I would think that Lew Jenkins was the best puncher in
the lightweight division. Of course, I chose Roberto
Duran as the best puncher in the same division who
was active during the last thirty-five years.
Stanley Ketchell is an excellent choice as the best
puncher in the middleweight division. Another
possible choice was Bob Fitzsimmons.
- Chuck Johnston
Hardest puncher of all time
Re: Hardest Punchers of the Last Thirty-Five Years
Good list, although I may replace Mugabi with Julian Jackson.Chuck1052 wrote:My List of the Hardest Punchers of the Past Thirty-Five
Years
Heavyweight- Earnie Shavers
Light-Heavyweight- Bob Foster
Middleweight- John Mugabi
Welterweight- Thomas Hearns
Lightweight- Roberto Duran
Featherweight- Alexis Arguello
Bantamweight- Carlos Zarate
Flyweight- Humberto Gonzalez
Heres my top ten hardest punchers per original eight divisons of all time:
Heavyweight-Ernie Shavers- Ali fought Liston,Frazier and Foreman and said Shavers punched harder then all of them. Nuff said.
lightheavy- Bob Fritzsimmons-Style crude compared to today, but power undeniable.
middleweight- Julian Jackson-power almost comic-bookish. Those who saw him fight know what I mean.
welterweight- Thomas Hearns- Ko'd Duran and Cuevas, each with one punch. Definitely nuff said.
lightweight- Edwin Rosario- Hit like a lightweight Julian Jackson. If he had a better chin, we would be one of the greatest p4p of all time.
Featherweight- Naseem Hamed- Had no real boxing skill to speak of, but succeeded as much as he did because of his frightning power. A true one punch ko artist if there ever was one.
BantamWeight- Rueben Olivares- Didnt train hard,Liked to party with fans, rarely used his considerable boxing skill. Raw power made him a legend anyway.
Flyweight-Jimmy Wilde- Of coarse I never saw him fight, but read enough about him to make an educated guess that he's #1 of the flyweights.
Heavyweight-Ernie Shavers- Ali fought Liston,Frazier and Foreman and said Shavers punched harder then all of them. Nuff said.
lightheavy- Bob Fritzsimmons-Style crude compared to today, but power undeniable.
middleweight- Julian Jackson-power almost comic-bookish. Those who saw him fight know what I mean.
welterweight- Thomas Hearns- Ko'd Duran and Cuevas, each with one punch. Definitely nuff said.
lightweight- Edwin Rosario- Hit like a lightweight Julian Jackson. If he had a better chin, we would be one of the greatest p4p of all time.
Featherweight- Naseem Hamed- Had no real boxing skill to speak of, but succeeded as much as he did because of his frightning power. A true one punch ko artist if there ever was one.
BantamWeight- Rueben Olivares- Didnt train hard,Liked to party with fans, rarely used his considerable boxing skill. Raw power made him a legend anyway.
Flyweight-Jimmy Wilde- Of coarse I never saw him fight, but read enough about him to make an educated guess that he's #1 of the flyweights.
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the one wrote
- well how bout this, ernie shavers himself said in his book that joe louis had the greatest right hand of all time.
- so just because what ali said u make up ur opinion???Heavyweight-Ernie Shavers- Ali fought Liston,Frazier and Foreman and said Shavers punched harder then all of them. Nuff said.
- well how bout this, ernie shavers himself said in his book that joe louis had the greatest right hand of all time.
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the one wrote
i disagree, sandy saddler, terry mcgovern, and danny lopez all hit harder and knocked out much better competetionFeatherweight- Naseem Hamed- Had no real boxing skill to speak of, but succeeded as much as he did because of his frightning power. A true one punch ko artist if there ever was one.
I disagree. In his pre-title days at Bantamweight & Super-Bantamweight Hamed was almost imposssible to hit with a clean shot and showed good skills.theone wrote:Featherweight- Naseem Hamed- Had no real boxing skill to speak of, .
It was just than in his Featherweight Title reign he started very quickly to believe his own hype, got lazy and neglected his skills.
- so just because what ali said u make up ur opinion???
Naw. Holmes, Norton and a host of other heavyweights, from the greatest era in heavyweight history, said it too.
well how bout this, ernie shavers himself said in his book that joe louis had the greatest right hand of all time. Thumbs Up
I respect Ernie's opinion if he said that. If he meant greater in terms of what Louis accomplished with it, okay. If he meant for pure power, I disagree with him. I think he punched harder.
disagree. In his pre-title days at Bantamweight & Super-Bantamweight Hamed was almost imposssible to hit with a clean shot and showed good skills.
