Best Amateur Record?

[MannyPacquiaofanlol]

Oscar De La Hoya: 223 - 5
Manny Pacquiao:60-4
Marco Antonio Barrera: 100-4
Muhammad Ali: 100-5, or 99-8, 134-7, 137-7
Floyd Mayweather: 84-6
Pernell Whitaker: 201-13
Donald Curry: 400-4
Roy Jones Jr. 121-13
what do you think is the best?
Edit: I got alot of amateur records from all time greats/ not so greats.
Felix Savon (358-17)
Teofilo Stevenson (302-20)
Laszlo Papp (301-12-6)
Terry Norris (291-4)
Virgil Hill (250-11)
Mike McCallum (240-10)
Kennedy McKinney (214-13)
Pernell Whitaker (201-14)
John Mugabi (195-5)
Vitali Klitschko (195-15)
Leon Spinks (181-9)
Sugar Ray Leonard (165-5)
Danny Romero (127-5)
Wilfredo Benitez (123-6)
Harry Arroyo (120-15)
Nino Benvenuti (119-1)
Jose Napoles (113-1)
Mark Breland (110-1)
Kid Chocolate (100-0)
Muhammad Ali (100-5)
Vinny Pazienza (100-12)
Meldrick Taylor (99-4)
Michael Carbajal (94-9)
Michael Spinks (93-7)
Tony Zale (87-8)
Sugar Ray Robinson (85-0)
Carlos Monzon (79-7)
Hector Camacho (75-4)
Maurice Blocker (73-3)
Roger Mayweather (64-4)
Simon Brown (63-2)
Willie Pep (62-3)
Yoko Gushiken (62-3)
Naseem Hamed (62-5)
Ingemar Johansson (61-10)
Alexis Arguello (58-2)
Wilfredo Gomez (58-2-1)
Henry Armstrong (58-4)
Marvin Hagler (55-1)
Felix Trinidad (51-6)
Joe Louis (50-4)
Azumah Nelson (50-2)
Michael Moorer (48-16)
Ray Mancini (43-7)
Ezzard Charles (42-0)
Nigel Benn (41-1)
Floyd Patterson (40-4)
Ricardo Lopez (37-1)
Benny Lynch (35-2)
Carlos Zarate (33-0)
Iran Barkley (30-4)
Edwin Rosario (30-2)
Vito Antuofermo (29-1)
Bobby Czyz (24-2)
Chiquita Gonzalez (23-0)
Jesse James Leija (23-5)
Chris Eubank (19-7)
Rocky Marciano (9-4)

Some current champions and contenders:

Oscar De La Hoya (223-5)
Jeff Lacy (209-12)
Evander Holyfield (160-14)
Wladimir Klitschko (134-6)
Zab Judah (110-5)
Erik Morales (108-6)
Diego Corrales (105-12)
Acelino Freitas (74-2)
Rosendo Alavarez (66-12)
Kassim Ouma (60-3)
Marco Antonio Barrera (56-4)
Ike Quartey (50-4)
Vivian Harris (45-5)
Juan Manuel Marquez (44-2)
Manuel Medina (40-6)
Jorge Arce (37-3)
Montell Griffin (36-5)
Antonio Margarito (21-3)
James Toney (20-2)
Jean-Marc Mormeck (13-2)
Nikolai Valuev (12-3)

[boxmel]

Since I have it on record that Oscar's win/loss was 200 and 5 - who are the other three wins? Against who, where and when?

[felinoboxing]

I think the best time amateur is Guillermo Rigondeau 243-4.

There are other impressive records, with many kos, as Edwin Valero 86-6 45 kos.

Another Venezuelan boxer, with impressive record is Carlos "kiki" Vera: 121 wins-7 losses ¡¡¡82 Ko¨s!!!!

[scallum]

What about Breland 100-1 or Srr 85-0? None of these records are official just what the fighters tell us

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Breland's record isn't disputed and if there was someone who beat him, I'm sure you would have heard it by now. IMO, his record is the most impressive because it included so much international action. Plus he won like 90% of his NYC GG string by KO. Great amateur. I actually met him in NYC at a USAB dual vs. China. Really nice guy.

[JMac]

I think the best time amateur is Guillermo Rigondeau 243-4.

There are other impressive records, with many kos, as Edwin Valero 86-6 45 kos.

Another Venezuelan boxer, with impressive record is Carlos "kiki" Vera: 121 wins-7 losses ¡¡¡82 Ko¨s!!!!

In 2001 at the world championships in Belfast, I was given a brochure on the Cuban team boxing at the worlds by the President of the Cuban boxing federation. It had a picture and bio on each boxer and at that time Rigondeaux's record was listed at 193-12. He probably did not lose up to the time of his defection at the '07 Pan Am Games in Rio so he could of had 243 wins by then but he did lose 12. Still a 243-12 record is nothing to sneeze about.

[MannyPacquiaofanlol]

wow, alot of great amateurs, i dont really know that much good amateurs

[DCAmateurBoxing]

In my opinion, once a boxer has that many wins over losses, it doesn't even matter as much as who they box and if they win against other top boxers. When asked you just gotta say "He has a lot of wins and not many loses." But after hearing about boxers records, I always ask about what did they accomplish on the national level if at all. That's more impressive than a record to me because you can protect a fighter during local shows, but once you go to the nationals it's all about that draw and sometimes that doesn't even matter if the bracket is loaded.

[scallum]

In my opinion, once a boxer has that many wins over losses, it doesn't even matter as much as who they box and if they win against other top boxers. When asked you just gotta say "He has a lot of wins and not many loses." But after hearing about boxers records, I always ask about what did they accomplish on the national level if at all. That's more impressive than a record to me because you can protect a fighter during local shows, but once you go to the nationals it's all about that draw and sometimes that doesn't even matter if the bracket is loaded.

