an 8-round draw when they were both waaaay past-prime (especially Norris). Jirov's prime missed Norris's reign by just a few years. How would it have gone?
I think Jirov would outwork him to win a close decision in a fine fight similar to Norris-Arthur Williams I.

I could see something like that. Jirov was really a tough, body-punching, pressure fighting monster at his best, at CW. Makes you appreciate what a bastard Toney was when he still had something left.

[Rover]

Yes, I know they fought an 8-round draw when they were both waaaay past-prime (especially Norris). Jirov's prime missed Norris's reign by just a few years. How would it have gone?
I think Jirov would outwork him to win a close decision in a fine fight similar to Norris-Arthur Williams I.

I could see something like that. Jirov was really a tough, body-punching, pressure fighting monster at his best, at CW. Makes you appreciate what a bastard Toney was when he still had something left.

Good to see you in this section, Bobby.
Keep in mind that Toney was also a drug cheat (caught twice).

[Bobbyptsd]

Was he caught before Ruiz? I'm not being sarcastic, I thought the only time he was caught was for the Ruiz fight.

And he tended to be out of shape, it had more to do with healing from injuries than anything else. I know cheating is cheating, but still, for some reason it doesn't bother me as much in his case.

[dempseyfire]

I think prime vs prime its a very competitive fight. Orlin is one of those forgotten fighters but he was a very skilled boxer at his best; I think if Tyson hadn't blatantly fouled Norris in their fight he would've gotten extremely frustrated with him.

[Rover]

Was he caught before Ruiz? I'm not being sarcastic, I thought the only time he was caught was for the Ruiz fight.

And he tended to be out of shape, it had more to do with healing from injuries than anything else. I know cheating is cheating, but still, for some reason it doesn't bother me as much in his case.

He wasn't caught before Ruiz, but he also was caught v. Bachelder.

[klompton]

I think prime vs prime its a very competitive fight. Orlin is one of those forgotten fighters but he was a very skilled boxer at his best; I think if Tyson hadn't blatantly fouled Norris in their fight he would've gotten extremely frustrated with him.

Oh please, Norris blatantly quit and tried to milk it for more money. His manager can be heard screaming between rounds for him not to get up, to stay down, and they would get another fight, i.e. more money. It was pathetic and Norris knew it by the look on his face.

[Rover]

I think prime vs prime its a very competitive fight. Orlin is one of those forgotten fighters but he was a very skilled boxer at his best; I think if Tyson hadn't blatantly fouled Norris in their fight he would've gotten extremely frustrated with him.

Oh please, Norris blatantly quit and tried to milk it for more money. His manager can be heard screaming between rounds for him not to get up, to stay down, and they would get another fight, i.e. more money. It was pathetic and Norris knew it by the look on his face.

Tyson's behavior was pathetic; the usual for him.

[Bobbyptsd]

Not to try to high jack your thread, the premise is a good one, but since I don't visit BOTP very often, I don't know if this has been discussed, but it should be:

Jirov vs. Gomez at CW in their primes. The clear two top guys in the division for quite awhile, should have fought.

My money would be on Gomez.

[Rover]

Not to try to high jack your thread, the premise is a good one, but since I don't visit BOTP very often, I don't know if this has been discussed, but it should be:

Jirov vs. Gomez at CW in their primes. The clear two top guys in the division for quite awhile, should have fought.

My money would be on Gomez.

Gomez was a beast back then. Couldn't transition to heavyweight at the top level, though.
I think Gomez would've beaten Norris. Actually, the only cruiserweight I think I'd clearly favor over Gomez was Holyfield, though I think Cole would beat him also (but not as sure of that).

[loaded_gloves]

I think prime vs prime its a very competitive fight. Orlin is one of those forgotten fighters but he was a very skilled boxer at his best; I think if Tyson hadn't blatantly fouled Norris in their fight he would've gotten extremely frustrated with him.

Oh please, Norris blatantly quit and tried to milk it for more money. His manager can be heard screaming between rounds for him not to get up, to stay down, and they would get another fight, i.e. more money. It was pathetic and Norris knew it by the look on his face.

You're wrong and without the facts - it was proven after the fight Orlin Norris suffered a serious knee injury - the same one he had injured in 1990 versus Bert Cooper. This was covered in the Boxing Monthly write up and in the weeks after the fight on secondouts etc.

[klompton]

The tape doesnt lie, go watch the film and then deny he quit. He sure got up easily and strolled back to his corner like nothing happened for a guy with a "serious" injury. Norris never has any intention of quitting until Mike Marley, his advisor, sitting ringside screams to him to stay down that theyll win on a DQ. He then continues to scream "We'll get another fight" Watch and pay attention before jumping on the bandwagon.

Yeah right, the Cooper injury, the one where he was behind and quit. Besides, he fought Bert Cooper TEN YEARS BEFORE FIGHTING TYSON, I think the "injury" had time to heal LOL.

[jont]

prime to prime...I think Norris was a heavy in his prime..... and that he went down to cruiser after his prime.... still I think that this would have been Norris's real superfight and that he would have won the fight as he was harder to really hit than some of the other fighters Jirov faced...and Norris still had some decent pop in his hands at cruiser...

[jehu]

I take norris in this one, i thinks he has enough tactics to outbox jirov.

[HomicideHenry]

Norris would of had a picnic, Jirov was just too wide open