In 20 years time who will be remembered more?

[this bloke]

vic easy, hes the only one imo, if we are talking great worldwide

kats and dib, very slim chances if they go on to do alot more. kats because of hes style and wars hes been in and maybe still will be in.
dib, because hes so young and talented, also hes in and around a couple of stacked divisions namewise.
would take a shitload of improvement on hes behalf though

[Brute]

See i know who frank hyde is, but i dont know the other blokes.

My point for the thread is there are a bunch of fighters that were good but were never champ or never reached international status, with some of the fighters listed they have never won titles but have achieved at least respect from an international Audience, while some have won titles, but aren't known outside of Aus. Some have another 5 to 10 years to go, while some have maybe a fight to 2 years to go.

George Barnes was Empire Welterweight Champion in the 1950s. Gary Cowburn took the Australian Welterweight title off him in the early 60s and lost it to Sid Prior. If you do not know the good Aussie fighters of my youth it is not my problem.

[Hounddawg]

See i do know the Great,not good, Aussie fighters of your youth, look at the first post and the names listed.

Which is why i started this thread Brute, in 20/30 years time from now, will i post something similar to what you did with the names above, and then have someone 30 to 40 years my junior, pop up and say.. What,who!!!
It's interesting to hear peoples thoughts.

[Marlin]

Geale will be more remembered than Fenech or Tsyzu!

Yeah, that's right.

Now remember, it's the yellow pill in the morning, the blue pill at lunchtime and no pill after dinner.

[dberry]

Probably Vic Darchinian. Undisputed champion in two weight divisions is pretty hard to top.

Twenty years is not long. They will probably all be remembered by people who follow boxing. I can still remember George Barnes and Gary Cowburn fighting for the Australian welterweight title, hearing Frank Hyde on 2SM saying about Barnes "Stop the fight, he can't win this."

(Frank was a good judge, the fight was stopped just after he said it).

Oh, I see, Vic did fight and beat Wonjonkam at flyweight? I must of missed it. Granted he did fight and beat weight favourite Mijares,he must avenge the losses to Donaire and Agbeko to claim #1 Super Flyweight status. Undisputed Brute? I dispute this.

[Brute]

Probably Vic Darchinian. Undisputed champion in two weight divisions is pretty hard to top.

Twenty years is not long. They will probably all be remembered by people who follow boxing. I can still remember George Barnes and Gary Cowburn fighting for the Australian welterweight title, hearing Frank Hyde on 2SM saying about Barnes "Stop the fight, he can't win this."

(Frank was a good judge, the fight was stopped just after he said it).

Oh, I see, Vic did fight and beat Wonjonkam at flyweight? I must of missed it. Granted he did fight and beat weight favourite Mijares,he must avenge the losses to Donaire and Agbeko to claim #1 Super Flyweight status. Undisputed Brute? I dispute this.

Vic is WBA, WBC and IBF Champion. What else is there?

Last year Wonjonkam fought three men who had never fought before after one with two losses and no wins. That's your great boxer? Did he ever challenge Vic? didn't he lose his WBC title to Naiko in 2005 and not regain it for years? How often has he fought outside of Thailand except for Japan?

Agbeko was IBF bantamweight champion when Vic fought him. He lost his title to Yohnny Perez in his next fight. What does he have to do with Super Flyweight?

[buster007]

anyone want to change their vote?

[Beltane]

Well 3 would miss the boat now:

- Bika, he has been basically inactive after showing all that promise on The Contender series. A talent wasted.

- Meehan, again too many long inactive periods, then that old devil "time" caught up with him.

- Mundine, a battleship mouth but with row-boat bouts on his resume. Can only be summed up as one who sinned against his talent!

[Hounddawg]

The 3 that have disappointed me the most on that list.

Bika; what the hell happened after the contender?
Meehan; He had that 1 great fight, the rest is just blah, so happy to forget in years to come.
Mundine; will remembered but not for what he thinks, 1 of the greatest waste of talents i've ever witnessed.

Geale is topping that list for me, Green second, Katsidis third, and we'll see about the rest.

[patron]

richards ,henneberry,carroll ,patrick, sands, burns curruthers, bennett, sinn, barnes, rose, famechon, thompson, are just a few fighters that know that fought and beat world rated fighters that went on to win World Titles that meant something in those days, one title one champ, and they didn,t mind jumping up a division,last 20yrs, Kostya for mine, Brute wouldn,t you agree that this man has stood the test of time LES DARCY, all the best

[Brute]

Darcy's career ended nearly a century ago and people still talk about him.

Les has stood the test of time in spades.

[Like a Boss]

It will depend largely on what Geale can add to what he has done so far. He will be well remembered if he can ko Mundine, add a title or two more and perhaps beat a very big name.

[Beltane]

Daniel will surely be remembered in 20 years time and for much longer thereafter.

Now here's one who is barely a memory now and will be considered one of the dopes of Australian boxing: John Hopoate. Hoppa fought and lost his first Combat 8 cage fight in Newcastle last week, when he was stopped in the first round. Guess what, there was a crowd disturbance, too, when Hoppa clashed with fans and was booed out of the arena.

[Brute]

Most people who saw him fight will always remember Hector Thompson. Hector never won a World title but fought two all time greats, Roberto Duran and Antonio Cervantes for their titles, as well as beating former World Lightweight Champion Hector Frazier.

[Like a Boss]

Most people who saw him fight will always remember Hector Thompson. Hector never won a World title but fought two all time greats, Roberto Duran and Antonio Cervantes for their titles, as well as beating former World Lightweight Champion Hector Frazier.

Thompson and some other Oz fighters of his era who didn't win world titles would have won a closet full in the current era.

[Brute]

Duran and Cervantes were real champions. There was not the shitload of "World Champion" belts that you have now.

[dberry]

anyone want to change their vote?

Great to revisit this thread a quarter of a decade on. Kats has been quiet but has left enough for people to remember him by, Kali has quietly disappeared, Vic has failed to reinforce his place on the world stage, Geale has come to the fore with two big title wins overseas against the champions and Greene has backed up the RJJ fight by bringing over two more big names in Tarver and Vlod, losing to both spectacularly. Sam Soloman has proven 'Age does Not Weary Them' by regaining #1 spot, Sakio Bika looks like a talent wasted, Billy Dib is yet to do anything special and Mundine has been shown up for what he is. Keen to revisit this in a few years.

[Brute]

Billy Dib winning a world title and defending it twice is "nothing special"? What do you want?

[dberry]

Sorry, thought he'd won the title then, he's yet to fight someone big though.

[dberry]

Still, a good achievement none the less.

[buster007]

Vic has failed to reinforce his place on the world stage?

he kicked ass in near 20 world title fights. he is not a robot.

[Sids]

If Geale can get a second win over Sturm then he would be a legend.

[Like a Boss]

If Geale can get a second win over Sturm then he would be a legend.

With Geale likely to beat Mundine and Sturm likely to beat Soliman. It looks like a second Geale v Sturm fight is on the cards. I reckon Geale can repeat the dose too

[thunderfromdownunder]

Darchinyan and Geale. Maybe Dib and Katsidis

[DA GOOSE]

Danny Green. For the Paul Briggs disgrace unfortunately. But hopefully Geale can kick on and re-unify and maybe catch Martinez at the right time.