USA Boxing sanction update?

[WESTSIDE BOXING]

I heard a rumor this afternoon (Wednesday, Oct. 24) that USA Boxing was put on a 90 day suspension and that all shows would be cancelled, effective immediately.

Is this true? Or is this just a bad rumor...

[scallum]

Who would even have the authority to suspend usa boxing? I think lbc would just go.ahead and do.shows anyway

[david3723]

http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Boxing/Featu ... aders.aspx

Just saw this via twitter. Gotta shake my head. Wonder if team USA will be headed to the
AIBA Youth World Boxing Championships

[scallum]

So USA has to let all kids suffer because of comments made by one man? This will.not go well in the states

[Slythex]

It's more than just one guy, in the sense that 37 LBC presidents (voted by their membership) voted to keep Adonis on the USAB board of directors.

My question is that we pay our insurance premium to an unrelated third party. Not sure why/how our insurance could be cancelled (and I hope to hell USAB demands a pro rate rebate of the premium) because of AIBA. Then again, does anyone really want to be the test case to challenge this? (The answer is no)

[T Duquette]

My question is that we pay our insurance premium to an unrelated third party. Not sure why/how our insurance could be cancelled (and I hope to hell USAB demands a pro rate rebate of the premium) because of AIBA.

I said the same thing. But I supose it is possible that there is a clause in the insurance contract that says we have to be certified by AIBA to recieve coverage. To use car insurance as an example, no matter if you pay your bill on time, if you lose your lisence on Tuesday and crash on Wednesday you will not be covered...

smh

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

I'm hearing stories (over here in the UK) that US Boxing could not deal with Hal Adonis for fear of breeching Colorado state law?

Not sure of any details?

[JMac]

Adonis needs to step down NOW! Every LBC President that voted to allow him to remain on the board after he was removed as President needs to tell him step down NOW! There are many boxing shows that are scheduled during the next 3 months and it is effecting the boxers. If he really cares about the boxers and not himself, he will do the right thing and remove himself from the BOD for USAB!

[hbomb2]

Jim the right thing to do is to charge an individual of a violation and give that individual due process. That is the American Way. We have a constitution and many of your views violate what we stand for in our great nation. Many of our American AIBA officials have an elitist atttitude and prefer to have alliance with AIBA rather than with our country. I have more to say but will hold on as many are biased because of dislike of individuals. I stand on American values and our constitution rather than executing one witoutout giving due process. We do not sentence a child to death because his father violated the law here in the United States. Maybe in AIBA but not here in our great country.

[JMac]

Jim the right thing to do is to charge an individual of a violation and give that individual due process. That is the American Way. We have a constitution and many of your views violate what we stand for in our great nation. Many of our American AIBA officials have an elitist atttitude and prefer to have alliance with AIBA rather than with our country. I have more to say but will hold on as many are biased because of dislike of individuals. I stand on American values and our constitution rather than executing one witoutout giving due process. We do not sentence a child to death because his father violated the law here in the United States. Maybe in AIBA but not here in our great country.

Spare me the BS Ron, Adonis is nuts and has been for some time. I don't know how anybody voted for him in the 1st place. So are you going to say he didn't say the things he said? There were plenty of people who were there and heard him. He has screwed up USAB from the moment he got in office. He can still have his due process after he steps down and do the right thing for once.

[hbomb2]

Jim the right thing to do is to charge an individual of a violation and give that individual due process. That is the American Way. We have a constitution and many of your views violate what we stand for in our great nation. Many of our American AIBA officials have an elitist atttitude and prefer to have alliance with AIBA rather than with our country. I have more to say but will hold on as many are biased because of dislike of individuals. I stand on American values and our constitution rather than executing one witoutout giving due process. We do not sentence a child to death because his father violated the law here in the United States. Maybe in AIBA but not here in our great country.

Spare me the BS Ron, Adonis is nuts and has been for some time. I don't know how anybody voted for him in the 1st place. So are you going to say he didn't say the things he said? There were plenty of people who were there and heard him. He has screwed up USAB from the moment he got in office. He can still have his due process after he steps down and do the right thing for once.

Jim, I don't deal with BS and find it offensive that you are implying that I do. We have kids that have no intentions of going to the Olympics and our gyms are keeping them off of the streets and keeping them out of trouble while many of us are assisting them in choosing a more prosperous direction in life. This is bigger than Olympic Gold Medals. Our kids are at stake. AIBA has never attempted to make things more beneficial for the United States. The letter that went out on15 Oct should show where there interests are. All National Federations must remove the word amateur. AIBA is who is BSing you. You do not like Adonis and it is known but as I told you in an earlier conversation just because you dislike someone does not mean that they should not have the same American rights that you and I have. USAB was messed up years prior to Adonis coming in as you have access to speak with Dr. Virgets and your friends with NCBA.

