'Advanced' Padwork

[Matt W]

Ok, this might just be me, but......

Did anybody see this week's Ringside training feature with Jamie Moore?

There's a saying that you perform how you practice and I watch all of that pattycake padwork and just think, how the hell is that teaching you how to box? You could say it's about hand-eye co-ordination but I can bash one of those pop-up vermin things with a hammer on one of those fairground games for hand-eye co-ordination and it ain't going to make me a boxer.

Yes I know it's only one part of a training programme but as far as I'm concerned every training activity should have a specific purpose that equates to how you will box. Floyd Mayweather may do that sort of stuff on the pads but I wonder how much is for show, I doubt it was used to teach him how to box and if I'm wrong then I would think he's the exception and not the rule.

I don't wish to be harsh on the young guy they featured but after strutting around like a legend talking about winning 7 world titles in different weights he proceeded to pitty-pat the heavy bag with arm punches and no hip rotation whatsoever. And then tweets flash up on the screen (don't get me started on that, I couldn't give a flying fuk what Joe Blow thinks when I'm listening to the panel's opinions....) saying how great he's going to be!!!

I'm with the distinctly unimpressed Glenn McCrory on this one I just don't get it.

Rant over

[SAPFO]

Working on combinations maybe...

[stujones]

I tend to view it in almost the same way as a footballer's ability to do keepy uppy.

Is it necessary for the sport? Nope. However, I think in most exceptional boxers cases they've learned the "basic" padwork so well, they are in the gym so long and it comes so natural - that they can also do this shit for show and it looks good to the camera

Yeah, I'm sure you will get some people who are amazing at this advanced pad work who cannot fight for toffee.... as you will get some keepy uppy specialists who cannot play football that well.... but it still shows an advance level ability, even if it is not specific. Its similar to if you watch a public workout and you see fighert A who looks amazing on the rope doing all kinds of stuff, and fighter B looking like a 4 year old school boy. Skipping isn't that sports specific, but you'll always plump for fighter A if you had to bet on one of them.

Floyd Mayweather is clearly doing something very right.

[Matt W]

Good points Stu and I think the comparison to keepy uppy is very apt. The thing that bothers me is that by doing that kind of stuff as a core part of a boxer's training, especially a novice boxer, it may do more harm than good. I think there are a proportion of coaches in all sports who see an activity and copy it without really considering its purpose and whether it actually adds anything in performance terms. I think this could become a fad for people who copy it thinking it must be great because Mayweather does it.

Good punching technique starts from the feet, with power generated through the legs via good hip rotation, striking through the target with a good range of motion, etc etc, and I think too much of this sort of padwork could ingrain fundamentally poor technique.

[Emmseegee]

I know some of them were saying he has ability in sparring etc but that boy was ridiculous.
Even looked terrible hitting the bags. Looking at the camera whilst tapping the pads and spinning in circles after landing a punch on the bag.

Gimme a break.

[stevieb_8006]

I didn't c it but I take it that's the little black kid from london that's trained by his old man? The guy that was on YouTube calling johnny eames a dinosaur.

His dad was blatantly living his dream thru his child. He didn't appear to be too clued up, I remember thinking he'll get his kid hurt if he's not careful.

If anyone has a link I'd appreciate it.

[Rockys gum shield]

Of course it isn't going to help anyone's actual boxing skills but what it does do is improve the hand speed and the speed of thought, this is all vital when inside the ring.

Reference to the Mayweather comment, he has enough boxing experience to get him by the speed and hand eye are what he wants to keep on top of as that will keep him away from the young quick hitters.

[ShadrachSimmo]

Ok, this might just be me, but......

Did anybody see this week's Ringside training feature with Jamie Moore?

There's a saying that you perform how you practice and I watch all of that pattycake padwork and just think, how the hell is that teaching you how to box? You could say it's about hand-eye co-ordination but I can bash one of those pop-up vermin things with a hammer on one of those fairground games for hand-eye co-ordination and it ain't going to make me a boxer.

Yes I know it's only one part of a training programme but as far as I'm concerned every training activity should have a specific purpose that equates to how you will box. Floyd Mayweather may do that sort of stuff on the pads but I wonder how much is for show, I doubt it was used to teach him how to box and if I'm wrong then I would think he's the exception and not the rule.

I don't wish to be harsh on the young guy they featured but after strutting around like a legend talking about winning 7 world titles in different weights he proceeded to pitty-pat the heavy bag with arm punches and no hip rotation whatsoever. And then tweets flash up on the screen (don't get me started on that, I couldn't give a flying fuk what Joe Blow thinks when I'm listening to the panel's opinions....) saying how great he's going to be!!!

I'm with the distinctly unimpressed Glenn McCrory on this one I just don't get it.

Rant over

I agree mate I was confused. The thing I realised the most was that the boy had no power at all hitting the heavy bag. Maybe I just didnt get it.

[Bricks]

have to agree with matt w and was gonna post a thread about it.
I saw it countless times in my amateur days loads of flasy naturally athletic kids come in and look great on the bags/pads and than get into the ring to spar and BOOM its all over.
Obviously Aserver has had a decent amateur career ( i assume) and has some potential. But so far he hasnt won anything of note in the amateurs or come close as far as im aware and altho it was a fun piece i sensed bit of big headedness from the kid.

There have been many many talented athletic kids who got no where. Im with mcrory

[liella]

i'm with mcory. how will that show stuff help him when he gets clipped ?

[Des1]

I didn't c it but I take it that's the little black kid from london that's trained by his old man? The guy that was on YouTube calling johnny eames a dinosaur.

His dad was blatantly living his dream thru his child. He didn't appear to be too clued up, I remember thinking he'll get his kid hurt if he's not careful.