I 100% agree with DcAB, most folks don't realize how tough it is on the national level. Thats why I find it hilarious when folks question boxers like Floyd and Dirrell on manhood. Those dudes had to fight the best of the best as kids and you get no choices at the Major tournaments, you may have to fight Studs back to back to back at any given tournament. I admire all these kids and their efforts

[locoxelbox]

Since I have it on record that Oscar's win/loss was 200 and 5 - who are the other three wins? Against who, where and when?

De La Hoya mentions in his book "American son - my story" his record as 228 fights with 5 losses. The losses that are mentioned are to Shane Mosley, Pepe Reilly, Ruben Espinoza and Marco Rudolph. Anyone know who was the fifth?

[locoxelbox]

I think the best time amateur is Guillermo Rigondeau 243-4.

In 2001 at the world championships in Belfast, I was given a brochure on the Cuban team boxing at the worlds by the President of the Cuban boxing federation. It had a picture and bio on each boxer and at that time Rigondeaux's record was listed at 193-12. He probably did not lose up to the time of his defection at the '07 Pan Am Games in Rio so he could of had 243 wins by then but he did lose 12. Still a 243-12 record is nothing to sneeze about.

I interviewed Rigondeaux in 2007 four months before his first defection. He said his record was 381 wins with 12 losses. He had 10 more wins before defecting, so roughly his record would be 391 wins with 12 losses (or 13?). He didn´t remember exact names and dates but he named losses to Enrique Carrion, Angel Moya, Rencise Perez, Bekzat Sattarkhanov, Waldemar Font and Agasi Mamedov (the only loss in his last 250 bouts).

[lowkee]

Terry Norris is up there at 291-4. Norris and his brother would fight every weekend on Saturday and Sunday. Since it wasn't allowed at the time, Saturday they would fight under their real names and then Sunday fight under fake names.

[DavidEpstein]

South Africa Heavyweight Courage Tashbala was 72-1-0 as an amateur. He lost his 1st fight and then scored 72 straight first round knockouts.


Dorian Melamad was 44-0-0, 42 knockouts as an amateur.



I believe Cuba's Kid Chocolate was 100-0-0, 86 KOs as an amateur.

[JMac]

South Africa Heavyweight Courage Tashbala was 72-1-0 as an amateur. He lost his 1st fight and then scored 72 straight first round knockouts.


Dorian Melamad was 44-0-0, 42 knockouts as an amateur.



I believe Cuba's Kid Chocolate was 100-0-0, 86 KOs as an amateur.

As for the South Africans, never heard of them. Why didn't they win Olympic gold with records like that? KO's are rare in the amaters also.

[DavidEpstein]

Can't answer that question because I don't know. Tashbala turned pro I believe about 15 years ago, but wasn't successful.

[srlboxingcenter]

sugar ray leonard 145-5 75 ko's

[boxmel]

De La Hoya mentions in his book "American son - my story" his record as 228 fights with 5 losses. The losses that are mentioned are to Shane Mosley, Pepe Reilly, Ruben Espinoza and Marco Rudolph. Anyone know who was the fifth?

He had 4 losses as a JO. Marco Rudolph was his only 'senior' loss. He is probably counting bouts that were not recorded, i.e., prior to 1987.

[BARNEYKX]

McTaggart competed at two Olympic games as a Lightweight (1956, 1960), and one as a Light welterweight (1964). McTaggart won the gold medal in 1956, and was awarded the Val Barker Trophy, as the games outstanding boxer. He won the bronze medal in 1960, and was eliminated in the 3rd round in 1964. McTaggart was also a five-time ABA champion (1956, 1958, 1960, 1963 and 1965). McTaggart purportedly won 610 of his 634 amateur bouts.

[BARNEYKX]

will anyone ever match irelands katie taylors record

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Taylor

[crusader]

South Africa Heavyweight Courage Tashbala was 72-1-0 as an amateur. He lost his 1st fight and then scored 72 straight first round knockouts.


Dorian Melamad was 44-0-0, 42 knockouts as an amateur.



I believe Cuba's Kid Chocolate was 100-0-0, 86 KOs as an amateur.

As for the South Africans, never heard of them. Why didn't they win Olympic gold with records like that? KO's are rare in the amaters also.

Probably because most records like that are fabricated.

[T Duquette]

Did either Donald Curry or Ray Robinson win gold medals? If not then I would have to go with Oscar.

[locoxelbox]

The options in the poll show only one Olympic gold medalist and most of those boxers don´t have many international bouts. Most of those records (if not all) are estimated and in some cases grossly fabricated.

[locoxelbox]

Did either Donald Curry or Ray Robinson win gold medals? If not then I would have to go with Oscar.

Robinson was stopped by World War 2 and Curry by the US boycott for the Moscow Olympics so neither had the chance of winning olympic gold.

[locoxelbox]

South Africa Heavyweight Courage Tashbala was 72-1-0 as an amateur. He lost his 1st fight and then scored 72 straight first round knockouts.


Dorian Melamad was 44-0-0, 42 knockouts as an amateur.



I believe Cuba's Kid Chocolate was 100-0-0, 86 KOs as an amateur.

As for the South Africans, never heard of them. Why didn't they win Olympic gold with records like that? KO's are rare in the amaters also.

South Africa were banned from all olympic sports from 1964-1992 due to their racist apartheid regime and weren´t allowed to compete internationally. So many of the high profile south african pro boxers never had a chance competing internationally as amateurs.

Anyway those records are a joke unless they fought half their family members over and over again.

[locoxelbox]

Sugar Ray Robinson (85-0)

Robinson lost to Billy Graham and Patsy Pesca under his given name, Walker Smith Jr.