Bernard Hopkins wants Danny Green

[D J Pawsey]

Hounddawg I was just highlighting that your a one eyed Green supporter.

[Mark pawsey]

Well hounddawg you say that I don't know about business, well I know about the boxing business. I remember some time ago you said why would Garth Wood fight someone like me before he fights Mundine, you said it's not good preparation. Well if was going to fight me they would of assumed that the chances of me beating him would be low, there for I would be a low risk opponent. Why if you already had a big pay day lined up would you risk fighting someone before hand that would beat you? It doesn't make sense & that's very clear that you know nothing about how the business side of boxing works mr business man.

[Monty]

i thought it was common knowledge that it was a guaranteed min' 3 mill.....do you know different Anton?

Tickets range was 55 to 1,000 bucks. The joint was half full...so where did all the millions fall from??
Certainly not form OZ Main Event & US Versus
RJJ was co-promoter, so any reported Guarantee is absolute bullshit

In case you didn't realize, the fight was scripted along the line of recent Fenech/Nelson shindig, but Greeny, to make himself ultimate OZ hero, ditched the script so he could claim he stopped 'Legendary' RJJ

Sorry A-bomb - was this an attempt to post as many erroneous claims in one post as was humanly possible? If so, you hit the mark!

[Mark pawsey]

You'd hope not.

Green would get crucified for taking the fight.

If he beats Cameron, i want him to fight Wlod again. Then Tarver with strict testing, then hang em up.

Hey lapddawg yeah that would make sense getting him to fight Tarver again who has already knocked him out.

[Brute]

Tarver is a drug cheat.

[buster007]

yeah cause nobody ever won a rematch after losing the first bout.

don't care whether a tarver rematch did happen, i'd watch it though.

but i think it could gain a huge following with good marketing. it's a dream for them.

big mouth yank is trying to come downunder without his box of steroids to prove it was a legit ko.

green playing the underdog rocky who vows tarver cannot win when he is clean.

and they don't even have to do the tests either. most casuals won't even notice that the 2 guys won't be tested anyway.

[Hounddawg]

You'd hope not.

Green would get crucified for taking the fight.

If he beats Cameron, i want him to fight Wlod again. Then Tarver with strict testing, then hang em up.

Hey lapddawg yeah that would make sense getting him to fight Tarver again who has already knocked him out.

Lapdawg is what you were aiming for, and i love it...well done sincerely

You just don't get it mate, it makes all the farken sense and $ in the world.

Please read a smarter persons comments in Buster, that's the angle and the marketing campaign i'd run with as well.

My appoligies, it was you that thought Green was losing, what did he do to you, knock you back for a spot on his card.....what?

[Mark pawsey]

Hey Lapddawg the more you talk about boxing the you reveal how little you know about it, Hyder did actualy & ask me to fight on a Green once, so much for someones mouth stopping them from getting a pay day, anyway can't you see that I write stuff about Green to get a rise out of people? & it works everytime. I agree that fighting Tarver again would sell but it's sending Green to the wolves.

[Mark pawsey]

Tarver is a drug cheat.

No evidence he was against Green but.

[Brute]

Tarver is a drug cheat.

No evidence he was against Green but.

You think he suddenly decided to start using steroids in his 40s? Remember the Seoul Olympics when Ben Johnson lost his 100m gold medal because he failed his drug test? Turned out the three guys who got the medals were on the gear as well, but Johnson was the only one who stopped taking it too late. I think Tarver did a Ben.

[Mark pawsey]

Tarver is a drug cheat.

No evidence he was against Green but.

You think he suddenly decided to start using steroids in his 40s? Remember the Seoul Olympics when Ben Johnson lost his 100m gold medal because he failed his drug test? Turned out the three guys who got the medals were on the gear as well, but Johnson was the only one who stopped taking it too late. I think Tarver did a Ben.

was he tested against Green? It wouldn't be hard to find out if he was tested or not.

[Brute]

Probably not. People who get away with bad behaviour for a long time come to believe they are entitled to act that way.
( Alan Jones! Come on down!)

[Hounddawg]

Hey Lapddawg the more you talk about boxing the you reveal how little you know about it, Hyder did actualy & ask me to fight on a Green once, so much for someones mouth stopping them from getting a pay day, anyway can't you see that I write stuff about Green to get a rise out of people? & it works everytime. I agree that fighting Tarver again would sell but it's sending Green to the wolves.