If anyone has a link I'd appreciate it.

The guy who trains him is not his father.

[stevieb_8006]

I didn't c it but I take it that's the little black kid from london that's trained by his old man? The guy that was on YouTube calling johnny eames a dinosaur.

His dad was blatantly living his dream thru his child. He didn't appear to be too clued up, I remember thinking he'll get his kid hurt if he's not careful.

If anyone has a link I'd appreciate it.

The guy who trains him is not his father.

Oh must b different kid then. There's 1 prospect that is and its pretty embarrassing. 'hard work, dedication...,' and other such cringeworthy impressions

[hurlock]

You can look a million dollars on the pads and be a gym king but 99% is psychological in boxing.
May weathers technique may not look practical but has mental stimulation using shoulders to block ,parrying & rolling out a high magnitude of punch combinations.

[Final round]

spose it's alright for working out combination routines so they are second nature but you'd want it delivered with proper punch technique for it to be worth anything.

[Gray-Fox]

I was in Mayweather's gym this summer, and Roger took me on the famous pad routine.

After a few rounds of him cussing and chastising me (breaking my balls) he later said, and I quote:

"Them pads don't mean shit anyway"

True story.

[Gray-Fox]

I didn't c it but I take it that's the little black kid from london that's trained by his old man? The guy that was on YouTube calling johnny eames a dinosaur.

His dad was blatantly living his dream thru his child. He didn't appear to be too clued up, I remember thinking he'll get his kid hurt if he's not careful.

If anyone has a link I'd appreciate it.

The guy who trains him is not his father.

I'm sure you're on about Otuo Saba and Tunde Ajayi. As far as I'm aware, Tunde is either his father or his step/adopted/foster father.

[dbf]

If it is Otou Saba, then he is a decent amateur despite the pitty patty mayweather Pads, he got to a national schoolboy final. So the kid can box.

He's gone pro and is apparently going to be training with Roger Mayweather as well as Tunde (his guardian not his father)

Agree about the Mayweather pads being useless and much copied with little knowledge, it amazes me that people are now doing courses in 'speed pads' etc. In my opinion and experience its bad for technique and also highly unrealistic.

Having said that you see a lot of 'top' pro coaches, who seemingly can't pad correctly.

Floyd Sr's pads are very different to Roger's but he loves ending combos on a triple jab, which just seems ridiculous.

Even the much hailed McCracken meets the gloves too much for my liking, which doesn't encourage Froch etc to punch fully and could cause injury to the elbow.

Some of the best pad work I have seen has been done by Amateur coaches, like Micky Driscoll from West Ham, David Pocknall former GB coach, and Gary Hale from the Lynn.

In the pro's Manny Steward seems to be a good pad man.

[Jeff Thomas]

The purpose of the drill is to develop balance I think. It's showy but at the same time if you can punch and block and counter all from one postition as this drill seems to promote then its good. I use punching drills with some of my novices and I find it helps them begin to link attack and defence simultaneously rather then thinking of them as two completely separate entity's.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mtxaEV0EWXI

Also it can help you launch counters with more fluidity. I wouldn't say it is a staple but I do think its useful. With regards to the 'dedication, hardwork' bollocks and the showboating on a punch bag I'd be embarrassed to ever let one of my kids go on tv and act like that.

[Matt W]

I was in Mayweather's gym this summer, and Roger took me on the famous pad routine.

After a few rounds of him cussing and chastising me (breaking my balls) he later said, and I quote:

"Them pads don't mean shit anyway"

True story.

[Boxingcutsman]

I remember being on the undercard of Amir Khan at the O2arena in london about 2006 and he was a young kid in the dressing room with his now trainer showing off doing that same shit even then, if my memory serves me correctly they had tagged along with Derrick Chisora & Don Charles who were on the bill aswell fighting Neil Simpson in Chisora's 6th or 7th pro fight, so they have been practasing for a very long time, has someone stated that Saba had got to a schoolboy nation final so he must be a good boxer lol, well A national schoolboy final don't mean shit, he didn't even win that, thats like saying he got to the final of the novice aba's. now if you say he was a multi nations, European, Commonwealth games medallist or aba senior champion, then I'd agree the kid had a good Amatuer pedigree and could box. That pad work is absolutely useless, plus from watching it up close his footwork was terrible, he didnt bend his knees, rotate his hips, was on the ball of his feet and when he did turn out he turned out the same way and to high, and what I saw on ringside that's still the same, maybe instead of spending hours a day perfecting a technique which I agree looks good for the cameras, I would work on the basics a lot more. Saying all that I do wish the kid luck and hope he does well, he and anyone good or bad deserve credit for climbing in a ring, it's a tough old sport and when you get in that ring you realise that it's not a game to be played and can be a lonely place but a great feeling of self worth

[rob h]

I saw it too and I also saw him doingit somewhere else about a month ago and if I am honest it made me take an instant dislike to him.

[Bricks]

These skits are done in humour with Jamie being made to be a good sport but usually they work well as the other people are "in the know" and play along, but i sensed for the first time some disrespect and overcockiness from the kid and his uncle. This kind of padwork is almost kung foolery, wingchun like bullshido..they emphasize it as making the kid great when all it is is supplemental , a great drill for reflexes and speed but thats all....it doesnt tell us anything about how good a fighter he will be let alone a "7 division world champ".

[dondada]

I was in Mayweather's gym this summer, and Roger took me on the famous pad routine.

After a few rounds of him cussing and chastising me (breaking my balls) he later said, and I quote:

"Them pads don't mean shit anyway"

True story.

[GreenLightning]

anybody got a link to this segment?

[TopGun]

anybody got a link to this segment?

Check it out on sky sports web site under ringside.....