Many thousands of years ago, in the Far East (specifically China), to protect/defend small locations from higher numbered invading soldiers of larger locations, the combative martial art of Gung Fu is first developed.
It is explicitly designed for a single practitioner to be able to ward off multiple attackers – with or without weapons (e.g. swords, knives and sticks) against those with or without weapons; hence, the ‘secret’ training and warfare techniques go far beyond those of any one-on-one (present day) combat 'sport' competition (such as MMA/UFC) and is introduced to the modern era western culture by someone who becomes a Gung Fu master and instructor at the unprecedented age of 19 – Lee Jun-fan a.k.a. “Bruce Lee”.
Years later, Lee combines the ancient martial art with ‘western boxing’, wrestling and other ‘tactics’ and calls his new ‘art form’ Jeet Kune Do (JKD). First, however, Lee teaches many friends and eventually opens his first kwoon in Seattle, Washington (named: Jun Fan Gung Fu Institute) and opens his doors to whomever (Chinese and non-Chinese) wants to learn.
Up until that time, it is considered (within the Chinese martial arts community) a form of treason to teach non-Chinese; Lee is threatened by certain members within the Chinese martial arts community to stop teaching non-Chinese or face battle from their top fighter.
Lee is undaunted and states, “I will teach whomever I choose; I do not care what color (i.e. race) they are!”. The challenge is met and Lee defeats the martial arts master via submission. Today, all over the world, martial arts studios and anyone willing to learn owe Bruce Lee much gratitude.
http://www.brucelee.com/about
‘Western boxing’ as Lee refers to the sport that many have grown to love is confined (in the modern era) to hand-to-hand combat techniques and its methods that include blocking, parrying, dodging and foot movements also have ancient roots.
Similar to Gung Fu, ‘western boxing’ is not originally designed merely for sport competition but initially for warfare type combat where the smaller/outnumbered man, with superior training, can have advantages over larger/multiple men.
This general philosophy sustains when the ‘sport’ of boxing is prominently revived in the early 18th century via British bare-knuckle fighter/trainer James Figg.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Figg
For nearly a century, men of all sizes compete against each other and with techniques and training specifically designed to help benefit the smaller man (in height/weight/reach), there is only one ‘weight division’.
Only around the turn of the 19th century are the lightweight/middleweight division(s) opened; many of the specialized training and techniques are eventually either ignored or lost as competition, for smaller sized men, becomes easier.
Today, of course, this has greatly escalated with more than a dozen different ‘weight divisions’.
In the 20th century, the term “pound for pound” is coined and this further suppresses a fighter’s potential (although it may not be intentional, it is the reality) as it is no longer necessary for a fighter to successfully move up in weight class to attain a high degree of acclaim (e.g. Monzon and Hagler).
In between all of these historic occurrences, the London Prize Ring Rules (that succeed Broughton’s Rules) are eventually replaced by the Marquess of Queensberry Rules.
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/1743.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Prize_Ring_Rules
The bottom line, folks, is that ‘pound for pound’ is a fantasy term – either a fighter has the ability to successfully compete in a higher weight division(s) or not; it is simply not reality and to be able to understand reality, one must first recognize what is fantasy.
‘If I can get close enough,’ he [Bob Fitzsimmons] once said, ‘I'll guarantee to stop almost anybody. The bigger the man, the heavier the fall.’ [1902 National Police Gazette 27 Sept. 6]
“To tell you the truth, I can beat any man in the world!” – Bruce Lee (birth name: Lee Jun-fan)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KfUSBTtsFA
Believed to be a powerful sign, Lee, according to the Chinese zodiac, is born in BOTH the year and the hour of the Dragon (11/27/1940 between 6 a.m. and 8 a.m.; San Francisco, CA, USA).
FILM fight scenes of:
Smaller man vs. bigger man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ60YrIR2xQ
Smaller man vs. multiple men (with and without weapons):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKIFlaV0 ... re=related
These are just examples to give some insights into such matchups and for this account, it does not matter if the fight scenes are scripted (for anyone may look like a million dollars in a fight video) – whether it is real or not.
“Sugar” Ray Leonard talks about Bruce Lee:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Z-tTzYTG0
Countless people still ask whether Bruce Lee’s abilities are as real as they appear on film.
(Ever wonder why no one asks those questions about Sylvester Stallone a.k.a. ‘John Rambo’ and ‘Rocky Balboa’?)
Many questions contain the answers – such as, “Is there really a GOD (i.e. a CREATOR)?”
The fact that one asks those questions should provide the answers.
(Do not assume to know in what direction I am going, with the above statements – it will be revealed later).
“A wise man’s question contains half the answer.” - Solomon Ibn Gabirol (Jewish philosopher; 1021-1058/1059)
P.S.
Just pointing out historical facts – nothing personal against ‘pound-for-pound’ fans/practitioners.