I have seen a lot for a very long time. AIBA does not have the authority to stop amateur boxing in the United States they may prevent us from competing in World Championships and the Olympic Games. In which they seem to be doing a great job as the WSB took slots in 2012 without an American. 2016 the APB will take another slot and we shall see how many Americans will fill those slots. When we boycotted the Olympics in 1980 our gyms did not close down and they will not now.

Wake up and stop attempting to be an elitist AIBA supporter as their values of monopolising the sport of boxing is un-American.

[JMac]

Wake up and stop attempting to be an elitist AIBA supporter as their values of monopolising the sport of boxing is un-American.

Uh...un-American? monopolizing? This is about Adonis and his failures as a leader. He has said some really stupid things in public and in interviews. He made some really bad decisions as a leader. What has he done that was good? He made lots of promises to people for their votes and by fulfilling those promises, he set USAB back years. We are not better off with him that is for sure. Did we have problems before he became President, sure we did but when we were working to make improvements, he came in a screwed them up which was on top of all of dumb, defamatory statements he made about most women boxers are gay and if a kid has not been physically abused he won't be a good boxer. How can you support this guy?

[scallum]

Wtf is going on ? Dude should have stepped down the second this went into effect. Why isnt the dreams of kifs bein putfirsf? The National Silver Gloves starts in 8 days and now all that work kids put in is down the toilet. My kid was so.depressed he did not even want to get put of bed today. Adults should not get in the way.of kids dreams

[scallum]

Saw some 10 yr old kid almost in tears the other day trying to make weight for Silver Gloves in 8 days and now its cancelled because of selfish.adults? Shame on you egotistical adults

[vidaboxing]

At this point, we should all be focusing on how to get this suspension lifted asap, of course and obviously it would be helpful if Adonis stepped down immediately, however, is that going to be good enough for the AIBA.......................something needs to be done immediately, because there are several local Silver Gloves tournaments starting next week. What are the chances of this suspension being resolved by next week ?

[scallum]

At this point, we should all be focusing on how to get this suspension lifted asap, of course and obviously it would be helpful if Adonis stepped down immediately, however, is that going to be good enough for the AIBA.......................something needs to be done immediately, because there are several local Silver Gloves tournaments starting next week. What are the chances of this suspension being resolved by next week ?

Usa boxing should tell that guy to step down asap, he should've just done it on his own. Kids are caught in the middle if this bs, should they continue to train for a tournament that isnt going to happen or should they hold on to the hope it may be resolved before next week. Somebody from Usa should let the kids know something ASAP

[vidaboxing]

I definitely agree, and let's hope that they will keep the communication open and keep us posted on the situation................let's continue to be optomistic that this will get resolved quickly in the best interest of the sport and most of all for the kids. And, let's hope this never happens again in the future, there needs to be some kind of guidelines set before any suspension of any kind is warranted.

[JMac]

I definitely agree, and let's hope that they will keep the communication open and keep us posted on the situation................let's continue to be optomistic that this will get resolved quickly in the best interest of the sport and most of all for the kids. And, let's hope this never happens again in the future, there needs to be some kind of guidelines set before any suspension of any kind is warranted.

Hopefully, this letter from Dr Butler to AIBA Pres. CK Wu will help the situation:
http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Boxing/Featu ... CK-Wu.aspx

[toddh5220]

To all LBC presidents of USA Boxing,


Like all of you I am in receipt of the most recent memo from USA Boxing about our immediate suspension. I’m a little shocked by the outrage of all of you. Earlier this year you were asked to vote on the future of Hal Adonis, after his public statements in Los Angeles, and then again in the New Yorker magazine, 17 of you voted to remove Mr. Adonis, with 34 of you voting to retain him on the board of directors. Prior to the vote I spoke to many of you about this, I let you know that I thought USOC decertification, and or AIBA suspension were very real possibilities; most of you responded the “AIBA and the USOC would not dare do that” in fact many of you referred back to Gary Pliner’s statement that he told the USOC, “you had better not attempt to decertify us” while others said AIBA wouldn’t. The way I see it there are 17 of you that should be deservedly outraged, the other 34 have no place to speak. In fact I asked those that intended to vote for Mr. Adonis, how they would go back to their constituents and tell them that there was no amateur boxing if things went that direction, many of you had no reply.

I’m not sure what the thought process is here, as I said above, the shock of most of you is a touch confusing. The problem, at least as I see it, is that none of the 34 voters want to take responsibility of their actions. Instead they want to point the finger at AIBA and the USOC. What kind of message do we sent our athletes when we, as responsible adults, will not take responsibility for our action. I know my words here will infuriate some, if not all, of the 34 voters that voted to allow Hal Adonis to remain on the board, and for those of you that did, I have one question; what did you think was going to happen? In fact part of Mr. Adonis’s defense (as he stated so many times if someone would listen, was that this was the will of USA Boxing, the delegates voted what their members wanted) You were told that our parent organizations were watching, and you spat in their faces, now you want to walk away cleanly, I just don’t understand.

