Sinan Sameil Sam why did he retire?

[Adamj1987]

He was on a winning streak and had just re-won the european belt. Now i am aware he was never a world beater but was a decent pro and probably would of got a klitschko fight given that albert sosnowski got one. Did i miss his retirement anouncement?

[witherspoon]

Last I heard, he was suffering from some kind of liver ailment, and retired for medical reasons. Also it's come to light that he was a heavy drinker.

[witherspoon]

Google Sinan Samil Sam liver = he was released from hospital in January after being put on the liver transplant list, suffering from cirrhosis. He recovered sufficiently that doctors decided a trans.plant was no longer necessary.
Apparently his drink of choice was schnapps. Seems like a popular choice for pugilists, if you believe Aaron Pryor.

[Rover]

Google Sinan Samil Sam liver = he was released from hospital in January after being put on the liver transplant list, suffering from cirrhosis. He recovered sufficiently that doctors decided a trans.plant was no longer necessary.
Apparently his drink of choice was schnapps. Seems like a popular choice for pugilists, if you believe Aaron Pryor.

[witherspoon]

There's nothing funny about cirrhosis of the liver. Especially for guys like me (I'm a lock for C of the L)

[Rover]

There's nothing funny about cirrhosis of the liver. Especially for guys like me (I'm a lock for C of the L)

I was laughing only at the last sentence.

[witherspoon]

I couldn't resist the urge to make that jibe. 'Schnapps' and 'Aaron Pryor' are so strongly associated in my psyche it's unreal.

[emircreed]

I am turkish, and witherspoon is right he is a heavy drinker last time i saw him in the tv program he was commenting in wladimir klitschko vs tony thompson 2 and his appearance is very bad. sinan samil sam has never been a muscular body. however he is looking like a very fat person. sorry my english isnt good enough

[Rover]

I am turkish, and witherspoon is right he is a heavy drinker last time i saw him in the tv program he was commenting in wladimir klitschko vs tony thompson 2 and his appearance is very bad. sinan samil sam has never been a muscular body. however he is looking like a very fat person. sorry my english isnt good enough

You did just fine.:)

[keithmoonhangover]

There's nothing funny about cirrhosis of the liver. Especially for guys like me (I'm a lock for C of the L)

I was laughing only at the last sentence.

What's funny about it?

[Rover]

The rehashing of the "black bottle" controversy. Ah, we'll never know, but as one pundit put it, "You don't mix water with water."

[misterpunch]

have they worked out how long it takes for a substance to start affecting the physic of an athlete? ok, i know cyanide acts in seconds but the stuff pryor had would have taken too long to change him - thats my opinion

[Adamj1987]

have they worked out how long it takes for a substance to start affecting the physic of an athlete? ok, i know cyanide acts in seconds but the stuff pryor had would have taken too long to change him - thats my opinion

Orally it depends on what it was, what he had eaten and his metabolism wold of been higher due to doing exersize so many veriables

[misterpunch]

but could anything he drank diluted in water have changed him within a round or two? if i take a good glug of scotch i'm not reeling around dizzy for maybe 20 minutes

[Adamj1987]

but could anything he drank diluted in water have changed him within a round or two? if i take a good glug of scotch i'm not reeling around dizzy for maybe 20 minutes

Im sure something could drugs work very differently the higher the strength the faster it will get into the blood stream

[Bobbyptsd]

but could anything he drank diluted in water have changed him within a round or two? if i take a good glug of scotch i'm not reeling around dizzy for maybe 20 minutes

Alcohol crosses the blood brain barrier in 7 to 9 minutes, on average.

I'd go with something else which could be diluted in water in a much higher dose. As you said, you are taking a glug of scotch, not a glug of some scotch diluted in water, it's not a very effective idea. Lots of things could be potent enough to act fast and have a big effect. There isn't a correlation of strength/speed to the bloodstream, for instance something like lithium or trazadone, as two examples, could pretty much knock someone out, but take quite a bit of time to act orally.

A fast acting, but also very potent benzo like Triazolam, or a barbiturate like secobarbital, something along those lines. It could easily affect someone within a couple of rounds and mess them up quite a bit.

[misterpunch]

right. but could a substance give an advantageous boost to the system in a similar time? my knowledge of such things is pleasingly naive!

[Bobbyptsd]

right. but could a substance give an advantageous boost to the system in a similar time? my knowledge of such things is pleasingly naive!

You mean could something help a fighter, in a very short time?

Possibly some kind of Amphetamine or even something like Cocaine which also has anesthetic properties. It could speed someone up and give them more focus and aggression, but that could cut both ways in a sport were you have to be aggressive, but careful. The bioavailibility of Cocaine isn't great, which is why most people sniff or inject it, but I'd imagine a good dose in a bottle could make a significant difference rather quick. Even Methamphetamine, but again, not great bioavailability when taken orally, and it could backfire in a sense.

My guess would be the best(relative term) bet would be to dissolve a good dose of a Phenethylamine/Amphetamine like Adderall. It is a good drug for oral administration and would act fairly quick, especially when dissolved in something. It I were looking at giving myself, or someone else an advantage, I'd go down that alley first.

But those are just a couple of possible examples.

So it's possible, sure. But imo it would be easier to fvck the other guy up, than to give yourself an advantage and be sure it wouldn't backfire(talking very short term, a couple of rounds.) Put it that way.

Obviously stimulants like Ephidrine, as an appetite suppressant to make weight, and Xylocaine, to dull pain in fragile hands, have been used in the past. But that's not the same short-term gain, oral administration we are talking about.

[misterpunch]

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