Also, once the full body of my work is released (hopefully, within the next few weeks), there is no major documented boxer in gloved history that will any longer be a ‘mystery’ (i.e. their actual ability level at their peak) – such as:
Bill Farnan
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/BillFarnan.htm
Canadian George Godfrey
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/g ... george.htm
Charles Hadley
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/hadley-c.htm
Frank Slavin
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/fpslavin.htm
Harry Laing
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/laing-harry.htm
Joe Butler
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/butler-j.htm
Ed Binney
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/binney-e.htm
Lonnie Bradley
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Human:4821
Bruno Arcari
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/arcari-bruno.htm
P.P.S.
Remember, my work is about much more than just boxing/sports; hence, I need to be careful about when it is released (you will, hopefully, understand once you see the full complexity and diversity of the work)......
History of Combat
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kal.majeed
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History of Combat
Last edited by kal.majeed on 10 Nov 2012, 12:23, edited 2 times in total.
Re: History of Combat
........darn....he's beat me to it by a week, 
Re: History of Combat
...come on, guys.....okay i suppose it's only fair to wait till we read this guy's full "report" before we comment on it....but just from what he's written here shows he's either a con man or he's nuts. one tip off is his referring to bruce lee's zodiac. nut stuff. and then he says there will no longer be any doubt about how to judge a fighter's worth.
i'll leave it at this for the time being - if archie moore and carlos monzon don't come in right at the top, box buzz is going to take this guy's "research" apart.
now, if i am totally misreading what this boojy boojy stuff says, it's not my dumbness....it's his coo coo writing.
i'll leave it at this for the time being - if archie moore and carlos monzon don't come in right at the top, box buzz is going to take this guy's "research" apart.
now, if i am totally misreading what this boojy boojy stuff says, it's not my dumbness....it's his coo coo writing.
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kal.majeed
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Re: History of Combat
Yes, it will be nice for folks to wait until my FREE website is complete and I am ready to release my data.
Virtually everything I have written (above) is either directly or indirectly referenced (just stating basic historic information).
A "con man" does not give away anything for FREE (if you think I'm "nuts" or my writing is "coo coo" - I'm in fairly good company as this was said about many folks who go on to make history).....
P.S.
Remember, it is NOT a pound-for-pound analysis; hence, Moore and Monzon will not necessarily be "at the top".
Virtually everything I have written (above) is either directly or indirectly referenced (just stating basic historic information).
A "con man" does not give away anything for FREE (if you think I'm "nuts" or my writing is "coo coo" - I'm in fairly good company as this was said about many folks who go on to make history).....
P.S.
Remember, it is NOT a pound-for-pound analysis; hence, Moore and Monzon will not necessarily be "at the top".
Re: History of Combat
Jaclem I don't appreciate your high and mighty swipes.
Difference between Monzon and Moore? .....Easy, Monzon woulda "figured Ezz out" end of story.
And if Ezz as a LH and Monzon would have been fighting in the same era? Ha! Carlos would not have had to change anything about his own style.
He simply would have remained a MW, and not wandered into the LHW division. Just like he did in real time.
Now if Ezz would have wandered down to the MW's, ? lol, well poor Ezz would have fallen over on his own due to lack of nutrition....Monzon would have ate his lunch. Which of course becomes a vicious circle.
Difference between Monzon and Moore? .....Easy, Monzon woulda "figured Ezz out" end of story.
And if Ezz as a LH and Monzon would have been fighting in the same era? Ha! Carlos would not have had to change anything about his own style.
He simply would have remained a MW, and not wandered into the LHW division. Just like he did in real time.
Now if Ezz would have wandered down to the MW's, ? lol, well poor Ezz would have fallen over on his own due to lack of nutrition....Monzon would have ate his lunch. Which of course becomes a vicious circle.
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kal.majeed
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Re: History of Combat
Just for the record, I am not making a single dime, nickel or even a penny off of this work.
Life threw me (as many others) lemons (i.e. much time on my hands) but instead of sitting around and crying about it, I made lemonade.
I will not have any advertisements on my site; I do have (at the bottom of each page) a couple of links to businesses – that are owned/operated by my cousins/uncle; I have asked for and received nothing from this (just trying to help them out).
While trying to finish working on the site, I must (at the same time) figure out a means for future income; hence, there is really no financial incentive for me to release my work at all (to anyone) but I eventually will (and for FREE) for if only one person benefits, it will be worthwhile.
There are only two people in this world that I feel that I owe anything to – my parents; they have been there through all my personal and professional setbacks and failures; they both have seen my work and are proud and impressed with it (that’s all that really matters to me at this point).
Awards, accolades and honors (of any kind) – I hope for but realistically (for many reasons), I do not expect.