A great man once told me, “If you want to start a fire, be prepared to be a fireman”, basically telling me you always have to have a solution if a problem exists. He is my suggestion for a solution. To the 34 voting delegates that supported Hal Adonis, come forward, have integrity, admit your decision and stand behind it. Let’s go to your LBC members and ask them if your vote represented their views, if they did then we can mount a fight, but if they didn’t I would encourage you to step down, because you 34 did not represent the stance of USA Boxing, or it’s members. I would be willing to bet that MAYBE, and I seriously mean maybe there might be one of the 34 voting delegates left, but I doubt that is the case; in fact I’d be pretty willing to wager that most of you didn’t discuss the matter with your constituents before you voted. I know you did not communicate it to your people, as shown now that most of you do not remember level 1 officials certification where we show USA Boxing’s parent organizations are THE IOC, AIBA, AND THE USOC, and most of you don’t know (according to the phone calls I am receiving) that AIBA has the power to suspend us as a member of them, that a condition to our membership to the USOC is membership in AIBA, and that our insurance coverage is predicated on our being the national governing body of amateur boxing in the United States. It’s interesting that many of you are citing due process, how much more due process do you want? You were given a choice you voted (with all the information mind you), we were served proper noting from AIBA, we responded were heard, and they ruled, what do we want now?

I will conclude this by saying be very careful at this point, even if Dr. Butler can have this suspension lifted, we still have to get ourselves right. I think a huge step would be that the people that created the mess come out of hiding defend their positions, and do the right thing. I am hopeful but not overly optimistic. Thank you for taking the time to read this, if you have any questions or comments feel free to contact me at 863-368-0849 or [email protected].

Yours in Boxing
Todd Harlib
Vice President
Florida Association of USA Boxing

[hbomb2]

I definitely agree, and let's hope that they will keep the communication open and keep us posted on the situation................let's continue to be optomistic that this will get resolved quickly in the best interest of the sport and most of all for the kids. And, let's hope this never happens again in the future, there needs to be some kind of guidelines set before any suspension of any kind is warranted.

Hopefully, this letter from Dr Butler to AIBA Pres. CK Wu will help the situation:
http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Boxing/Featu ... CK-Wu.aspx

I find it very interesting that the National Office did not forward the letter from AIBA to the LBC presidents but forward the letter from Dr. Butler to the presidents. I also find it rather peculiar that AIBA did not post our suspension on their website as they usually do post such news to all NFs. Not saying that they did not attempt to suspend USA Boxing but I have been around for quite sometime. I also know that Dr. Tom Virgets is the chairman of the disciplinary commission. Would he vote to suspend boxing here in the United States? He is American.

An enlightened mind is not hoodwinked; it is not shut up in a
gloomy prison till it thinks the walls of its dungeon the limits of the
universe, and the reach of its own chain the outer verge of intelligence.

Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (Thanks Liz)

The LBC's, Athlete members and Non-Athlete members are being played as pawns in a power stuggle. The quote is perfect as some are making comments and have no idea what is really going on.

Did you ever think that one that has the authority to suspend many has the authority to suspend one. Why hurt the innocent should one have that type of authority.

The individual was removed from the presidency. That was not punishment enough so AIBA says.

This individual does not need to be in a position to place agenda items, vote or make motions... make motions to terminate. Power struggle!!! Why in the world would anyone need be terminated?...

Check the financials? Was an individual being paid as the Olympic coach before the proper procedures were completed? OOHHH is that why we selected a headcoach that could not be on the floor. I am not bashing my friend as he was a victim of circumstance as were the coaches that applied for the position in which they had no opportunity in getting.

I am all over the place...

Some will accuse me of jealousy or even supporting Adonis.

I will let you know that I only want is equal opportunity and rights for all.

I think that all should go as they have no care for the grassroots...AIBA should go! Dr. Butler should go! Anthony Bartkowski should go! Hal Adonis should go! The entire BOD should go! LBC presidents we need a leader that is not solely about personal self preservation but about making our youth champions inside and outside of the boxing ring. We need an Executive Director that has the ability to rub elbows with CEOs of major cooporations to get money and exposure.

We need a President that will speak with AIBA about the best interests of the United States along with compromise.

Some may not like me but I tell you the truth and have even more to tell!!!

Have a blessed day!

Ron

[burnscs]

Easy solution, reinstate boxing in the 17 LBC's that voted for his resignation. My LBC (Niagara) asked for his resignation via letter prior to vote, voted him out, and are still being given the same treatment as those who saw him fit to stay. We have contact Dr. Wu about this and put this as an option to remedy some of the problem.

