Danny Lopez vs Princ Naseem Hamed

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 22 Aug 2005, 18:48

Both have explosive one punch KO power, and this would defintely be a slugfest. lopez didnt have much defense, but hameds defense wasnt anything special, especially when he clowned around he could be tagged.

I say Danny Lopez KO 3

dws · Post by **dws** » 22 Aug 2005, 19:42

Lopez certainly didn't have a defense or a great chin plus he cut.He was,however,tall for a featherweight and had a good jab,two things that could be useful against the 5'3" Hamed.He would also be the biggest puncher Hamed ever faced.On paper I'd pick Naz but I'd be praying for Little Red to knock him into next week.

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 23 Aug 2005, 02:08

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Both have explosive one punch KO power, and this would defintely be a slugfest. lopez didnt have much defense, but hameds defense wasnt anything special, especially when he clowned around he could be tagged.

I say Danny Lopez KO 3

Finally we agree on something!!! Except i'd say it'd take a little longer.

See now you got me wondering what Sanchez would have done to Hamed.. damnit.. where's Jaybee's time machine?! :)

tiredoldngrey · Post by **tiredoldngrey** » 23 Aug 2005, 02:14

Lopez would either keep Hamed at the end of that long right hand, in which case he would knock him out. Or Hamed would floor him in an early round at which point Lopez would get up and not only knock him out, but maybe damage him. If there were a record kept as to which fighter scored a knockdown on the first punch after getting up from a knockdown, Lopez is way up there. Another fact to keep in mind: Lopez is often judged by his last three or four fights, which were all televised and for which is was very near the top of, if not already over, the proverbial hill. He was not an immobile palooka; were he fighting today he would be considered an anomaly for how well he got aroubnd while punching hard. His legs were a major part of his defense- he was not slipping/parrying/ducking etc... wizard so when he quit moving he got hit much more and he got hit good anyway.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 23 Aug 2005, 04:30

This would be a classic. Hamed never got stopped despite being dropped. I think there'd be quite a pace set with both men scoring KDs. I give the edge in power to Hamed but I think the stoppage here would come because of fatigue and Hamed often didn't look as strong as the rounds went by and I'm not sure he could last at the kind of pace that Lopez would set.

Still it would be a great match up and hoefully there'd be a rematch.

AS for sanchez-Hamed.... Well I've seen 5 of Sanchez's fights and I say he destroys Hamed

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 23 Aug 2005, 06:01

At his peak, and not many Americans saw that, ( he'd already badly slipped by the time he met Kelly ) Naz was near impossible to hit. He pretty much stopped training after winning the title, didn't listen to anyone,and had way too much confirdence for his own good.

So at his peak, I say he'd have nailed Danny pretty good - Lopez had a great chin and was obviously dangerous as hell, but I reckon Nas picks him apart, floors him a few times and stops him late on. Course if Lopez landed one of those bombs Nas would've been in for a shock, but don't forget he had a very good chin too.

Nas TKO 10.

As for Sanchez - forget it. The Mexican was just too good for just about anyone.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 23 Aug 2005, 06:20

MW

Out of interest are you int he know about Hamed's lack of training or is it an observation? I agree that he just levelled off after winning the title and didn't seem to improve but just relied more and more on his power.

Do you think he could have become an all-time great if eh'd have stuck to his boxing?

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 23 Aug 2005, 07:19

Just an observation Ezzard, though there were plenty of rumours flying around at the time about the lack of respect Naz showed Ingle once he hit his peak - he'd sleep all day then turn up at the gym for a short sparring session at 3am, and maybe a game of pool - didn't bother running etc. The book Paddy and the prince covers a lot of it.
By the time he turned up in NY he was barely even speaking to Ingle, which just about says it all....

Watching his fights at super bantam, he was an absolute sensation. Standing right in front of some serious hombres looking to do damage, he'd just move his chin a few inches as the punches sailed past him, then explode with the type of shots that could knock over a wall.

I think the type of confidence he had made him into the world's first million dollar featherweight, but also lead to his downfall. So I think his peak was always going to be pretty short, and I guess any ambitions to be an all time great went right out the window along with it.

Amazing reflexes will only take you so far.

He gets a lot of critsism on there boards, but he had a hell of a lot going for him: great chin ( and yes, poor balance ), huge heart, terrific power in either hand, speed and a true killer insinct.

