Mike mccallum vs Julian Jackson as good as haggler vs hearns

[matko]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3kbKe9cvEBI wow everyone talks about haggler vs hearns which by no doubt was awesome but. What about mccallum vs Jackson awesome fight

[Bricks]

yes it was...two very very good boxers.

[Counter-puncher]

I've said this before on this forum but I love McCallum's technique here, staying in the pocket, jab/feint the jab, roll under the right hand, counter right uppercut to the body left hook to the body, step away, jab/feint with the jab, roll, counter uppercut to the body, rinse and repeat until Jackson falls ovber. brilliant.

[orbtastic]

Julian channelling Jim Kelly there.

[dempseyfire]

Is there a good quality English-language (preferably the original American telecast) broadcast available anywhere of this fight? I haven't been able to find one . . .

[Rover]

Is there a good quality English-language (preferably the original American telecast) broadcast available anywhere of this fight? I haven't been able to find one . . .

Was this fight broadcast on American TV in English?
Every version I've seen is in Spanish.

[orbtastic]

Nah. I was about to post the same thing earlier but having watched the clip I saw it's actually a better quality video of the old one but has a bizarre double tracked commentary over the top of the original.

You'd think in this digital age of HD, on demand etc etc that an English version would surface.

[orbtastic]

Lora/Sanchez headlined the card, the only version of that appears to be a Spanish version, obviously from the same broadcast.

"el mundo del box pelea estelar"

[Bricks]

I've said this before on this forum but I love McCallum's technique here, staying in the pocket, jab/feint the jab, roll under the right hand, counter right uppercut to the body left hook to the body, step away, jab/feint with the jab, roll, counter uppercut to the body, rinse and repeat until Jackson falls ovber. brilliant.

It was a great blessing in life that as a ten year old i spent a summer staying up late all nite and ITVS transworld sport did a hour long mccallum special showing all his title fights and than showing the at the time very recent curry fight. I was hooked on how good the guy was, and than i saw him lose to kalambay, and beat graham and watson in england. I really regret growing up we didnt have sky sports so i missed the toney battles.

[FightWriter]

Damn, sounds like a great fight. I am going to have to check it out.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Hagler/hearns is overrated, but not that much. Lol

[Kalan]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3kbKe9cvEBI wow everyone talks about haggler vs hearns which by no doubt was awesome but. What about mccallum vs Jackson awesome fight

It was an awesome punchout...but I thought it was stopped a few seconds early... Jackson was tagged really hard but not completely finished off.

[davie]

https://youtu.be/PJKlp8ZRchI

No, not a Hagler vs Hearns for me.

2 things.

1. they're not as good IMO. Hagler was better than McCallum and Jackson wasn't in Hearns class IMO (although, i'd love to see Hearns vs Jackson
2. The action is just not as good. The first round has plenty of action and plenty of heavy shots, but does not turn into an all out slug fest. And the second round is too one sided. Hagler Heanrs had both fighters hurt and was back and forth action. The second round here sees McCallum basically give Jackson a hiding. I hoped there would be a rally and the action would to and fro but it never. Jackson let some big shots go (didn't he always) but he never at any point looked like he was going to turn the fight around.

A fine 5 minutes of boxing between 2 good and dangerous middleweights but not Hagler vs Hearns

[davie]

Hagler/hearns is overrated, but not that much. Lol

It kind of is, because it gets so much attention and is still held by most as the example of all out warfare in a boxing ring

But it is still an absolutely amazing fight.

Trumps this one (which I suspect was what you are getting at any way)

[Bricks]

The last round of odlh v quartey was another hagler hearns

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Lol, that fight is crazy overrated. 2 or 3 good Rds. Though the good ones were very good.

[Kalan]

https://youtu.be/PJKlp8ZRchI

No, not a Hagler vs Hearns for me.

2 things.

1. they're not as good IMO. Hagler was better than McCallum and Jackson wasn't in Hearns class IMO (although, i'd love to see Hearns vs Jackson
2. The action is just not as good. The first round has plenty of action and plenty of heavy shots, but does not turn into an all out slug fest. And the second round is too one sided. Hagler Heanrs had both fighters hurt and was back and forth action. The second round here sees McCallum basically give Jackson a hiding. I hoped there would be a rally and the action would to and fro but it never. Jackson let some big shots go (didn't he always) but he never at any point looked like he was going to turn the fight around.

A fine 5 minutes of boxing between 2 good and dangerous middleweights but not Hagler vs Hearns

I think it was better from a technical perspective.

They were both undefeated... 29-0 and 26-0... They both got under punches and defended better than Hagler and Hearns... especially McCallum, Jackson did allow McCallum to feint him and set him up a little.. He didn't look as good as his 29-0 record.. but both Hagler and Hearns were eating big shots.. Great offense but little defense like the Hagler-Mugabi fight... Hearns was wide open... I think Jackson would have found his chin if he didn't find McCallum's.