[vidaboxing]

USA AMATEUR BOXING REINSTATED - ALL ACTIVITIES CAN PROCEED, EVEN THE BOXING TOURNAMENTS...........all it takes is communication and positivity !!! Thank you Dr. Butler !!!

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

Are you guys fully up to speed with the caveats attached to AIBAs readmittance of US Boxing?

It will require amendment to your statutes to remove the word amateur, and write in acceptance of the WSB and APB initiatives. This will require any coach who is working with or has any dealings with other pro bodies to sever those ties!

[JMac]

Are you guys fully up to speed with the caveats attached to AIBAs readmittance of US Boxing?

It will require amendment to your statutes to remove the word amateur, and write in acceptance of the WSB and APB initiatives. This will require any coach who is working with or has any dealings with other pro bodies to sever those ties!

That would only affect coaches that want to work with national teams for international bouts. To be honest, I haven't read what AIBA put out yet but it could never affect the local coach who works with pros and does not care about international level of amateur boxing. AIBA would never know about the local coaches and I doubt USAB would know either or even try to enforce something like that.

[hbomb2]

Are you guys fully up to speed with the caveats attached to AIBAs readmittance of US Boxing?

It will require amendment to your statutes to remove the word amateur, and write in acceptance of the WSB and APB initiatives. This will require any coach who is working with or has any dealings with other pro bodies to sever those ties!

That would only affect coaches that want to work with national teams for international bouts. To be honest, I haven't read what AIBA put out yet but it could never affect the local coach who works with pros and does not care about international level of amateur boxing. AIBA would never know about the local coaches and I doubt USAB would know either or even try to enforce something like that.

[URGENT AND IMPORTANT]
TO: AIBA National Member Federations
DATE: October 5, 2012
SUBJECT: Adoption of AIBA Pro Boxing Program (APB) and World Series of
Boxing (WSB) in the Statutes, Articles, Constitutions or Bylaws
Dear Presidents and Secretaries General,
As you are well aware, the “Adoption of AIBA Professional Boxing (APB)” was
supported and the amended AIBA Statutes including APB were approved at the AIBA
Extraordinary Congress held on September 24, 2011 prior to the AIBA World Boxing
Championships Baku 2011.
Following the decision of the Extraordinary Congress, all 5 AIBA Confederations also
amended their Constitutions which were approved at their General Assemblies and
then by the AIBA Executive Committee on July 9, 2012 in Bangkok.
As the amendments to adopt the APB Program at AIBA’s and Confederations’ levels
have been completed, it is now time for all AIBA Member National Federations to
amend their statutes, articles, constitutions or bylaws as they are defined.
It is very important for the development of the APB Program worldwide that the
statutes, articles, constitutions or bylaws of each of AIBA’s National Federations are
updated to incorporate rules on how the APB Program will operate in its country.
Each National Federation’s statutes, articles, constitutions or bylaws must state that:
1. National Federation (NF) is responsible for both AIBA Olympic Boxing (AOB)
and APB in its country;
2. NF is subject to follow and respect the AIBA Statutes, Bylaws and Rules;
3. NF is not permitted to have any link with any existing professional boxing or
professional combat sport organization; and
4. NF cannot have elected officials who have previously been involved in
professional boxing or professional combat sport organizations unless those
persons have terminated their ties with those other professional organizations
at least one year before the election.
In 2007, at the AIBA Extraordinary Congress held in Chicago, AIBA had already
declared not to use the word of “Amateur” in the organization any longer. Now, even
further with the launch of APB, the concept of “amateur boxing” will no longer exist.
What was previously known as amateur boxing will, from now on, be known as “AIBA
Olympic Boxing” (AOB). All AIBA Member National Federations will govern their own
AOB and APB Programs in their countries.
In order to achieve this, each National Federation must rebrand itself (including
changing its name and logo if necessary) and set up a new APB department within
the National Federation to handle the day to day running of the APB Program at the
national level.
APB is due to commence toward the end of 2013. Therefore, it is imperative that all
National Federations take steps to amend their statutes, articles, constitutions or
bylaws and reshape their organization structure in the coming months.
With regard to those National Federations that already have an existing professional
boxing program, they must take steps (to the satisfaction of AIBA) to ensure that
such program is subject to the Rules and falls within the structure of APB and get
completely transformed within the next 5 years to an APB Program only.
Attached are some guidelines which will indicate you step by step how to follow
AIBA’s new initiative in order to meet the requirements related to the APB Program.
I sincerely hope that you will give your best efforts to develop the APB Program and I
promise to assist you in your future activities in this matter.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Sincerely yours,
Ching-Kuo Wu
President
cc: Mr Ho Kim, AIBA Executive Director