I see what your saying KOJOE. But i give credit to him being hard to hit for his god given reflex and speed nmot to any technical skill. For instance, Joe Louis was a better scientific fighter, but Ali was much harder to hit because he got by on natural talent. Same as Roy Jones.
i disagree, sandy saddler, terry mcgovern, and danny lopez all hit harder and knocked out much better competetion
Great choices Brockton, I respect those pick but only slightly disagree. Saddler and Mcgovern knocked out much better fighters because they were much better fighters than Hamed. Not neccassarily harder punchers. Its too close for me to really argue with you about though.
Naw. Holmes, Norton and a host of other heavyweights, from the greatest era in heavyweight history, said it too.
well how bout this, ernie shavers himself said in his book that joe louis had the greatest right hand of all time. Thumbs Up
I respect Ernie's opinion if he said that. If he meant greater in terms of what Louis accomplished with it, okay. If he meant for pure power, I disagree with him. I think he punched harder.
disagree. In his pre-title days at Bantamweight & Super-Bantamweight Hamed was almost imposssible to hit with a clean shot and showed good skills.
I see what your saying KOJOE. But i give credit to him being hard to hit for his god given reflex and speed nmot to any technical skill. For instance, Joe Louis was a better scientific fighter, but Ali was much harder to hit because he got by on natural talent. Same as Roy Jones.
i disagree, sandy saddler, terry mcgovern, and danny lopez all hit harder and knocked out much better competetion
Great choices Brockton, I respect those pick but only slightly disagree. Saddler and Mcgovern knocked out much better fighters because they were much better fighters than Hamed. Not neccassarily harder punchers. Its too close for me to really argue with you about though.
Well if someone has experienced the punch perhaps they may know more than any of us just how hard someone can hit. Wepner describing Liston's power and Shavers describing Lyle's may be about as good a testament as there is. Shaver's on Lyles is pretty good testament too but Shaver's opinion on Joe is about as good as anyone's who really know and studied the sport.
Naseem had great talent but never followed up with disciplined learning. But in the early going if you can keep from getting hit it does not matter what the source of your elusivness is. You will need skills to keep it up as your youth wanes though.
As far as him being the phenom of the division for all time I'm not sure I'm convinced. He himself was pretty impressed with his own power and you can see him many times hit someone and just watch their reaction.
So he was a great advertizer of his own work. I'm not sure he was tested all that well.
Naseem had great talent but never followed up with disciplined learning. But in the early going if you can keep from getting hit it does not matter what the source of your elusivness is. You will need skills to keep it up as your youth wanes though.
As far as him being the phenom of the division for all time I'm not sure I'm convinced. He himself was pretty impressed with his own power and you can see him many times hit someone and just watch their reaction.
So he was a great advertizer of his own work. I'm not sure he was tested all that well.
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I gave my opinion on who i think is the hardest punching heavyweight ever was. I gave it in a short sentence akin to a sound bite, because I was also mentioning 7 other fighters and did not want to get into any drawn out explainations for all of them.
- so just because what ali said u make up ur opinion???
Here you question my opinion and for some reason give me Shavers opinion that Louis is the hardest hitting heavyweight ever. I give you a more detailed reason why I think Shavers is the hardest hitting heavyweight ever then state that I respect Shavers opinion though I disagree with it. If you would not have given me Shavers opinion I would not have replied to you about it.
Hey theone. That was my point, Ernie saying Joe hit the hardest is just another opinion albeit a rather educated one.
I see exactly what your point is. Your implying that my opinion is not educated. The albeit tipped me off.
Well, I believe my opinion on Shavers was quite educated. Ali has fought arguably four(Liston,Frazier,Foreman,Shavers) of the ten hardest punching heavyweights ever, and a couple of honorable mentions like Norton and Lyle. Ali said Shavers was by far the hardest puncher of them all. Holmes fought his share of power punches including Mike Tyson, another one of the top ten hardest punching heavys ever. Holmes said Shavers was the hardest puncher he ever faced. He even repeated it after fighting Tyson.
Norton, Lyle, Cobb and alot of others echoed their opinion. so wouldnt you say it's an educated opinion if one believes that Shavers was the hardest punching heavyweight ever?
Shavers never fought Joe Louis; so theres no way he could know first hand how hard Louis hit. He cant compare it to how hard Quarry punched him, or Lyle or Holmes or anybody. He could only guess by what he saw from Louis's fights or what people who fought Louis told him.
My opinion is formed by people who actually fought Shavers and other devastating punchers of all time and stated Shavers hit harder.
Sounds like my opinion is a tad more educated than the great Shavers.
- so just because what ali said u make up ur opinion???
Here you question my opinion and for some reason give me Shavers opinion that Louis is the hardest hitting heavyweight ever. I give you a more detailed reason why I think Shavers is the hardest hitting heavyweight ever then state that I respect Shavers opinion though I disagree with it. If you would not have given me Shavers opinion I would not have replied to you about it.
