What now for David Walker?........

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 24 Sep 2005, 10:49

It was sad really last night to see Walker so easily overcome by Moore. I wonder what people think his future is in the game?.
I thought he looked like a Welterweight against Moore last night. Moore looked so much stronger and there seemed to be no spark in Davids work.
I don't think Davids really looked the same fighter since the Fearon fight....

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 24 Sep 2005, 10:58

It has been a while since i have seen Walker in action and i was shocked how easy to hit he was, i don't remember him being that leaky or maybe it was because he was in against people with less quality than Moore. We recently discussed Moore's ambitions after this fight and someone suggested he would get found out at European level. I am not so sure, looking at the European rankings i don't think there is anything to particularly scare Moore who looked classy and compact last night. Could he survive at Euro level? I think so.

As for Walker, well he should maybe just retire, i don't see where he can go next.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 24 Sep 2005, 11:35

steve689 wrote:It has been a while since i have seen Walker in action and i was shocked how easy to hit he was, i don't remember him being that leaky or maybe it was because he was in against people with less quality than Moore. We recently discussed Moore's ambitions after this fight and someone suggested he would get found out at European level. I am not so sure, looking at the European rankings i don't think there is anything to particularly scare Moore who looked classy and compact last night. Could he survive at Euro level? I think so.

As for Walker, well he should maybe just retire, i don't see where he can go next.

I saw Walker against Howard Clarke a while back and he was dropped by Clarke in the first round!. Walkers never had a great defence but last night it was all over the place. But most worrying was his offensive work which was always going to be Davids only chance, but it was very flat and he seemed to have little snap or sparkle in his punches. All in all Walker had a ringworn look for me.
I'd like to see Moore in a rematch against Ossie Duran before he goes for a Europeon fight. Walker should retire I think, he takes too many punches to hang around too long. It was nice to see Davids corner pull him out when they did..... excellent corner work.

Barryboy · Post by **Barryboy** » 24 Sep 2005, 11:42

I always thought Walker should have stayed at welter (He started at 140 didn't he?) he just doesn't seem to be able to handle the bigger guys punches and I was surprised to see he's 29 I thought he was younger than that, a bit late in the day to start adjusting his style now so at a certain level he'd probably be ok but by the sounds of him he wanted that British title so I don't know if he'd be willing to settle for less and if that's the case then yeah maybe he should think about calling it quits.

states · Post by **states** » 24 Sep 2005, 11:51

Hard to see a future for Walker at that level. He looked worryingly unsteady at times. I know Moore was a class above, but I was thinking that maybe it's all caught up with 'Kid Dynamite'. He's always taken shots, but he was shipping plenty last night. At 29, does he really want to scuffle around at southern area level, or get used as a punchbag for up and comers? Probably best to think about calling it quits.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 24 Sep 2005, 11:56

Barryboy wrote:I always thought Walker should have stayed at welter (He started at 140 didn't he?) he just doesn't seem to be able to handle the bigger guys punches and I was surprised to see he's 29 I thought he was younger than that, a bit late in the day to start adjusting his style now so at a certain level he'd probably be ok but by the sounds of him he wanted that British title so I don't know if he'd be willing to settle for less and if that's the case then yeah maybe he should think about calling it quits.

I agree that he shouldn't have left 147 really. Yet he's fought as high as 160+.... which makes you question his conditioning really. I don't think its good a fighter going up and down in weight so much.
Walker definately looks little more than a welter and there was a clear difference in size and power between him and Jamie last night.
Perhaps Walkers only hope would be to move back down to 147 if he can make it or go back to the Southern Area title at 154. But he seems so vulnerble now theres no guarantee he could win that even... it would be a shame to see him become a journeyman and I doubt he'd want to go down that road........

Barryboy · Post by **Barryboy** » 24 Sep 2005, 12:00

Yeah, I think Rob McCracken who seems like a sensible guy & knows the biz may have a word in his ear as well.

Tarquin Tarpaulin IV · Post by **Tarquin Tarpaulin IV** » 24 Sep 2005, 20:32

I like Dave Walker as a fighter and don't wish to cast unneccessary aspersions on his character but recall a conversation with somebody who knew him very well and who alleged that he enjoyed a drink. Ok, so we all, fighters included, like a bevy but the impression I was given was that this was and would effect his career. :(

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 25 Sep 2005, 06:39

Tarquin Tarpaulin IV wrote:I like Dave Walker as a fighter and don't wish to cast unneccessary aspersions on his character but recall a conversation with somebody who knew him very well and who alleged that he enjoyed a drink. Ok, so we all, fighters included, like a bevy but the impression I was given was that this was and would effect his career. :(

I think he's admitted himself after fights in the past thats he's not always trained like he should have. I don't know to what degree this has affected his career but it may be behind the move uo to 154 and the reason why his has even fought over the 160 limit.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 25 Sep 2005, 06:46

I think if Walker wishes to continue then he should, but he is a notch below domestic title standard and he should just continue to opperate at Southern Area level.

