Aaron Pryor

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 29 Sep 2005, 08:31

I'd like to have seen him against DLH, Benitez and Canzoneri.

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 29 Sep 2005, 09:57

I see there is a fair few who think Aaron was overrated. I agree....I have not seen a lot of him but I did see his most notable victory against Arguello, where Aaron was considered by many to be at his peak. Well on that performance I could see a lot of Junior Welters beating him. Alexis was at most a Lightweigt and to be honest he hit Aaron so very easily, and Alexis was like a flat footed robot in that fight. Nothing special whatsoever, yet he did so very well. Can you imagine a naturally bigger, faster, more fleet footed fighter like DLH in there. I see him easily outpointing Pryor over 12rds anyway. Even Gatti at his peak would be hopping off Aaron all night, Gatti had a great chin and was superfit and threw tons of punches...he too I'd feel would be victorious. Duran would easily win and Leonard would be too big to even consider that fight

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 29 Sep 2005, 11:10

walshb wrote:I see there is a fair few who think Aaron was overrated. I agree....I have not seen a lot of him but I did see his most notable victory against Arguello, where Aaron was considered by many to be at his peak. Well on that performance I could see a lot of Junior Welters beating him. Alexis was at most a Lightweigt and to be honest he hit Aaron so very easily, and Alexis was like a flat footed robot in that fight. Nothing special whatsoever, yet he did so very well. Can you imagine a naturally bigger, faster, more fleet footed fighter like DLH in there. I see him easily outpointing Pryor over 12rds anyway. Even Gatti at his peak would be hopping off Aaron all night, Gatti had a great chin and was superfit and threw tons of punches...he too I'd feel would be victorious. Duran would easily win and Leonard would be too big to even consider that fight

If Arguello was 'nothing special' how did he manage to win titles at 126, 130 and 135 and never lose any of them in the ring and fighting the best of each division when there was much more talent about than there is today. Yes Arguello wasn't fleet footed but don't let that blind you to the fact that he was a great champion and very, very dangerous. Look at the fighters he beat. Arguello would have walked right through Delahoya and Pryorr would have overwhelmed him. With respect you should watch a lot more of both Pryor and Arguello.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 29 Sep 2005, 20:54

I'm with Silkov. You really have to see Pryor in action to see how good he was. What is is this talk with Arguello being washed up? He fought a great fight and would have won against almost anyone else. This was one of the best fights of all-time, and the rematch was pretty good too.
Some of the guys that were mentioned that could beat Pryor is just silly. He would have chewed up Mamby and Gatti.
Mayweather and Hatton haven't fought tougher competition, atleast not yet.

tiredoldngrey · Post by **tiredoldngrey** » 29 Sep 2005, 21:41

In the 2nd Arguello fight, in the 8th round, Pryor was the recipient of possibly the greatest gift he had been given in life uyp until that point in time. Arguello had been punching to the body throughout the fight and landed two very hard right hand punches that literally had Pryor sucked up when Steele inexplicably stepped in to warn Arguello for low blows, allowing Pryor time to recover.
How does Pryor stack up against other 140 pound champions? I think he beats Tszyu, who I don't believe would handle the pressure well. If Pryor could withstand the punches of the Ruissian he would win the fight. Chavez stops Pryor; he would not be overwhelmed by the volume of punches, has a great chin to take Pryor's punches, his body work would wear down Pryor, and he is overall the more skilled boxer. Pryor would be very deep water with Chavez. Frankie Randall would be a good fight for him, too. Randall could fight inside and outside, punch and take a punch. I see this one going the distance to a very close decision that could go either way.,

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 30 Sep 2005, 07:20

tiredoldngrey wrote:In the 2nd Arguello fight, in the 8th round, Pryor was the recipient of possibly the greatest gift he had been given in life uyp until that point in time. Arguello had been punching to the body throughout the fight and landed two very hard right hand punches that literally had Pryor sucked up when Steele inexplicably stepped in to warn Arguello for low blows, allowing Pryor time to recover.
How does Pryor stack up against other 140 pound champions? I think he beats Tszyu, who I don't believe would handle the pressure well. If Pryor could withstand the punches of the Ruissian he would win the fight. Chavez stops Pryor; he would not be overwhelmed by the volume of punches, has a great chin to take Pryor's punches, his body work would wear down Pryor, and he is overall the more skilled boxer. Pryor would be very deep water with Chavez. Frankie Randall would be a good fight for him, too. Randall could fight inside and outside, punch and take a punch. I see this one going the distance to a very close decision that could go either way.,

I have to disagree with you, I think Pryorr would have been far too good for Randall and would be too fast for Chavez. Look at the trouble Meldrick Taylor gave Chavez, Pryorr was as fast as Taylor but much more aggressive and a much better puncher.
Pryor beat Arguello in their 2nd fight despite having a detached retina and being unable to see out of his left eye.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 30 Sep 2005, 08:37

It's amazing how polarised the views on Pryor are. A lot of people are split on this. Pryor was obviously exceptinal physically but rather an untidy fighter. Watching him again recently I'm amazed at how much energy he seemed to use, often for no gain.

However you view him though he always put on a great show.

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 30 Sep 2005, 08:55

I love Chavez, but Pryor's workrate and chin would be too much. Aaron would be a stronger, tougher fitter version of Taylor and this sees him winning a UD gainst Julio. Speed is what beats Aaron. I've said before how easily the robotic Arguello nailed him. DLH had blazing speed, beautiful combo's, ring movement a great chin and was damn tough. Pryor would be facing a guy who punches faster that him and just as hard. DLH at his peak proved he could go 12rds with the best no bother. He coasted against Trinidad because he was well ahead, Trinidad would be far too much for Pryor. One other thing, does anyone really believe that Pryor would nail DLH as easy as he nailed Arguello. Alexis was like a punchbag because he was so flat footed. DLH was a clever boxer with the footwork to avoid a lot of those silly shots Alexis took flush......Pryor is not going to be able to catch Oscar so easy, but Oscar can most definitely nail him cleanly and frequently, just like the slower Alexis

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 30 Sep 2005, 09:08

A lot of what you say regarding outcomes works for me. I think I disagree in two areas, Chavez/Pryor would be a great match but I see Chavez coming out on top. Comparing Taylor to Pryor is an extreme stretch. Maybe I just need to ask where do you see the similarities? Speed? but Taylor was focused and disciplined speed. Pryor was just crazy. I do think Pryor would have his hands full with DLH but most people here seem to think that Alexis trumps DLH.

I may be one of those who thinks Pryor is over rated but I tend to hold grudges against fighters that take down my favorites. In this case Antonio Cervantes. I agree with you on the DLH and Trinidad outcomes.

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 30 Sep 2005, 09:39

Boxbuzz, my reasoning for Aaron beating Julio is not just his speed, it is also because of how easy Julio was too hit, how much a slow starter he was and the fact that Aaron had a great chin and super stamina. It has got to go the distance, and Pryor I feel would be far too busy throwing punches, and most would be landing because great as JC was, it is 100% true to sat that he was very easy to hit, very frequently and cleanly. Over say 20rds, I could give the edge to JC, as his body attack would have well taken its toll, but over 12, it not near enough time to subdue Aaron.....DLH would outpoint Aaron, I'm convinced of this plainly and simply because DLH had speed and ring movement. This is the key to offsetting Aaron's attack. What use are all them shots Pryor throws whe they are not connecting, just an expense of energy.