The basic information (from science to sport) is rather simple and straightforward and if someone is sincerely trying to understand it, they will easily (once certain details are learned) comprehend and perhaps appreciate it.
The earliest that the site (that is currently under a ‘lock’) will be opened is on November 1st, 2012 and the latest will be on December 1st, 2012.
UPDATE:
A new article will be posted as a “prep” for the main work with a link to the site on the bottom of the post; a day following the election (November 7th) will, hopefully, be enough time to complete the article and do a final series of proofreading.
UPDATE II:
We (dad and I) are finding far too many (ridiculous and embarrassing grammatical errors) within the primary texts (from science to sport) and will need at least another week to do another series of proofreading.
The "prep" article is complete and I may post it later in the week but the link (for the site) will still be under a "lock".
Life threw me (as many others) lemons (i.e. much time on my hands) but instead of sitting around and crying about it, I made lemonade.
I will not have any advertisements on my site; I do have (at the bottom of each page) a couple of links to businesses – that are owned/operated by my cousins/uncle; I have asked for and received nothing from this (just trying to help them out).
While trying to finish working on the site, I must (at the same time) figure out a means for future income; hence, there is really no financial incentive for me to release my work at all (to anyone) but I eventually will (and for FREE) for if only one person benefits, it will be worthwhile.
There are only two people in this world that I feel that I owe anything to – my parents; they have been there through all my personal and professional setbacks and failures; they both have seen my work and are proud and impressed with it (that’s all that really matters to me at this point).
Awards, accolades and honors (of any kind) – I hope for but realistically (for many reasons), I do not expect.
The basic information (from science to sport) is rather simple and straightforward and if someone is sincerely trying to understand it, they will easily (once certain details are learned) comprehend and perhaps appreciate it.
The earliest that the site (that is currently under a ‘lock’) will be opened is on November 1st, 2012 and the latest will be on December 1st, 2012.
UPDATE:
A new article will be posted as a “prep” for the main work with a link to the site on the bottom of the post; a day following the election (November 7th) will, hopefully, be enough time to complete the article and do a final series of proofreading.
UPDATE II:
We (dad and I) are finding far too many (ridiculous and embarrassing grammatical errors) within the primary texts (from science to sport) and will need at least another week to do another series of proofreading.
The "prep" article is complete and I may post it later in the week but the link (for the site) will still be under a "lock".
Re: History of Combat
Ok, time's up... now we want to know!kal.majeed wrote:Just for the record, I am not making a single dime, nickel or even a penny off of this work.
Life threw me (as many others) lemons (i.e. much time on my hands) but instead of sitting around and crying about it, I made lemonade.
I will not have any advertisements on my site; I do have (at the bottom of each page) a couple of links to businesses – that are owned/operated by my cousins/uncle; I have asked for and received nothing from this (just trying to help them out).
While trying to finish working on the site, I must (at the same time) figure out a means for future income; hence, there is really no financial incentive for me to release my work at all (to anyone) but I eventually will (and for FREE) for if only one person benefits, it will be worthwhile.
There are only two people in this world that I feel that I owe anything to – my parents; they have been there through all my personal and professional setbacks and failures; they both have seen my work and are proud and impressed with it (that’s all that really matters to me at this point).
Awards, accolades and honors (of any kind) – I hope for but realistically (for many reasons), I do not expect.
The basic information (from science to sport) is rather simple and straightforward and if someone is sincerely trying to understand it, they will easily (once certain details are learned) comprehend and perhaps appreciate it.
The earliest that the site (that is currently under a ‘lock’) will be opened is on November 1st, 2012 and the latest will be on December 1st, 2012.
UPDATE:
A new article will be posted as a “prep” for the main work with a link to the site on the bottom of the post; a day following the election (November 7th) will, hopefully, be enough time to complete the article and do a final series of proofreading.
UPDATE II:
We (dad and I) are finding far too many (ridiculous and embarrassing grammatical errors) within the primary texts (from science to sport) and will need at least another week to do another series of proofreading.
The "prep" article is complete and I may post it later in the week but the link (for the site) will still be under a "lock".
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HomicideHenry
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Re: History of Combat
A good small man will beat a good big man. History supports skills are just that skills, and it comes down to desire and conditioning. I can name more giant killers than I can the other. HOWEVER, in Figg's time, you were an all around martial artist, not just a boxer. It has been chronicled many times that when Figg fought it were three round contests (no limit to each round) and each round was a different discipline: Boxing, Wrestling, Quarterstaffs. Figg was unbeaten for twenty years plus, because of his skills in all three (he was also a masterful fencer). Imagine the UFC today doing rounds like that: Round One (Boxing), Round Two (Juijitsu), Round Three (Maui Thai), Round Four (Freestyle Wrestling), Round Five (Mixed Martial Arts), I cant see that many men today being able to compete at a high level doing all of that and having the strength and cardio to pull it off.