The first McCallum-Toney fight---the draw---was the best Middleweight Fight I've ever seen.

[Bricks]

Benn v Barkley was a starter heagler-hearns....to this day I feel deprived a rematch never took place in 92-93 .some say it should have taken place right away.....but man Benn was box office...he had bigger fish to fry he wanted srl-duran-hearns....he had big brit fights eubanks and watson that paid more than barkley

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Benn v Barkley was a starter heagler-hearns....to this day I feel deprived a rematch never took place in 92-93 .some say it should have taken place right away.....but man Benn was box office...he had bigger fish to fry he wanted srl-duran-hearns....he had big brit fights eubanks and watson that paid more than barkley

I remember hearing that Sugar Ray Leonard was looking at handpicking Benn as an opponent in 1990/91, but changed his mind after Benn rearranged Barkley's face!

It's just as well Benn did that because if SRL tried to come back against Benn circa 1991, it would have been the most painful night of his career.

[davie]

The first McCallum-Toney fight---the draw---was the best Middleweight Fight I've ever seen.

Just scored it in the post your scorecard thread

Excellent bout

Don't think I've watched a fight of either man I haven't enjoyed

[Bricks]

Benn v Barkley was a starter heagler-hearns....to this day I feel deprived a rematch never took place in 92-93 .some say it should have taken place right away.....but man Benn was box office...he had bigger fish to fry he wanted srl-duran-hearns....he had big brit fights eubanks and watson that paid more than barkley

I remember hearing that Sugar Ray Leonard was looking at handpicking Benn as an opponent in 1990/91, but changed his mind after Benn rearranged Barkley's face!

It's just as well Benn did that because if SRL tried to come back against Benn circa 1991, it would have been the most painful night of his career.

That would explain a lot. Benn didn't look brilliant against Dewitt and had gone ten rounds with Amparo and Williams where he seemed to develop a dancing moving style with occasional outbursts of patent violence. Against Barkley he was just a caged animal.

Ray in 1991 still had hand speed but his legs, balance and reflexes were off based on the Norris fight.

Until I read your post I woulda probably still had the view Rays fast hands and movement would be enough to outbox Benn the way he did Duran III,with benn obviously far faster cutting off the ring and much faster hands but thinking about your viewpoint I accept there is a chance Benns crude lunges would surely catch ray early and floor him and he would be overwhelmelmed in a painful 6-7 rounds in the follow up but than I think a shot but still formidable Hearns couldn't do that 18 months earlier............

I still cant get over how poor Ray looked with Norris. I buy Rays excuses that his ankle was bust and it was too late to cancel and the weight killed him, the divorce and partying and taking Norris too light.

I think Ray would train properly and outbox benn.

Don't get me wrong Benn was even in 1990 a good boxer/puncher...he could box as well as punch but it was only around 93-95 when he become the full package....a formidable world champion with much improved stamina and defensive skills.

I still take Ray in 1991

[cfang]

Totally agree both these fighters are fabulous in different ways but both also a step down from hagler hearns. A greater fight, greater fighters.

https://youtu.be/PJKlp8ZRchI

No, not a Hagler vs Hearns for me.

2 things.

1. they're not as good IMO. Hagler was better than McCallum and Jackson wasn't in Hearns class IMO (although, i'd love to see Hearns vs Jackson
2. The action is just not as good. The first round has plenty of action and plenty of heavy shots, but does not turn into an all out slug fest. And the second round is too one sided. Hagler Heanrs had both fighters hurt and was back and forth action. The second round here sees McCallum basically give Jackson a hiding. I hoped there would be a rally and the action would to and fro but it never. Jackson let some big shots go (didn't he always) but he never at any point looked like he was going to turn the fight around.

A fine 5 minutes of boxing between 2 good and dangerous middleweights but not Hagler vs Hearns

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Benn v Barkley was a starter heagler-hearns....to this day I feel deprived a rematch never took place in 92-93 .some say it should have taken place right away.....but man Benn was box office...he had bigger fish to fry he wanted srl-duran-hearns....he had big brit fights eubanks and watson that paid more than barkley

I remember hearing that Sugar Ray Leonard was looking at handpicking Benn as an opponent in 1990/91, but changed his mind after Benn rearranged Barkley's face!

It's just as well Benn did that because if SRL tried to come back against Benn circa 1991, it would have been the most painful night of his career.

That would explain a lot. Benn didn't look brilliant against Dewitt and had gone ten rounds with Amparo and Williams where he seemed to develop a dancing moving style with occasional outbursts of patent violence. Against Barkley he was just a caged animal.