Lapdawg, it least insult me with correct term. Nice job mate keep scoring points

Sending to the wolves, mate thats what we all ask for, our best to fight the best, i think his career would suffer nothing if he could avenge at least 1 of his loss's.
Mate just because i don't follow your career, doesn't make me know any less about the sport. As most do, i follow champions and talent, our current champions were earmarked by myself well before the majority gave a shit.

[Mark pawsey]

Hey Lapddawg the more you talk about boxing the you reveal how little you know about it, Hyder did actualy & ask me to fight on a Green once, so much for someones mouth stopping them from getting a pay day, anyway can't you see that I write stuff about Green to get a rise out of people? & it works everytime. I agree that fighting Tarver again would sell but it's sending Green to the wolves.

Lapdawg, it least insult me with correct term. Nice job mate keep scoring points

Sending to the wolves, mate thats what we all ask for, our best to fight the best, i think his career would suffer nothing if he could avenge at least 1 of his loss's.
Mate just because i don't follow your career, doesn't make me know any less about the sport. As most do, i follow champions and talent, our current champions were earmarked by myself well before the majority gave a shit.

I know you didnt follow my career but your the one that always makes comments about it everytime I say something about Green. I can't make comments about your career because you didn't have one. If your a true Danny Green fan you wouldn't like to see him get back in there with one of the bloke that knocked him, are you blood thirsty or what?

[Sweet P]

What purpose would Green fighting Tarver again serve. Its not like it was competitive the first time. Tarver is another level to Green.
Green copped a belting off Tarver and then got a late beating off Wlod. At his age now it wouldnt be a smart move to cop another hiding.

[buster007]

cash is the main reason.

its one of his best possible paydays.

green should be much better in a rematch. he really only tried to win the fight for about 30 seconds in round 7 or something, and he had tarver hurt.
he just did not back himself for most of the fight and tarver ran the show and dominated.

[Mark pawsey]

cash is the main reason.

its one of his best possible paydays.

green should be much better in a rematch. he really only tried to win the fight for about 30 seconds in round 7 or something, and he had tarver hurt.
he just did not back himself for most of the fight and tarver ran the show and dominated.

All the money in the world means nothing if your punch drunk, he has no change in beating Tarver & will get hurt again if he fights him again.

[buster007]

no chance?

rubbish!!!

[Mark pawsey]

What purpose would Green fighting Tarver again serve. Its not like it was competitive the first time. Tarver is another level to Green.
Green copped a belting off Tarver and then got a late beating off Wlod. At his age now it wouldnt be a smart move to cop another hiding.

That's the one there are other people on this forum that see reality. I get called deluded for speaking reality.

[Hounddawg]

My Bad, Mark, and my appoligies for the deluded remark, any person willing to lace em up has my respect, i just don't see your need to want to get a rise out of people by putting Green down all the time, and your reasoning wreaks of hatred for the man, not Knowledge.

The comment about Wood 2 years ago, was not based on you as i explained then, it was about Mundine ensuring that Wood not fight any threatening fight before they met.
Now i stand by that comment, in no way was it having a go at you, as any boxing person would have realised you were being sent to the lions, nothing to do with your ability, it was on your expierence. On paper it looked even, but Wood just finished fighting Kani,Oganov & Kariuki, when i believe you had just fought Allen????( Not sure if this correct) a tough journeymen never the less, but a completely different class all together at the time......i thought i explained this last time out?

Anyways as i explained to your brother, kind of thought this was fun from time to time, just don't have the time anymore.
I wish you all the best sincerely.

[Hounddawg]

What purpose would Green fighting Tarver again serve. Its not like it was competitive the first time. Tarver is another level to Green.
Green copped a belting off Tarver and then got a late beating off Wlod. At his age now it wouldnt be a smart move to cop another hiding.

I disagree there mate, not saying Green wins, just think that Tarver that fought Kayode looked rather sluggish and unfit and was juicing.
You know the game pretty well Ben, please tell me that you don't think Tarver just up'd and decided to take steriods this late in life and it was a 1 of affair?
I have not seen Tarver that in shape for years, he looked awesome and i take nothing away from that victory, it was Greens most devastating defeat and a real beating towards the end. However, Green did have round 1 and 7 to his credit and clearly had Tarver in trouble in round 7, so there's stock to take from that fight.