One of the most exciting featherweights we've ever seen - reminds me of the days of Danny Lopez in fact

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 23 Aug 2005, 08:37

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Both have explosive one punch KO power, and this would defintely be a slugfest. lopez didnt have much defense, but hameds defense wasnt anything special, especially when he clowned around he could be tagged.

I say Danny Lopez KO 3

Where do people get this idea that Naz had explosive KO power. Maybe it seemed like it when he was knocking out 'bums' and journeymen. If it was so explosive, how come McCullough went the distance and also said he'd been hit a lot harder by other opponents??. Barerra hadn't got an Iron like chin and Naz couldn't even wobble him. I think it's all just media hype with Naz......

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 23 Aug 2005, 09:00

MightyWarrior wrote:Just an observation Ezzard, though there were plenty of rumours flying around at the time about the lack of respect Naz showed Ingle once he hit his peak - he'd sleep all day then turn up at the gym for a short sparring session at 3am, and maybe a game of pool - didn't bother running etc. The book Paddy and the prince covers a lot of it.
By the time he turned up in NY he was barely even speaking to Ingle, which just about says it all....

Watching his fights at super bantam, he was an absolute sensation. Standing right in front of some serious hombres looking to do damage, he'd just move his chin a few inches as the punches sailed past him, then explode with the type of shots that could knock over a wall.

I think the type of confidence he had made him into the world's first million dollar featherweight, but also lead to his downfall. So I think his peak was always going to be pretty short, and I guess any ambitions to be an all time great went right out the window along with it.

Amazing reflexes will only take you so far.

He gets a lot of critsism on there boards, but he had a hell of a lot going for him: great chin ( and yes, poor balance ), huge heart, terrific power in either hand, speed and a true killer insinct.

One of the most exciting featherweights we've ever seen - reminds me of the days of Danny Lopez in fact

many thanks for the reply

I remember coming back from Japan where I'd been living for 2 years and my mate saying, "There's this new kid called Naz, you've got to watch him." On first viewing he looked like Graham but with punching power. He really looked like a sure thing.

I had a lot of respect for Robinson but Hamed just took his title away and looked like a major fighter. He seemed like a serious man who complied with his religion so there was no chance of him partying his talents away.

That night against Barerra he looked nervous going into the ring. All that hype before getting into the ring suddenly seemed to catch up with him. What really disappointed me was the way in which he didn't go for it. He didn't try and open up when he was obviously going to lose. He didn't go out on his shield so to speak. I expected him to pour it on in the last few rounds but he just went with a whimper.

I saw the docu on TV which showed him in Vegas with his brother and Emmanuel Steward. It seems to me that getting your family involved is always a sure way to blow things. I seem to remember McGuigan's brother having an adverse effect on his career.

It's a shame that British fighters seem to be unable to put together long or impressive reigns even when they have the talent. They seem to either cling to WBO titles and their 2nd rate contenders else they lose to the first hungry fighter they face. Guys like Benn and Collins had their limitations but at least they were always willing to fight the best and were always honest enough in the ring.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 23 Aug 2005, 10:05

walshb wrote: Where do people get this idea that Naz had explosive KO power. Maybe it seemed like it when he was knocking out 'bums' and journeymen. If it was so explosive, how come McCullough went the distance and also said he'd been hit a lot harder by other opponents??. Barerra hadn't got an Iron like chin and Naz couldn't even wobble him. I think it's all just media hype with Naz......

Don't know how you could have failed to miss it - he knocked down, or out, pretty much any fighter put in front of him - including rival champs who'd never been stopped before.

And nobody knocks out Wayne McCullough.

As for Barrera - well, he obviously never landed a decent punch. Even when Barrera had Naz well beaten, the Mexican never went in for the kill, and with good reason.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 23 Aug 2005, 10:41

I have seen so many of both of these guys fights, what an interesting matchup. I always look to the losses not the wins when I make my decisions. I'm not good at articulating fight action so I won't try.

But Lopez's loss to Sanchez was undedrstandable and so is Hamed's loss to Barrera. What is more suspect to me was Lopez's loss to Octavio Gomez. I saw both of the Gomez fights and though Lopez solved the riddle and more than evened the score in their rematch, most of us felt we were witnessing a car crash that night Octavio beat Lopez. Lopez was in his prime at the time.

If anyone remembers that fight I thought it was similar to the Juarez-Soto fight in many ways.

Either of these guys could take the other out no doubt but I think Hamed might have been able to pull this off if just barely and probably look clumsy doing it.

I hate saying that because I always was a Lopez fan.