Hey theone. That was my point, Ernie saying Joe hit the hardest is just another opinion albeit a rather educated one.
I see exactly what your point is. Your implying that my opinion is not educated. The albeit tipped me off.
Well, I believe my opinion on Shavers was quite educated. Ali has fought arguably four(Liston,Frazier,Foreman,Shavers) of the ten hardest punching heavyweights ever, and a couple of honorable mentions like Norton and Lyle. Ali said Shavers was by far the hardest puncher of them all. Holmes fought his share of power punches including Mike Tyson, another one of the top ten hardest punching heavys ever. Holmes said Shavers was the hardest puncher he ever faced. He even repeated it after fighting Tyson.
Norton, Lyle, Cobb and alot of others echoed their opinion. so wouldnt you say it's an educated opinion if one believes that Shavers was the hardest punching heavyweight ever?
Shavers never fought Joe Louis; so theres no way he could know first hand how hard Louis hit. He cant compare it to how hard Quarry punched him, or Lyle or Holmes or anybody. He could only guess by what he saw from Louis's fights or what people who fought Louis told him.
My opinion is formed by people who actually fought Shavers and other devastating punchers of all time and stated Shavers hit harder.
Sounds like my opinion is a tad more educated than the great Shavers.
Have you not seen his devestating KO of Cooney...that was brutal...the vicious uppercut followed by the downward right...Cooney was about to fall just before George delivered the right...crushing powerBrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:george foreman rarely knocked guys out with one punch.
the hardest hitter is defitnely joe louis or sonny liston. one punch and gone.
guys like max baer and rocky marciano's right hands rank them very high
hardest puncher
although all the fighters mentioned are all time greats i think you will find you are all wrong. experts in the computer world say the hardest puncher of all times (although not a great fighter) was frank bruno.. his single shot apparently was so devastating that experts say it was sheer luck that he never killed anyone...
ROD
ROD
Hey theone, I'll try again but you need to let go of the paranoia your sounding like you caught us with the strawberries. What was imbedded in my statement was that Ernies opinion is to be respected but may not be definitive.
We may not agree on everything and I can be caustic in my remarks but I read your opinions with no prejudice, I think we have agreed on a few things which proves to me you can be brilliant on occasion.
We may not agree on everything and I can be caustic in my remarks but I read your opinions with no prejudice, I think we have agreed on a few things which proves to me you can be brilliant on occasion.
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ahhh very good. i have heard this before. its hard to believe since he didnt knock out great fighters with one punch. and no one ever spoke of him as deadly a hitter as say mike tyson. mike tyson took his best punch and didnt even go down.although all the fighters mentioned are all time greats i think you will find you are all wrong. experts in the computer world say the hardest puncher of all times (although not a great fighter) was frank bruno.. his single shot apparently was so devastating that experts say it was sheer luck that he never killed anyone...
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Donovan Ruddock
I never thought Frank Bruno was a strong candidate. Woulden't his contemporary Donovan Ruddock have stronger credentials?
I remember this story.
It was first published around the time of either the Bruno v Witherspoon or first Bruno v Tyson fight. I read it in one of the daily newspapers. It claimed something like being hit by Frank Bruno was like being hit by a 15lb padded mallet at 25mph.
I don't know how they measured it or recall them testing any other boxers punch.
It was first published around the time of either the Bruno v Witherspoon or first Bruno v Tyson fight. I read it in one of the daily newspapers. It claimed something like being hit by Frank Bruno was like being hit by a 15lb padded mallet at 25mph.
I don't know how they measured it or recall them testing any other boxers punch.
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Bruno was way too mechanical to really let loose, but then again hitting a padded object for testing is a lot different than hitting an opponent...I don't put much faith at all into any kind of computerized tests because they just don't prove true punching force like it is in an actual boxing match.
Anyone can punch with probably anywhere from 250 to 500 lbs more pressure when they are punching a stationary target set up entirely for such a thing, which is completely opposite from punching someone moving which is where it really counts.
Back at the turn of the century a group of scientists developed some kind of machine to test punch and the order of those tested went like Fitzsimmons came in last followed by Jeffries with Sam McVey punching with nearly 100, or 200 more pounds of force than either Fitzsimmons, or Jeffries.
Anyone can punch with probably anywhere from 250 to 500 lbs more pressure when they are punching a stationary target set up entirely for such a thing, which is completely opposite from punching someone moving which is where it really counts.
Back at the turn of the century a group of scientists developed some kind of machine to test punch and the order of those tested went like Fitzsimmons came in last followed by Jeffries with Sam McVey punching with nearly 100, or 200 more pounds of force than either Fitzsimmons, or Jeffries.