I'm not sure if a fighter who has tasted EBU action (admitedly undeserved) and been an excellent amateur will want to admit he is not at the level of most in the domestic top ten. But he needs to for his own safety.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 25 Sep 2005, 07:25

states wrote:Hard to see a future for Walker at that level. He looked worryingly unsteady at times. I know Moore was a class above, but I was thinking that maybe it's all caught up with 'Kid Dynamite'. He's always taken shots, but he was shipping plenty last night. At 29, does he really want to scuffle around at southern area level, or get used as a punchbag for up and comers? Probably best to think about calling it quits.

My thoughts exactly. I'd like to see him take the very difficult decision of hanging them up. I'd hate to see such a game and honest fellow get hurt or suffer long term damage.

E · Post by E » 25 Sep 2005, 09:59

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
states wrote:Hard to see a future for Walker at that level. He looked worryingly unsteady at times. I know Moore was a class above, but I was thinking that maybe it's all caught up with 'Kid Dynamite'. He's always taken shots, but he was shipping plenty last night. At 29, does he really want to scuffle around at southern area level, or get used as a punchbag for up and comers? Probably best to think about calling it quits.
My thoughts exactly. I'd like to see him take the very difficult decision of hanging them up. I'd hate to see such a game and honest fellow get hurt or suffer long term damage.

Agreed. Walker was a good amateur but his punch resistance and defence seem to have gone.... the problem is fighters like him love to fight, so don't want to call it a day.....

I don't know what to suggest....

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 26 Sep 2005, 05:07

Walker should hang em up while he still has his health.

He is so easy to hit, he was never going to have a long career.

about a month ago, there were people on here who thought he would beat Anthony Small.

For Walkers sake, I hope that fight never happens.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 26 Sep 2005, 05:33

He has never had any skills or anything. It's a joke. And these guys win ABA titles...

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 26 Sep 2005, 06:15

Southpaw Stylist wrote:He has never had any skills or anything. It's a joke. And these guys win ABA titles...

It just shows how poor the standard of Amatuer Boxing has become. I mean didnt that Joe Young win an ABA title. Its a joke, he is terrible.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 26 Sep 2005, 06:42

To be fair I've been watching Walker for years and though he's never had the greatest defence he used to be a lot sharper than he seemed on Friday night. I think too many ring wars have left their mark...

THEBUTCH · Post by **THEBUTCH** » 26 Sep 2005, 08:41

You don't reach an ABA final at light welter and win the ABA title at Welterweight without some sort of skills or ability. Heavyweight's a different story.

Walker was well beaten by the better man and it was a painful defeat to watch for David's supporters. I haven't watched it back on TV yet, but he didn't do too badly for most of the first two rounds but clearly being physically smaller than Moore, punching "at" the target on the move and then punching arms and gloves wasn't going to keep David in the fight for long. I had hoped that a lot of Walker's training would centre around him spinning off the ropes the second he felt his back touch them and turn Moore onto them and then open up with everything in an attempt to swamp Jamie, but it wasn't to be.

He's got a baby on the way soon so he'll have to think hard about what the future holds, but I think if he drops down to English title level that may bring him some success. I'd like to see David box at Welterweight but I know he doesn't believe in killing ones self to make weight.

Tarquin Tarpaulin IV · Post by **Tarquin Tarpaulin IV** » 26 Sep 2005, 08:44

There skills may be limited but to say any boxer that wins an ABA title has NO skills is ludicrous.

Johnny Nelson has skills that nobody wants to see, yet Walker who has been involved in plenty of action scraps is the subject of derogatory remarks!!?

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 26 Sep 2005, 08:47

THEBUTCH wrote:You don't reach an ABA final at light welter and win the ABA title at Welterweight without some sort of skills or ability. Heavyweight's a different story.

Walker was well beaten by the better man and it was a painful defeat to watch for David's supporters. I haven't watched it back on TV yet, but he didn't do too badly for most of the first two rounds but clearly being physically smaller than Moore, punching "at" the target on the move and then punching arms and gloves wasn't going to keep David in the fight for long. I had hoped that a lot of Walker's training would centre around him spinning off the ropes the second he felt his back touch them and turn Moore onto them and then open up with everything in an attempt to swamp Jamie, but it wasn't to be.

He's got a baby on the way soon so he'll have to think hard about what the future holds, but I think if he drops down to English title level that may bring him some success. I'd like to see David box at Welterweight but I know he doesn't believe in killing ones self to make weight.

I think if he's going to have any sort of future in boxing he's got to go back down to Welter. He's just not strong or big enough at 154 and his game relies on his strength and power...

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 26 Sep 2005, 09:08

Tarquin Tarpaulin IV wrote:There skills may be limited but to say any boxer that wins an ABA title has NO skills is ludicrous.

Johnny Nelson has skills that nobody wants to see, yet Walker who has been involved in plenty of action scraps is the subject of derogatory remarks!!?

Very true... it takes certain skills to be a brawler with Walkers style. Part of his problem seems to be that those skills have perhaps waned.
To just mock Walker is pure ignorance.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 26 Sep 2005, 09:22

realistically walker is going to be beaten up if he fights anyone with half decent domestic ability.

He needs to retire, he can't say he didn't try and he must know deep down what his level is.