Ray in 1991 still had hand speed but his legs, balance and reflexes were off based on the Norris fight.

Until I read your post I woulda probably still had the view Rays fast hands and movement would be enough to outbox Benn the way he did Duran III,with benn obviously far faster cutting off the ring and much faster hands but thinking about your viewpoint I accept there is a chance Benns crude lunges would surely catch ray early and floor him and he would be overwhelmelmed in a painful 6-7 rounds in the follow up but than I think a shot but still formidable Hearns couldn't do that 18 months earlier............

I still cant get over how poor Ray looked with Norris. I buy Rays excuses that his ankle was bust and it was too late to cancel and the weight killed him, the divorce and partying and taking Norris too light.

I think Ray would train properly and outbox benn.

Don't get me wrong Benn was even in 1990 a good boxer/puncher...he could box as well as punch but it was only around 93-95 when he become the full package....a formidable world champion with much improved stamina and defensive skills.

I still take Ray in 1991

Good points.

I too was surprised at how much Ray had declined.

In '87, he wasn't vintage, but he still had a lot left.

Likewise, in '89, he clearly was not the Sugar Ray of 1981, but he was still fairly formidable, but in '91, he looked like poo.

He looked so bad, like you, I am willing to believe his excuses, but we will never really know.

I based my assumption on how he looked against Norris, but if he was anywhere near to what he was in '89, he should have had enough to squeak past Benn.

[Kalan]

I remember hearing that Sugar Ray Leonard was looking at handpicking Benn as an opponent in 1990/91, but changed his mind after Benn rearranged Barkley's face!

It's just as well Benn did that because if SRL tried to come back against Benn circa 1991, it would have been the most painful night of his career.

That would explain a lot. Benn didn't look brilliant against Dewitt and had gone ten rounds with Amparo and Williams where he seemed to develop a dancing moving style with occasional outbursts of patent violence. Against Barkley he was just a caged animal.

Ray in 1991 still had hand speed but his legs, balance and reflexes were off based on the Norris fight.

Until I read your post I woulda probably still had the view Rays fast hands and movement would be enough to outbox Benn the way he did Duran III,with benn obviously far faster cutting off the ring and much faster hands but thinking about your viewpoint I accept there is a chance Benns crude lunges would surely catch ray early and floor him and he would be overwhelmelmed in a painful 6-7 rounds in the follow up but than I think a shot but still formidable Hearns couldn't do that 18 months earlier............

I still cant get over how poor Ray looked with Norris. I buy Rays excuses that his ankle was bust and it was too late to cancel and the weight killed him, the divorce and partying and taking Norris too light.

I think Ray would train properly and outbox benn.

Don't get me wrong Benn was even in 1990 a good boxer/puncher...he could box as well as punch but it was only around 93-95 when he become the full package....a formidable world champion with much improved stamina and defensive skills.

I still take Ray in 1991

Good points.

I too was surprised at how much Ray had declined.

In '87, he wasn't vintage, but he still had a lot left.

Likewise, in '89, he clearly was not the Sugar Ray of 1981, but he was still fairly formidable, but in '91, he looked like poo.

He looked so bad, like you, I am willing to believe his excuses, but we will never really know.

I based my assumption on how he looked against Norris, but if he was anywhere near to what he was in '89, he should have had enough to squeak past Benn.

Terry Norris was too fast for Sugar Ray Leonard... People have a million and 5 excuses as to why Leonard was completely routed in that fight, and knocked down a couple times... If Leonard thought he could do better in a rematch.. or thought he could do better fighting other guys other than Norris...he wouldn't have retired for 6 years.. I didn't understand his thinking quitting after that fight - because Norris was a good fighter.

Leonard was so famous he could have made tons of money in those 6 years - even if he lost a few.. He would have kept his form up instead of rusting out.. Look how many fights Duran lost. He kept going win or lose -- because he was Duran and the fans kept showing up.. When Leonard finally came back after 6 years I cringed.. Didn't want to watch.. But he needed that fight somehow. He had to get it out of his system.. Like Ali after the Holmes fight. He had to do 1 more fight for reasons only Ali knows.. For about 30 years I would dream that I was making a comeback. I'd be running and sprinting and hitting the bags and the mitts, and pounding sparring partners. Then fight night would come and they'd say "you're on in 5 minutes" I'd wake up right then. I'd rarely get the fight done.

[Counter-puncher]

For about 30 years I would dream that I was making a comeback. I'd be running and sprinting and hitting the bags and the mitts, and pounding sparring partners. Then fight night would come and they'd say "you're on in 5 minutes" I'd wake up right then. I'd rarely get the fight done.

so over a 30 year period you repeatedly signed for fights, only to back out at the last minute? how many times?