I believe he also fought the wrong fight completely, and i believe he and Hyder also believe this and hence the performance against Wlod for the first 8 or 9 rounds, conditioning factored in the end result. At this weight, holding is not crowd pleasing but effective, and this would have ensured Green won the fight against Wlod.

I've watched Green his whole career, and yes i'm a big fan, from an unbiased stand point, he has evolved and learn't from his mistakes over time, and i believe at least the Wlod rematch should be considered.
I don't want to see him hurt, just hoping he gets the legacy he's been chasing since coming out of retirement, finishing a career without avenging a loss hurts this imo( i'm sure there a plenty of cases proving otherwise), just think it's nesacary, and possible.

Green has been lucky, he's had 2 extremely tough fights in an entire career, and whenever he's been tested, he's mopped the floor or been pot shotted to a points loss or DQed. Don't really think it's unreasonable to ask from a fans or fighters point of view.

[Sweet P]

I hear what your saying Houndog. I just dont think Green can beat Tarver.
Ive always followed his career being from Perth and really think he has done well with his skills. Tarver is just better in all departments. His movement, accurate punches and southpaw stance are just all wrong for Greeny in my opinion. Green has never dealt well with guys who could use there feet well.

[Hounddawg]

I hear what your saying Houndog. I just dont think Green can beat Tarver.
Ive always followed his career being from Perth and really think he has done well with his skills. Tarver is just better in all departments. His movement, accurate punches and southpaw stance are just all wrong for Greeny in my opinion. Green has never dealt well with guys who could use there feet well.

All good points mate, not disagreeing on the above, however i think his boxing skills have improved immensly since his move to cruiser, more so because he couldn't just blow everyone out in 2 or 3 rounds. from a fans point of view, the majority fail to recognize the improvement in ability, but the Flores and Wlod fight were evident and he probably wasn't the bigger puncher so to speak, he won and was winning the fight, some sort of ability was used outside of his power, at LT heavy his skills were never needed.

So people understand RJJ was my favorite fighter when an Australian wasn't in the opposite corner, so i recognize the skill set and career of Tarver( some don't believe that his worthy of the hall????, i think he's a lock). I really agree about foot movement, best counter to power punching...quick feet.

I don't care if he wins, i just believe the rematch would be closer than what we saw the first time( father time, better game plan & drug testing).
And for the record, i would rather Green rematch Wlod than Tarver, which was my original suggestion, before being misunderstood.
I just believe rematch's build character, people and history seem to endear to it, and if he really has a look at the way he went about both fights, theres a chance to succeed in his quest for legacy, if he doesn't, he loss's nothing, has a massive bank roll, and people who dog him, have nothing left to nay say about......which i'm still gob smacked about.
The most high profile fights in Australia in the last 10 years have virtually all been his, gratitude a plenty from me. Boxing was always on the front page with these fights. Can only imagine how many casual fans flocked to boxing sites with the notion of following the sport with more interest, only to hear from regular members that it was a fix, a hoax the sport had become and turned away feeling stupid....just saying.

[Brute]

What purpose would Green fighting Tarver again serve. Its not like it was competitive the first time. Tarver is another level to Green.
Green copped a belting off Tarver and then got a late beating off Wlod. At his age now it wouldnt be a smart move to cop another hiding.

Yeah, no beaten fighter wins a rematch.

Patterson/Johanssen, Griffiths/Benvenutti, Walcott/Charles, Graziano/Zale, all imagined.

[Perseus]

Beaten fighter winning a rematch?

Tarver/Harding 2
Tarver/Jones jr 2
Tarver/Johnson 2

Although he was clearly defeated he did better against Dawson the second time around too.

Green in rematches:
Delisle- KO'd him the first time and again in rematch but needed more rounds.

Beyer- DQ'd for intentional headbutts in a fight he was winning by a mile the first time, clearly outboxed the second time.

Rematches don't seem to be the path to success for Green.
Tarver's name would not be familiar to us if nobody ever gave him a rematch.