ELA · Post by **ELA** » 26 Aug 2005, 00:32

The Prince early and quick....................

Little Red could not deal with the power and angles.................

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 26 Aug 2005, 02:47

Ezzard wrote:This would be a classic. Hamed never got stopped despite being dropped. I think there'd be quite a pace set with both men scoring KDs. I give the edge in power to Hamed but I think the stoppage here would come because of fatigue and Hamed often didn't look as strong as the rounds went by and I'm not sure he could last at the kind of pace that Lopez would set.

Still it would be a great match up and hoefully there'd be a rematch.

AS for sanchez-Hamed.... Well I've seen 5 of Sanchez's fights and I say he destroys Hamed

Yeah there's no doubt in my mind, but I just want to see how badly he destroys Hamed.

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 26 Aug 2005, 02:50

MightyWarrior wrote:At his peak, and not many Americans saw that, ( he'd already badly slipped by the time he met Kelly ) Naz was near impossible to hit. He pretty much stopped training after winning the title, didn't listen to anyone,and had way too much confirdence for his own good.

So at his peak, I say he'd have nailed Danny pretty good - Lopez had a great chin and was obviously dangerous as hell, but I reckon Nas picks him apart, floors him a few times and stops him late on. Course if Lopez landed one of those bombs Nas would've been in for a shock, but don't forget he had a very good chin too.

Nas TKO 10.

As for Sanchez - forget it. The Mexican was just too good for just about anyone.

Naz was hittable he just fought old champs and shot boxers.. no real threat. Finally when he fought a champ everyone thought was not a threat (except for Mexican's like me) he got a boxing lesson. That fight showed how hittable he was. Maybe it wouldn't end in KO but i'm sure Lopez wins by unanimous decision knocking Hamed down a few times because of his unorthodox style. I'd just like to see how bad Sanchez destroys Hamed. That's why I brought it up. Sanchez in my own opinion was the greatest boxer to come out of Mexico...

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 05 Sep 2005, 10:27

That would also be telling of the fighters Naz fought. I like Wayne McCollugh, but he fought a stupid fight by following Naz around the ring. And as for Naz being "unhittable" not a lot of fighters went to his body. Barrera did. But that shows the discipline of Barrera and lack of adjusting on the part of the other fighters. Kill the body and the head will die.

BROZO · Post by **BROZO** » 05 Sep 2005, 13:08

many fighters look like world beaters when they are fighting nobodies that are hand picked and made to order as well as overthehill fighters, its part of padding their records which is exactly what Hammed did.

I saw little red many times at the sports arena and local venues around the LA area and he was a much better fighter, tho it could have also been as mentioned before because of the quality of opposition. But from what I say it would have been Little red Within 6 rounds. and there is no way that Hammed was a harder puncher than Lopez.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 05 Sep 2005, 15:06

Lopez was floorable but he had exceptional recupertive powers and was never actually counted out during his career and he was a better boxer than he's often given credit for.... anyway, I'd say Lopez would ko Hamed in about 3 rounds... he would be totally overpowered.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 30 Sep 2005, 15:37

Well if he was gutless it would go without saying that he would be heartless. And yet you say it anyway.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 30 Sep 2005, 15:42

I wouldn't say naz was 'gutless or heartless'.... it takes guts to just step into the ring, something which I doubt you have ever done Rubio.

dalek · Post by **dalek** » 30 Sep 2005, 16:30

when was naz ko'd?he too recovered well from being hurt.

tiredoldngrey · Post by **tiredoldngrey** » 30 Sep 2005, 16:38

If somebody bothered to keep track of such things there would be a statistic for fighters that get knocked down then get up and with the very next punch floor their opponent for a ten count. I would bet that Little Red would be the far and away leadrer in that category.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 01 Oct 2005, 06:44

dalek wrote:when was naz ko'd?he too recovered well from being hurt.

The fact that Naz was nearly koed by a faded Kelley proves he's be very unlikely not to be koed by the likes of Sanchez, Gomez etc. Infact had he fought the Kevin Kelley of a few years earlier he would have been koed imo.

barry · Post by **barry** » 01 Oct 2005, 07:04

Hamed had a good chin, but he was never hit by someone with the punch of Lopez. I'd choose Lopez by knockout, but it would be a toss-up as to who landed first. Both fighters could be hit, so it would be a very exciting contest for as long as it lasted.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 01 Oct 2005, 17:42

I think Lopez had superior recovery powers to Hamed... I havent seen many fighters with such good recupertive powers as Lopez.

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